Bush Offers Migrant Plan Conservatives Can Support

Arizona Republic ^ | January 18, 2004 | Jeff Flake

[lchoro]

The Social Security Administration already sends out 'no match' letters to employers. It doesn't seem to be helping. In the article, an employer (Blyth) received letters for almost 40% of her workforce. She didn't seem to sweat the fact that she ended up firing almost a third of her company. It must be really easy to go out on the street and just hire the replacements, either direct or through a subcontractor (to provide safe harbor for Blyth from employment laws).

http://www.forourgrandchildren.org/site/DocServer/Wrong_Numbers_Social_Security_Doesn_t_Match_Up.pdf?docID=941

[BibChr]

Especially after we hear endless sob stories from the media and democrats....

You say that like they are two distinguishable things.

Dan
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[ATOMIC_PUNK]

We pass and repeal laws all the time

But first you have to enforce it to see if it works when was it enforced ? when was the last time there was a mass deportation of mexicans that were breaking the law ? what the sense of having the law if your going to repeal it AFTER its broken ?

There isnt any

[Pubbie]

"I guess Tantrum Tom's method of political irrelevancy (how many of his immigration initiatives have gone beyond conception? Answer: None) is better to you."

Tancredo doesn't have to pass his any of his bills - all I want him to do is to help stop Rove from making the Illegal Immigration situation any worse than it already is.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

I don't like the plan not for the amnesty, but because it would expand the H1-B program which has already made work very difficult to find.

The H1-b program is a huge scam perpetrated against tech workers by our own federal government, and you are right what Bush is proposing is to vastly expand it to include nearly every industry in the country.

If the Republican House goes along with such a scheme they will be thrown out of office when that fact starts hitting home with most Americans.

[nopardons]

My POINT, is, for those who need simple, clear remarks explained to them, that a FR poll on just about anything, doesn't reflect what the general populace of the USA believes, nor is it something valid, to use as refutation to someone else's post.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Especially after we hear endless sob stories from the media and democrats....

You say that like they are two distinguishable things.

No they're definitely one in the same... they love spending other people's money.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

It is the Congress you must watch like a hawk!

Regarding the links you posted: it's like Congress is addicted to rewarding lawbreakers when it's making the problem worse. Another reason we have to say no to this new one they want otherwise they'll never stop with it.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Yes - 21%

No - 67%

Undecided - 11%

Those poll numbers are typical of how people feel about the plan nationwide. There is little support for it.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Wait a second .... that's my metaphor!

If Flake is reading FR I hope he came to this thread. He can see for himself there's little support for his so-called conservative "plan".

[Reaganwuzthebest]

He's a Flake, he must think conservatives are also.

Either that or sheep who can be led around by the nose.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

I am not even going to bother to read what this amnesty-cheerleadering journo has to say.

Get ready, after the SOTU speech they'll be a lot more of them.

[lewislynn]

My POINT, is, for those who need simple, clear remarks explained to them, that a FR poll on just about anything, doesn't reflect what the general populace of the USA believes

Who said it did, and so what?...That would be one of those less than nothing posts, opinions and "POINTS" frankly, I was referring to.

I understand your frustration trying to defend idiocy but that's YOUR's and the Bush administration's problem.

nopardons?...sounds like your full of pardons to me.

[HennepinPrisoner]

Get ready, after the SOTU speech they'll be a lot more of them.

At least I can keep my food down when I read these propaganda articles from 'tear down the borders' journos....it's expected.

But I lose my lunch when so-called FR 'conservatives' start jumping up and down and yell cheers and praise for Bush's amnesty plan.

Tomorrow night I'll have to be sure to have a garbage pail next to my computer if I decide to post on FR.

[nopardons]

Oh, get off your high horse and stop the projecting. :-)

The person, to whom I was replying, was using the FR poll as validation for his/her poswitions.......in FRUSTRATION. It was I, who was laughing heartily at the insipidness of that. LOL

[Reaganwuzthebest]

What a lie. Flake is a sell out on immigration and has been so for a long time. Must be those huge agribiz campaign contributions.

Flake's doing the same thing Senator Larry Craig from Idaho is, helping the ag business. You think they would work to increase mechanization instead of importing a whole new slave labor class for everyone to take care of.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Tomorrow night I'll have to be sure to have a garbage pail next to my computer if I decide to post on FR

This coming speech I won't be bothering with. TV is meant to be relaxing and entertaining for me, not something that makes me angry. I'm sure there will be plenty of threads here talking about his amnesty plan.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Of course you don't expect Tancredo to write any bills worth the paper they're written on, let alone pass them, even his supporters see through him, his job security is dependent on the immigration issue remaining unsolved.

We can continue this debate when you figure out the President's name.

[Pubbie]

It will take a different President than Bush to fix the Illegal Immigration problem - in the meantime, I think the House Conservatives can keep Rove from making the situation any worse than it already is.

Rove isn't going to be in the WH forever.

[dennisw]

Acutally I disagree here, you could provide it for free. Just provide instant checks on Social Security numbers. All you need is web page and a database.

Uh huh. People are catching on to the real way to have employers verify legal workers, or suffer fines and penalties. Just have them verify on line via a Social Security Administration database of REAL SS numbers. INS has to catch up with the internet revolution!

As of now the Social Security Administration does not share information with the INS. This must change. This is hardly genius work to set up an on line database of all 250 million SS numbers