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Ralph Peters snookered by bill clinton
New York Post ^ | 1.23.04 | Mia T

Posted on 01/23/2004 7:13:36 AM PST by Mia T

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:19:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

I NEVER thought I'd give Bill Clinton a standing ovation. But last week in Qatar I did just that.

Mistaking form for substance, Peters allowed clinton's apparent "perfect pitch" and "precise target[ing]" to " Muslim intellectuals and officials" trump critical thinking. The clinton pitch, hardly perfect, was (as it always is) precisely... and much too obviously... targeted to the clinton hagiographer.


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1 posted on 01/23/2004 7:13:45 AM PST by Mia T
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To: WorkingClassFilth; jla; Gail Wynand; Brian Allen; Lonesome in Massachussets; thesummerwind; ...
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3 posted on 01/23/2004 7:28:24 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
Ralph Peters got snookered allright. Must have been the heady atmosphere of the conference with so many grand pooh bahs in circulation.


How can I have any respect for this Clinton creature who sold us out to communist China? My taxdollars paid for all the military secrets he handed over to the ChiComs.
4 posted on 01/23/2004 7:56:49 AM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: Mia T
bttt
5 posted on 01/23/2004 8:08:17 AM PST by bmwcyle (Monica's Mom "Trust but keep verification in the closet")
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To: Mia T
I'm still reeling from yesterday's post (1-22-04) about Clintoon in the very last days of his presidency signing away Americans constitutional rights. And Hitlery can't say that she didn't know about it either. See below:

Hate to say 'I told you so ...'



Posted: January 22, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


The United States has "unsigned' the 1998 Rome Treaty that would put America under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court treaty that Bill Clinton signed on Dec. 31, 2000.

The Bush administration took the unprecedented step of "unsigning" an international treaty because, well, simply put, it doesn't trust the international community. Dubbed the "Rome Treaty," it puts signatory nations under the jurisdiction of the International Court at the Hague, grants ICC prosecutors extraordinary powers and grants ICC officials lifetime immunity.

The Rome Treaty would give the ICC the right to review U.S. court decisions and re-try individuals if the ICC determines decisions "were not conducted independently or impartially," or were for the purpose of "shielding the person concerned from criminal responsibility."

The ICC also does away with rights granted Americans under the Constitution, like the right to confront one's accusers, due process, trial by jury, a public and speedy trial by an impartial jury, and protection from cruel and unusual punishments. So Bush "unsigned" it.

The Bush administration's "unsigning" of the treaty signed by Bill Clinton in the final days of his presidency caused the global elitists to choke on their caviar as they rushed to condemn the administration of "bad faith" in overturning the will of Bill Clinton.

The jurisdiction granted under the Rome Treaty to the ICC would put every U.S. serviceman and woman at risk. Even U.S. travelers, especially if they are or have been public officials, would be at risk of being grabbed for trial by judges from Sierra Leone, Sudan, Iran and other nations who will supply the ICC's international "judges."

The Rome Treaty says the ICC is accountable to no one, not even to the United Nations, whose charter recognizes the sovereignty of nation-states and where we have our Security Council veto.

The United States said it won't place itself under the ICC's jurisdiction, even though other democracies – like Great Britain – already have. The ICC has already been ratified by more than 60 nations.

And now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Eight international lawyers, – plus law professors from Britain, Ireland, France and Canada – are building a case before the ICC, charging Great Britain and the United States with "war crimes." They plan to turn it over to ICC prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo next month in the Hague.

From there, Moreno-Ocampo is expected to question Lord Goldsmith, the United Kingdom's attorney general, and Secretary of Defense Geoff Hoon. According to Britain's U.K. Independent, "... if he concludes that a prosecution has a "reasonable prospect of success," the case will go before the pre-trial chamber of the court, which has the power to try individuals and governments for war crimes. From there, it goes to a "full inquiry." A full inquiry could mean that British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his senior ministers could be called to face charges.

The British "war crimes" reportedly arise from its use of some 70 cluster bombs, each of which contained 17 "bomblets," as well as its use of artillery shells that also contained bomblets. In other words, they used weapons of war to conduct a war and fought to win. Under ICC rules, that is evidently a war crime.

The group compiling the war crimes accusations, called Peacerights, is also accusing the coalition of "stifling" the media for the way it dealt with such bastions of journalistic excellence as al-Jazeera and Abu Dhabi TV.

A recent report from Human Rights Watch says that an estimated 1,000 Iraqi civilians were either killed or wounded by cluster bombs. That is out of a total of 13,000 cluster bombs used by the British and the United States during the war.

Doing the math, that means for every person wounded or killed, it took 13 of those cluster bombs to do it. Not very efficient, for war criminals. (Saddam was able to kill that many using only a thousand bullets.)

Following the ICC's definition of war crimes, all parties to World War II were war criminals. In World War II, enemy propagandists were war criminals. Now, they are victims. Enemy soldiers who committed genocide against their own people – and against the people they conquered – were war criminals. Now they are victims.

But thanks to the foresight of the current administration, the ICC has no jurisdiction over U.S. servicemen or the U.S. officials who prosecuted the war. Just over the British who thought, "Gee, what a great idea!" when it was presented to them.

I told you so.









Hal Lindsey is the best-selling author of 20 books, including "Late Great Planet Earth." He writes this weekly column exclusively for WorldNetDaily.
6 posted on 01/23/2004 11:13:36 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: Mia T
Your graphics are always so strong......you remind me of Dilbert's house HTML coder, who with heaving bosom once told the smitten Cadrom, Preventer of Information Technology, "Your HTML is weak!"

Great post, Mia.

7 posted on 01/23/2004 11:21:18 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: lilylangtree
The group compiling the war crimes accusations, called Peacerights, .......

Bingo.

Or, as the grrrrls at Ms. used to say, "Click!"

Causing ICC indictments to be brought against non-Leftist government officials in non-Leftist nations has got to be the ultimate onanistic thrill ride for these Left NGO goons.

Straw in the wind: the U.N., rather than expand its paid bureaucracy, has been "leveraging" its reach by farming out policy and staffing to numbers of single-issue NGO's.

President Bush was very prudent to make it clear that anyone who wants to seize and "try" U.S. citizens will be put under the same interdict that Theodore Roosevelt issued during the Pedecaris Incident.

Soldier of Fortune interviewed, years after the fact (about six years ago), a number of people who were involved with Desert One in Iran back in 1980. It isn't generally known that the air support planned for that extraction was huge, and included AC-130's, FB-111's, and BLU-52 "Daisy Cutters".

The Iranian radicals never knew how lucky they were.

8 posted on 01/23/2004 11:42:01 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: Mia T
He just can't resist an opportunity to prove his unique brand of Psychopathology. No wonder why Arafat knew how to play him. It takes one to know another better.


9 posted on 01/23/2004 1:42:15 PM PST by Helms (Liberals believe we are Crash Dummies on the hectic highway of the Cosmos)
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To: lentulusgracchus
thx ;)
(Any resemblance to Dilbert's house HTML coder is purely hypertextual.)
10 posted on 01/23/2004 8:26:07 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: All
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11 posted on 01/23/2004 8:30:44 PM PST by jla
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To: lilylangtree
The International Criminal Court is less about justice than about weakening the United States. Most telling about the clinton signing of the Rome Treaty is the date, Dec. 31,2000. Apparently, what was not good enough for clinton is good enough for Bush.

Like the bubble economy and burgeoning terrorism, the Rome Treaty is yet another ticking time bomb that the impeached, legacy-obsessed ex-(ersatz)president left for George W. Bush.

The clinton time-bomb ploy is a variation on the clinton posthumous misappropriation ploy, which, for the obvious reason, is the clintons' preferred method of legacy inflation. While downward revision ("defining deviancy down") is the classic clinton m.o., (see Jefferson double-helix hoax), clinton, exposed, is arguing the obverse (see Upstaged, clinton Recycles Tired Canard, Tries New Revisionist Tack)... and now in real time; the double negative offers the illusion of a higher ground, while real time, the illusion of truth.

12 posted on 01/23/2004 9:29:57 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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<< How can I have any respect for this Clinton creature who sold us out to communist China? My Tax Dollars paid for all the military secrets he handed over to the ChiComs. >>

And your Tax Dollars -- and mine -- amount to nothing when compared to the prices our children and grandchildren -- and theirs -- will continue to pay for the consequences of the actions and activities of the manifestations of Evil we know of as "the Clintons."

Bump!/Ping!
13 posted on 01/24/2004 1:53:59 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen; dennisw
ping!

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THE CLINTONS--AMERICA'S BIGGEST BLUNDER
Hear Bush 41 Warn Us--October 19, 1992*

 

hear

*Thanx to Cloud William for text and audio

 

LEHRER: President Bush, your closing statement, sir.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Three weeks from now--two weeks from tomorrow, America goes to the polls and you're going to have to decide who you want to lead this country ...

On foreign affairs, some think it's irrelevant. I believe it's not. We're living in an interconnected world...And if a crisis comes up, ask who has the judgment and the experience and, yes, the character to make the right decision?

And, lastly, the other night on character Governor Clinton said it's not the character of the president but the character of the presidency. I couldn't disagree more. Horace Greeley said the only thing that endures is character. And I think it was Justice Black who talked about great nations, like great men, must keep their word.

And so the question is, who will safeguard this nation, who will safeguard our people and our children? I need your support, I ask for your support. And may God bless the United States of America.

(Applause)

play tape

 

THE CLINTONS--AMERICA'S BIGGEST BLUNDER
Hear Bush 41 Warn Us--October 19, 1992*




EXPENSIVE CHINA: the clinton legacy
by Mia T, 10.17.03

 

I believe that this espionage case -- the Chinese -- is the worst in the history of this country. They got just about everything that we have and you'll see it in the out years in their development of their weapons.

HEAR Sen. Richard Shelby

ALL
Double, trouble TOIL for HUBBELL;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
 
THIRD WITCH (a stealth Conservative)
Scale of BONIOR, tooth of WOLF,
HILLARY'S memory, maw and gulf
A ravin'd salt-sea shark,
Ears of the MARTINS digg'd i' the dark,
Gall of BILL, and McCURRY'S slips
"Noes" of LANNY, and HUBBELL'S lips,
Finger of ICKES ditch-deliver'd by a drab,
Make the gruel thick and slab:
Add thereto a Chinese squadron,
For the ingredients of our cauldron.
 
ALL
Double, trouble TOIL for HUBBELL;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
 
SECOND WITCH:
Cool it with cash and blood,
Then the charm is firm and good.
 
Enter Lady MacClinton
 

Mia T, MacClinton
Act IV, Scene I

It is no secret that Hillary's past takes us through a pile of hard, cold cash from the Chinese army, Chinese army agents roaming the White House and photos with a wide variety of scoundrels.

For example, the one prominent name missing from Hillary's recent "tell-all" book is Riady. Mrs. Clinton failed to mention the Riady family at all. One would get the impression that the Riadys were not present in the Clinton White House. Hillary Clinton certainly overlooked listing the table settings and menus for White House dinners with the Riadys.

The Riadys knew the Clintons from their Arkansas years, when Moctar bought out a local bank. Moctar and his son James were close to Bill and Hillary through 1992 and into the White House. Moctar even owned the firm selected by Hillary Clinton to replace the White House travel office.

Riady and Hillary

Moctar and James Riady played a key role in bringing the Clintons to power in Washington. The Indonesian billionaire and his Lippo banking company managed to contribute large sums of money to the Clintons' campaigns even though it was against the law. Moctar's gardener contributed $450,000 directly to Bill Clinton in a single check. James Riady, Moctar's son, eventually pleaded guilty to campaign violations.

The connections between the Riadys and the Clintons have a much more sinister theme than simple foreign money inside U.S. elections. Testimony before the U.S. Senate revealed Moctar Riady's involvement in Chinese espionage. The Lippo Group is in fact a joint venture of China Resources, a trading and holding company "wholly owned" by the Chinese communist government and used as a front for Chinese espionage operations.

Mrs. Clinton not only knew the Riadys but took their money as well. To prove my point I need only to cite photographic evidence. Her picture with Moctar Riady is certainly damning evidence of a relationship that spanned several bank accounts and two decades. It is often said that a picture tells a thousand words. However, Hillary's pictures not only tell stories left out of her book but they also netted $10,000 each for the DNC in illegal donations.

Hillary's Most-Wanted

Mrs. Clinton has left us with a wide selection of photo evidence. Mrs. Clinton has had her photo taken with drug dealer Jorge Cabrera. Jorge donated a load of drug money to the DNC in order to get close to the first lady. Jorge is currently serving federal time for smuggling 3,000 pounds of cocaine into the United States.

Ironically, Jorge and Hillary were photographed in front of the White House Christmas tree.

Mrs. Clinton also has a virtual personal photo gallery of modern crime. It is almost as if she wanted to collect snapshots of herself and major crime figures.

For example, the co-presidents were photographed together with Macao criminal boss Ng Lapseng. Ng makes most of his money through the female-empowering career of prostitution.

Ng owns the Fortuna Hotel in Macao. You can stay overnight at the Fortuna for a reasonable price. In addition, you can also purchase the services of a Fortuna hostess for an additional nightly or hourly fee.

Ng frequently visited the Clintons with his close friend Charlie "Yah-Lin" Trie. It was through Charlie Trie that Ng also donated thousands of dollars to the Clintons.

Ng's Fortuna Hotel showed up again later in official State Department charges against the satellite division of Hughes. The Fortuna turned out to be a front for a Chinese army company that leased a Hughes satellite.

Hillary Clinton's close relationship with the Chinese army is all too well documented. The first lady was clearly involved with Chinese agent Johnny Chung and the penetration of Col. Lui of Chinese army unit COSTIND, the Chinese Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense.

According to the GAO, COSTIND "oversees development of China's weapon systems and is responsible for identifying and acquiring telecommunications technology applicable for military use."

Johnny Chung also had several photo sessions with both Clintons. Many of the photos appear in Mr. Chung's beer advertisements. Chung passed Chinese army money to the DNC through Mrs. Clinton. In return, a very young and attractive female PLA colonel and COSTIND computer information warfare specialist was allowed inside the White House to meet Bill Clinton.

Hillary's Albatross
Charles R. Smith
Friday, Sept. 5, 2003

 

 



hear Christopher Cox et al.

I believe that this espionage case -- the Chinese -- is the worst in the history of this country. They got just about everything that we have and you'll see it in the out years in their development of their weapons.

HEAR Sen. Richard Shelby

China space shot has military implications

China launches first manned space flight
Reuters ^ | 10-14-03

Wed 15 October, 2003 02:07 BST

BEIJING (Reuters) - China has launched its first manned space flight from the Gobi desert, Xinhua news agency says, in its bid to become the third country to put a man in orbit after the former Soviet Union and the United States.

The Shenzhou V, or "Divine Ship V", was expected to orbit the Earth 14 times before returning after about 21 hours.

Xinhua said the craft carried astronaut Yang Liwei, 38. The launch on Wednesday, 42 years after the Soviet Union put the first man into space, marked a milestone for China's secretive space programme, which analysts say has its sights set on a manned mission to the moon.


14 posted on 01/24/2004 5:12:49 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
Shabbat Shalom, Beautiful Lady

G-d bless you, Mia T -- for you are surely chosen of and by H-m -- in whom we live and have our being.

Blessings -- Brian
15 posted on 01/24/2004 5:36:12 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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16 posted on 01/25/2004 2:50:29 AM PST by jla
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To: Mia T
I was just describing to a friend this AM about that great graphic you made up with the Twin Towers bursting into a ball of flame, and the ghostly image of President Bubba hacking away on his sax.

I still think that would make into an AWESOME T-Shirt.

Would you post the graphic again for everyone.

Thanks for your work and creativity.

17 posted on 01/25/2004 3:05:16 AM PST by CIBvet (It's about preserving OUR Borders, OUR Language and OUR American Culture)
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To: Mia T
With virtuoso skill, he led the audience where they needed to go - while convincing them it was where they had wanted to end up all along.
Poor bastards are too ignorant to even know that they've been Delphi'd by the best! Ralph Peters seems to like it as well.

"The goal of the Delphi technique is to lead a targeted group of people to a predetermined outcome, while giving the illusion of taking public input and under the pretext of being accountable to the public."

18 posted on 01/25/2004 5:09:10 AM PST by philman_36
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To: lilylangtree; All
thx again ping

Perhaps the most telling aspect of the clinton signing of the Rome Treaty, the act that formally put America under ICC jurisdiction, is the date -- Dec. 31, 2000 -- mere days before the clintons' "unpardonably" flagitious -- and, many would say, long overdue -- Oval-Office exit.

Apparently, what was not good enough for the clintons is good enough for Bush.

Mia T, CLINTONS' ROME-TREATY LEGACY-INFLATION SCHEME:
the clintons leave yet another ticking time bomb for George Bush



THE INTERMINABLE clintons
It's time to take out the trash...
A Senate en passant capture is THE MOVE...


NEW AUDIO! Hear the Bill Bennett (PARDONGATE) epilogue .

19 posted on 01/25/2004 8:42:09 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: CIBvet
thx. :)

Q ERTY9

BUSH: "I will not wait on events, while dangers gather."

 

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President's Remarks
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This country has many challenges. We will not deny, we will not ignore, we will not pass along our problems to other Congresses, to other presidents, and other generations. (Applause.) We will confront them with focus and clarity and courage...

Sending Americans into battle is the most profound decision a President can make. The technologies of war have changed; the risks and suffering of war have not. For the brave Americans who bear the risk, no victory is free from sorrow. This nation fights reluctantly, because we know the cost and we dread the days of mourning that always come.

We seek peace. We strive for peace. And sometimes peace must be defended. A future lived at the mercy of terrible threats is no peace at all. If war is forced upon us, we will fight in a just cause and by just means -- sparing, in every way we can, the innocent. And if war is forced upon us, we will fight with the full force and might of the United States military -- and we will prevail. (Applause.)

State of the Union Address by President George W. Bush


20 posted on 01/25/2004 8:53:06 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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