Why You Should Support Bush's Immigration Proposal

GOPUSA ^ | 01.23.04 | J. Max Wilson

[Beck_isright]

"There are a lot of things that are illegal and are ignored. So what? The present law and situation doesn't work. Bush is proposing a guest worker plan to address the situation that would work."

Great! I'm going to need your name and address for my defense when I quit filing my taxes.

[raybbr]

The 'toon panders to criminals, Bush doesn't.

Illegal aliens aren't criminals?

[spunkets]

"expansion of the Border Patrol"

Constructing it properly would allow the feds to crack down on the city fathers and PDs that fail to go along with the plan.

"laws already on the books, and empower local police to enfore immigration law, not ignore it?"

For the same reason I would never turn in a hard working person I discovered had the misfortune to be classed as an illegal, there are others doing the same. This allows for a crackdown on the real problem characters.

[spunkets]

"Illegal aliens aren't criminals?"

Some of them are as criminal as I am for not wearing a seatbelt.

[Zipporah]

"Bush might have something up his sleeve".. this is exactly my fear. Have you perchance done any research into the Aztlan fanatics?

[spunkets]

LOL, not paying your taxes isn't comparable and you'll only find sympathy from your fellow inmates.

[skeeter]

Some of them are as criminal as I am for not wearing a seatbelt.

It may appear that way from Wisconsin.

Come to California & say that.

[Beck_isright]

" Constructing it properly would allow the feds to crack down on the city fathers and PDs that fail to go along with the plan."

You mean like he promised to right after 9-11?

"For the same reason I would never turn in a hard working person I discovered had the misfortune to be classed as an illegal, there are others doing the same. This allows for a crackdown on the real problem characters."

Bunk. The "real problem characters" and the real illegals will never be found. The black market economy in the U.S. exceeds $40 billion per the 2002 IRS estimates. If an illegal makes $30-50K per year tax free, they have NO REASON TO apply for a blue card. What makes you think that someone in their right mind would? You're smoking the pipe dream.

[txdoda]

The present law and situation doesn't work. >>>>>>>>>

Our present laws have NEVER been *funded* to work, including under GWB's 'watch'.

I have heard several times from TX *Gov.* Bush that he thought "the most compassionate way to deals with illegals, is to stop them at the borders". This quote even in his book.

GWB has not made any serious attempt to stop illegals from crossing our borders, even AFTER the attacks of 9-11.

[spunkets]

"YEARS of TAX EVASION & filing fraudulent tax filings?"

The proposal allows for correction from this point on. Is that not worth something?

[Beck_isright]

"LOL, not paying your taxes isn't comparable and you'll only find sympathy from your fellow inmates."

Really?

There are an estimated 10-12 million illegal aliens.

There is also an estimated 30-40 million non-filing U.S. citizens who do not pay taxes beyond payroll deductions or welfare benefits.

What you are saying is that breaking any law is okay as long as it is "humane" (or inferring words to that effect). So basically as long as a someone is abusing their children and the kids don't mind, that's ok? Or someone is driving drunk every night and they don't get caught, that's ok? Or someone is printing dollar bills on their printer and they don't get caught, that's ok? At what point do we discard the laws of the land? Do we allow rape because one party enjoys it, thus it's not a crime any more? Your standards are as low as that of the "toons". When you throw away your Rove faxdatamarching orders and get some ideas of your own, get back to me.

[supercat]

If an illegal makes $30-50K per year tax free, they have NO REASON TO apply for a blue card. What makes you think that someone in their right mind would? You're smoking the pipe dream.

That's my point. How is offering illegals something they're not going to take anyway a problem?

[Zipporah]

Ping

[Beck_isright]

" That's my point. How is offering illegals something they're not going to take anyway a problem?"

It's beyond your scope. I'll just move on.

[spunkets]

" Our present laws have NEVER been *funded* to work, including under GWB's 'watch'."

I gave you reasons many folks don't want to see mass deportations and police state crackdowns. I don't want to fund that kind of scheme either. " I have heard several times from TX *Gov.* Bush that he thought "the most compassionate way to deals with illegals, is to stop them at the borders". This quote even in his book."

He wants to stop them at the border, quiz 'em and either give them the blue card, or send 'em packin'.

" GWB has not made any serious attempt to stop illegals from crossing our borders, even AFTER the attacks of 9-11."

He's moved and proposed the solution. I think it's a good move.

[petertare]

I greatly respect our President for facing up to this problem (OK-maybe facing is a little strong). Give the man credit for making it a public discussion item.

His approach is wrong. There will be no enforcement additives/enhancement, those now here will never return south, family members will come north, and employers will never be properly punished. The consequences will be opposite those advertised, as is usually the case in programs emanating from DC.

The most commonly accepted fallacy is that our borders cannot be safeguarded. Absolutely inaccurate. Some modern technology, some air assets (rotary, fixed wing, and heliostats)along with some increase in border manpower (perhaps double what exists) can shut down at least 95% of the estimated flow. I have studied this extensively and find nothing insurmountable other than a lack of political will. A cost effective fix (short of a physical barrier) could be instituted within six months from the date citizens finally insist on a solution.

[Plutarch]

Bush's proposal is not a scheme to appeal to Hispanic voters... Bush's proposal is a brilliant move in a complex chess game.

If it isn't appealing to Hispanic voters, why does every other Republican apologist for the scheme mention nothing else?

It may be a brilliant complex game Bush is playing, but its not chess but Three Card Monte. And we conservatives are the marks.

[spunkets]

"It may appear that way from Wisconsin."

I know and understand the situation in both places and in CA. CA and other States will lose a great number of them, because they are criminals, unemployed ect. and aren't particularly interested in changing.

[Bulldog1967]

I don't care HOW the GOP'ers spin this.

This proposal stinks like the BS it is.

[Beck_isright]

Agreed. We have the capacity to the job. We do not have the poltical will nationwide. We have become a nation of fat lazy slobs who are comfortable as long as our lettuce is cheap and our lawns are cut. I'm sure we can find some 5th century prayers in Latin which were uttered by the citizens of Rome, which are just as applicable today.