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Why You Should Support Bush's Immigration Proposal
GOPUSA ^ | 01.23.04 | J. Max Wilson

Posted on 01/23/2004 4:37:58 PM PST by Beck_isright

Critics of President Bush's immigration reform proposal have been so quick to label it an amnesty plan in sheep's clothing that they have missed the subtle brilliance of his approach to a very complex problem. Let's look at some of the complex issues of illegal immigration and evaluate the President's proposal in relation to them.

Contrary to what many pundits seem concerned with, the main problem with illegal immigration in the United States is not its influence on the job market but its relationship to organized crime. In an article for the City-Journal's Winter 2004 edition entitled "The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave," Heather Mac Donald provides an in-depth and disturbing look at this relationship:

"95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in L.A., which total 1,200 to 1,500, target illegal aliens and up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens."

"A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico."

"The leadership of the Columbia Lil' Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.'s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation."

As if that weren't bad enough, in an article carried by the Salt Lake Tribune on December 18th, David Kelly gives us a chilling view of a new development in Arizona crime:

"Moving with the cunning and cruelty of modern-day pirates, gangs of kidnappers are swooping down on Arizona highways, attacking smugglers transporting undocumented immigrants and stealing their human cargo. The kidnappers stash the immigrants in hundreds of drop houses scattered around the city, using violence and threats to extort money from their relatives."

"Now smugglers are fighting back, shooting it out with kidnappers on sidewalks and freeways in broad daylight. A gunbattle last month between kidnappers and smugglers on Interstate 10 at the height of rush hour left four dead. Four others were killed this month in the desert near Phoenix; authorities blamed the deaths on violence between the two groups."

"Kidnappers let smugglers take all the risks of getting immigrants into the country, then rob them once they get here. When they can't intercept smugglers on the road, they snatch migrants from houses where they are known to be hiding. The new wave of violence has made this the deadliest year in Phoenix history with 247 homicides, edging out the previous high of 245 in 2001. Police say 60 percent of the city's crime is related to smuggling and kidnapping."

As these articles demonstrate, a significant portion of crime in our big cities is perpetuated by illegal immigrants. But, as you can also see from David Kelly's article, the victims of these crimes are often also illegal immigrants. This creates a disastrous situation because victims of these and other crimes will not report them for fear of being deported. Vast numbers of illegal immigrants suffer severe abuse, extortion, and virtual slavery at the hands of organized crime and cannot report it for fear of deportation. So the crimes go unreported and the criminals unstopped.

To counteract this problem, many local city governments have adopted "sanctuary policies." These city policies prohibit employees of local government, including law enforcement officers, from inquiring after the immigration status of anyone. Often, even if a police officer knows that a particular individual has entered the country illegally (a misdemeanor) or has previously been deported and has returned illegally (a felony) he or she is forbidden by city statute from arresting that person. Police officers are even forbidden from reporting known illegal immigrants to the federal authorities.

While these policies are supposedly adopted to protect the illegal immigrants who are victims of crime and encourage them to report crimes without the fear of deportation, they have the secondary effect of protecting criminals who are illegal immigrants as well. Even if the police know of an individual with connections to organized crime and a past criminal record, and they know that he is in the country illegally, they are forbidden from using his illegal status to arrest him and deport him. In fact, a police officer can face disciplinary action for arresting someone based upon their immigration status or for reporting them to the INS. Many crimes that might have been prevented by deporting known illegal immigrants are left undeterred because the police cannot use their illegal status to deport them until they have already been booked for a different felony.

Such policies blatantly undermine federal immigration law. Heather Mac Donald explains in her City-Journal article:

"Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the city's sanctuary policy against a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS. Oh yeah? said Giuliani; just watch me. The INS, he claimed, with what turned out to be grotesque irony, only aims to "terrorize people." Though he lost in court, he remained defiant to the end. On September 5, 2001, his handpicked charter-revision committee ruled that New York could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential to preserve trust between immigrants and government. Six days later, several visa-overstayers participated in the most devastating attack on the city and the country in history."

After September 11th there was outrage over the failure of Federal agencies to prevent the tragedy. And yet the possible contribution of mayor Giuliani's New York City sanctuary policy to September 11th has not been discussed by the mainstream media. While it may be appropriate to inquire into the failures of the federal government in the September 11th attacks, shouldn't there be an equal amount of outrage and demand for investigation into the role of city sanctuary policies? And yet over two years later the majority of the population of the United States isn't even aware that such policies exist.

Despite federal law and September 11th, this outrageous situation is still very common. Sanctuary policies are in effect in at least eighteen cities, including New York, Chicago, San Diego, Los Angeles, Austin, Houston, Minneapolis, Baltimore, and Seattle and in two states, Alaska and Oregon.

Since 1998, the city of St. Paul Minnesota has had a police policy that prohibits officers from "independently undertaking to approach, interview, interrogate or arrest any suspected illegal alien" when the main issue is immigration status violation. And, amazingly, this very month, the St. Paul city council is considering adopting an additional measure known as the "INS/City Separation Ordinance."

Why have the sanctuary laws of our nation's largest cities been so ignored by the mainstream media? You would think that even if they were completely neglected in the aftermath of September 11th, they would at least be addressed in relation to President Bush's proposed changes to immigration. The relationship between illegal immigration, sanctuary policies, and organized crime should be a major issue. Yet the mainstream media is still largely silent on the matter. Instead, they spend hours of airtime, newsprint, and bandwidth discussing how Bush's proposal will affect jobs, and whether it will encourage more illegal immigration. I suspect the media's silence is largely due to political correctness. To discuss any relationship between illegal immigration and crime would be labeled "racist" by the media language police faster than you can say "Francisco Martinez."

There is another group that also deserves a portion of the blame pie. The readiness of U.S. businesses to break the law by employing undocumented workers for the sake of avoiding taxes and paying lower wages is deplorable. If U.S. businesses would uniformly refuse to hire illegal immigrants it would help discourage illegal immigration by taking away some of their motivation. The situation is exacerbated by current immigration policies. Because foreign workers can only work in the United States for a very limited duration, companies that hire foreigners and obey the law must hire new workers on a very frequent basis. That makes it more difficult for them to compete with companies that are willing to break the law and hire illegal immigrants and thereby avoid the extra expense of frequently hiring and training new employees, not to mention taxation, worker's compensation, insurance and minimum wages.

The greatest danger to our nation is, in part, the result of widespread lawbreaking by businesses and law nullification by city governments. Conservatives seem ready to condemn the illegal immigrants who come seeking work and often advocate the harshest punishments for them (i.e. shooting them at the border) while at the same time barely hand-slapping the lawbreaking businesses and ignoring city sanctuary policies designed to undermine federal immigration law. This hypocrisy contributes to the unfortunate impression that conservatives are racists.

Under these circumstances, it is simply impossible for the Federal Government to enforce immigration laws. Even if the cities and businesses were cooperating, there is no way the federal government could muster the manpower and the funds necessary to identify, capture, and deport the vast numbers of illegal immigrants and then keep them out.

The immigration system is clearly broken and casting the blame on the Federal government alone is a huge oversimplification and misdirection of energy. Critics of the failure of the U.S. to enforce its immigration laws should direct their ire toward local governments that are endangering our nation with their ill-conceived and illegal sanctuary law.

How does President Bush's proposal relate to this immigration headache?

Rather than develop a detailed, specific plan for immigration reform, Bush wisely proposed principles upon which reform must be based if it is to be successful:

1. "America must control its borders...America is acting on a basic belief: Our borders should be open to legal travel and honest trade; our borders should be shut and barred tight to criminals, to drug traders, drug traffickers and to criminals and to terrorists."

2. "New immigration laws should serve the economic needs of our country. If an American employer is offering a job that American citizens are not willing to take, we ought to welcome into our country a person who will fill that job."

3. "We should not give unfair rewards to illegal immigrants in the citizenship process or disadvantage those who came here lawfully or hope to do so."

4. "New laws should provide incentives for temporary foreign workers to return permanently to their home countries after their period of work in the United States has expired."

By focusing on principles rather than specific plans, Bush provides a much more realistic and flexible approach to reform. The principles remain constant while the specific implementation may change according to how well it adheres to those principles.

The first principle and primary concern is about controlling the borders. Currently, city and state sanctuary policies completely thwart any attempt to apply this principle. The cities justify their sanctuary laws as a necessary measure to allow illegal immigrants who are victims of crimes to report them without fear of deportation. By allowing undocumented workers to receive a legal, temporary worker status, Bush's proposal takes away that necessity and leaves city sanctuary policies without justification. Under Bush's plan anybody who has an honest employment would have temporary worker status. All remaining illegal immigrants, lacking honest employment, could be assumed to be criminals and police officers could demand immigration documentation from anyone and arrest and deport anyone based solely on their immigration status.



In his proposal, President Bush explained:

"Our homeland will be more secure when we can better account for those who enter our country."

"Instead of the current situation, in which millions of people are unknown, unknown to the law, law enforcement will face fewer problems with undocumented workers, and will be better able to focus on the true threats to our nation from criminals and terrorists."

"And when temporary workers can travel legally and freely, there will be more efficient management of our borders and more effective enforcement against those who pose a true threat to our country."

By eliminating the excuse for sanctuary policies, Bush's principle-based plan would then allow local law enforcement to freely cooperate with federal authorities to control our national borders. The Bush proposal makes it possible for federal immigration authorities to focus their limited resources on those who pose the greatest threat to our domestic security: organized criminals. Contrary to the characterization it has received, Bush's proposal allows for more strict enforcement of immigration law and greater control over our national borders by facilitating the repeal of city sanctuary laws.

A related benefit of Bush's proposal is that without city sanctuary policies, law enforcement officers who apprehend illegal immigrants would be able to more easily identify businesses that break the law. Any organization or company that continued to employ undocumented immigrants rather than temporary workers would be suspected of involvement in organized crime or of supporting terrorism and could be investigated and dismantled.

The implementation of Bush's immigration proposal could eliminate a significant amount of crime in our large cities. It could be a significant blow to crime organizations, drug and weapons trafficking, and organizations that covertly support terror. It could help us control our borders to keep criminals and terrorists out.

Bush's proposal is not a scheme to appeal to Hispanic voters. It is a well informed, strategic move calculated to undermine the forces that are currently preventing our immigration laws from being enforced and endangering our nation. Bush's proposal is a brilliant move in a complex chess game. We should support him and encourage our representatives to support his proposal.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; crime; illegalalien; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan
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To: spunkets
I have a serious problem with your conclusion. As a matter of fact it appears quite naive and sounds like you have little experience traveling in the real world.

Securing the border is not a "police state solution" or an "affront to Freedom and decency" Every nation on the face of the Earth with any kind of sense controls it's boarders. I have lived and worked in Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, Russia, the Ukraine, the Crimea, Hong Kong... and have traveled to England, France (yuck), Amsterdam, and throughout the former Soviet Union. Every one of the above uses ARMED troops to guard and secure their borders and with the possible exception of Hong Kong (which was under British control when I was there) none of the above could remotely be considered a "police state". But they have one thing that we in America do not have and that is SECURE BORDERS!

221 posted on 01/23/2004 9:29:50 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: Porterville
Um, check again, it ain't amnesty... but keep Buchanoning yourself into a corner.


Sure it is for the illegals & the illegals employers.

Unless you & Bush define 'amnesty' much different than dictionaries.
222 posted on 01/23/2004 9:34:00 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: spunkets
""you'll be happy to know that GWB announced that he has TAXDOLLARS to GIVE many minority families 5,000 each, so they can *more easily* buy a house."

Buy a house? Hell, I thought they already bought both houses of Congress...
223 posted on 01/23/2004 9:36:31 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: skeeter
I felt the same way in '86, but we all know what happened to those promises.

Even in 1986 I was opposed to amnesty after living in Arizona, but it had some strong enforcement provisions attached to the bill so that's what got people to buy into it.

Instead of learning from its failure we're hearing the same, tired arguments with Bush's proposal. It's deja vu all over again.

224 posted on 01/23/2004 9:36:45 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Beck_isright
Your post 158 is right on the money, it is just a political ploy and if we let it pass, we and our children will pay for it... forever (no entitlement EVER gets rescinded).

I for one REFUSE to pay for the president’s re-election on the backs of my children so that he can pander to an illegal minority for 4 more years in power.

The time to stand up against this proposal is NOW. If it passes, it will be too late.

Some will say... "but if you don't vote for him, the democrats will regain power". That is true, but I just have one question:

How is what he is proposing any different than what they would do? The answer is: there is no difference, in both scenarios the illegals are given a pass and hard working, law abiding American taxpayers will invariably pick up the tab.

225 posted on 01/23/2004 9:37:47 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: spunkets
An easy philosophy for somebody living far from the Mexican border.

Hector and Jose may become paragons of virtue by the time they reach Milwaukee, but as they pass through my home county they are as destructive as any of the Biblical plagues. Locusts come to mind immediately.

Mash here for the very least of their offenses.

Do you routinely carry a gun? Is your property floodlit at night like a WalMart parking lot? Do you spend thousands of dollars every year making good on vandalism or theft of your property? How many of your friends and neighbors have been assaulted, robbed, or car-jacked by illegal aliens? Are your hospitals going bankrupt providing federally mandated care for illegal aliens? How about your schools? Are your national parks nothing but a glorified stash and staging area for drug smugglers and illegal aliens?

226 posted on 01/23/2004 9:42:04 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Beck_isright
Jeez, I keep telling myself, "surely they know what they are doing", but this defies all reasoning. Could they really be clueless????? definitly not stupid.

And then OUT comes the tin foil! There must be a grand plan (no... scheme) in effect that we menial citizend need not be aware of, or worry about, since this *could* happen without majority approval.

227 posted on 01/23/2004 9:42:14 PM PST by m18436572
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To: skeeter
"I think you already can see the falicy in your argument."

There's no fallacy, because I gave you the reasons conditions, perceptions and action would drastically change.

"Luke intended to dictate to believers what should be their personal policy towards the poor & less fortunate.

That's correct. Now your personal policy should be reflected on your lips and in your vote. Bush's proposal is to protect the right of opportunity and at the same time protect the nation from the disaster of uncontrolled criminals. It doesn't have to contain any giveaways of other people's money and it allows for many of the present giveaways to be ended. Charity is a voluntary thing. It is not charity when it's forced. Freedom of opportunity simply recognizes an individual right. The jobs are not unlimited. That limits the opportunity.

228 posted on 01/23/2004 9:43:49 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Beck_isright
40 million people? That's more than 10% !!!!!!!!!!!
229 posted on 01/23/2004 9:44:36 PM PST by m18436572
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To: Porterville
You're right -- it's a scamnesty.
230 posted on 01/23/2004 9:45:02 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Flyer
Bush's proposal is a brilliant move in a complex chess game.

You are so right. If this policy is successful he will have checkmated the whole of the USA.

231 posted on 01/23/2004 9:45:04 PM PST by biffalobull
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To: JackelopeBreeder
" Hector and Jose may become paragons of virtue by the time they reach Milwaukee"

Folks are who they are. They don't change like that.

" Do you...How many...Are your"

Ponder the proposal and note how it addresses these things.

232 posted on 01/23/2004 9:47:44 PM PST by spunkets
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To: txdoda
The only thing President Bush has up his sleeve is skin. He is not Mezmo the Magnificent, nor is he the Lord our God. He is playing PC politics... Instead of dealing with the problem of illegal immigration, he is sweeping the mess under the carpet under the guise of a new federally mandated bureaucracy/program.

Just one question; if the previous INS mandates were ineffective and unable to be enforced, how is legalizing 12 million more going to make the situation better?

Answer: it will not because the government is unwilling to enforce the laws already existing on the books. Adding a new layer of INS laws and another program will not deal with the problem of enforcement.

But what do I know, I just have a Ph.D.. Sadly, it is going to take another terrorist attack that kills and maims 10,000, 100,000 to perhaps a million or more before the powers that be stop playing PC politics, finally get the message and enforce the law, deport the illegals and secure the borders.

233 posted on 01/23/2004 9:48:05 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: Jmouse007
Keep talking my friend. Maybe you will convince some of the idiots on here who think Bush is a genius for proposing this idiotic policy.

Bush is cutting our throats and his own at the same time. He is a true idiot if he really thinks that these illegals will turn around and vote for him because he legalized their status.
234 posted on 01/23/2004 9:51:31 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Jmouse007
"I have lived and worked in Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, Russia, the Ukraine, the Crimea, Hong Kong... and have traveled to England, France (yuck), Amsterdam, and throughout the former Soviet Union. Every one of the above uses ARMED troops to guard and secure their borders... none of the above could remotely be considered a "police state"."

Japan's always been closed, but they do allow guest workers. The rest are not really Free, they're socialist states. Overall the demand for entry isn't that great. If you stuck any of them where MX is, save JP, you'd see the same thing that exists now.

" they have one thing that we in America do not have and that is SECURE BORDERS!

Islands, socialist countries and tyranical cultures, no Freedom...Those kind of borders aren't hard to secure.

235 posted on 01/23/2004 10:07:06 PM PST by spunkets
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To: JackelopeBreeder
it's a scamnesty.>>>>>>

It sure is !!

(and I'll be borrowing your new terminology).....;o)

236 posted on 01/23/2004 10:07:55 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Jmouse007
how is legalizing 12 million more going to make the situation better?

JM, where does the figure 12 million come from?. Do all these workers not have a families, or relatives.? Regards

237 posted on 01/23/2004 10:09:05 PM PST by biffalobull
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To: spunkets
Ponder the proposal and note how it addresses these things.

Words are cheap and Dubya has taken no action to date. I live here and I follow developments very closely. Occasionally some official makes a grand pronouncement followed by absolutely no action. Once in a blue moon, the feddies mount an operation that results in a few extra apprehensions. A lot of camera time and sound bites, followed by the usual neglect. I have personally caught their official spokesmen lying like dogs and publically called them out.

I don't have the figures for 2003 yet (still stuck in the political spin-cycle, no doubt), but I do have the 2002 figures. The total catch for 2002 by the Border Patrol and INS along the southern border was 1,062,279. The working agents (not their political bosses) claim they only got maybe 1 in 5. The 8 to 12 million figure being put forth by our political parasites is bogus.

238 posted on 01/23/2004 10:09:29 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
The total catch for 2002 by the Border Patrol and INS along the southern border was 1,062,279. The working agents (not their political bosses) claim they only got maybe 1 in 5. The 8 to 12 million figure being put forth by our political parasites is bogus.

Jack, I know it is late at night, but I am not sure what you are saying.

If the Govt. report shows 1 million and change apprehended, and that is a 1 to 5 ratio, wouldn't the number that got thru be about 5 million? Regards

239 posted on 01/23/2004 10:20:26 PM PST by biffalobull
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To: Jmouse007
He is playing PC politics... >>>>>>>

He's not even doing a very good job of that, since the majority of 'goodies' he offers up apply to mexico/mexicans ONLY.


Sadly, it is going to take another terrorist attack that kills and maims 10,000, 100,000 to perhaps a million or more before the powers that be stop playing PC politics, finally get the message and enforce the law, deport the illegals and secure the borders.>>>>>>

Exactly why it's time to 'boot' our PC politicians regardless of the 'party' they play in.
240 posted on 01/23/2004 10:21:18 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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