The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations

betar ^ | Wednesday 24th Dec 2003 | Professor Moshe Sharon

[AzJohn]

Interesting. I knew the Muslims controlled the Mediterranean for centuries, but I'd never learned about such activities in Italy. Thanks for the article.

[Mackey]

From the page you linked:

In 846 Arabs appeared at the mouth of the Tiber. Their fleet forced its way past the fortifications at Ostia and moved on Rome. The great church of St. Peter was sacked but the city was not taken.

Very interesting. Thanks!

[Capt. Tom]

OK, I'll confuse them with Evil, Treasonist DemonRats...(before you Bushies flame away, please read this link)

You can't confuse the Bushies with the socialists(dems) The Bushies will not take orders from the UN. The Bushies will attack terror prone countries like Afghanistan and Iraq. The Bushies will defend the country against terror by not allowing non - citizens to hide behind our laws. The Socialists (Dems) wouldn't do that.

But obviously the Bushies immigration stance is wrong, as is portraying Islam as a religion of peace or saying we all worship the same God.

The point of my tagline is a lot of republicans think of George Bush as a Republican. I don't think he is.(Doesn't makehim a bad guy).

Also many people do not realize the democrat party had been taken over by the socialists.

Democrats would be people like Zell Miller and John Breaux. Neither one would have a chance at a presidential nomination from the socialists. So stop thinking of the Bushies as republicans and you won't be so disapponted in immigration and religious statements coming from the President. - Tom

[harbingr]

' ...So stop thinking of the Bushies as republicans and you won't be so disapponted in immigration and religious statements coming from the President.' - Tom

OK, since the Bushies are 'Fake' Republicans, then that is even More reason to NOT VOTE for them...

'The Bush Record - a Continuation of Clinton'

[papertyger]

Don't insult my intelligence
You may want to believe in absolutes, go right ahead.
"Islam" has no agenda, extremist Islamic fundamentalists do, the first rule of war is to identify your enemy...thus far, you're failing miserably.

A few points Luis. First, how reliable is your intelligence if you forget it's been less than a hundred years since "absolute" genocide was pursued by a world power. Your first point is nothing but shaking incredulity.

Next, your "'Islam' has no agenda" carries all the weight of "there is no left-wing media conspiracy." True enough on it's face, but critics never claimed it was a conspiracy. They claim it's a "consensus."

If there is no consensus between moslems on what the Koran commands, evidenced by cooperation with non-moslems, then you have a point. If not, you're making a distinction without difference.

Finally, the enemy has been reliably identified. Your "failed miserably" is just a smoke-screen, because you are unwilling to admit the enemy's size.

And please don't insult my intelligence by inferring something other than what we did with Germany and Japan as a corrective.

[Capt. Tom]

OK, since the Bushies are 'Fake' Republicans, then that is even More reason to NOT VOTE for them...

It's not that the Bushies are fake republicans it is that their agenda is different than both the republicans and socialists.

When you run for President you have to have a "D" or an "R" behind your name on the ballot to be elected.

The socialists went for the "D" and the Bushies went for the "R" ,One difference is the socialists have the democrat party from top to bottom and the Bushies have the top part of the republican party with a lot of confused republicans below them.

Bush's Immigration policy is a reason not to vote for him but there is never a reason to vote for the socialists (Dems).

[Mark17]

Islam and Territory This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized.

Isn't that about what the communists believe too?

[CaptRon]

Even to the casual observer, the history of Islam is one of military conquest.

[harbingr]

'The Bushies will not take orders from the UN.'

Is that so?...well read the following...

'America Needs the United Nations in Iraq'...from the CFR Website

There's more: proof that the Bushies are CFR...

'A CFR Member Behind Every Bush'... By The New American

The UN is Not your Friend

FR Tread on UN & Bush 9-10-03...Not complimentary to the Bushies...excerpt...

To: republicanwizard
BUSH AND FREEPERS HAVE WON THE DEBATE!

Bush still acquiesces to the wishes of the UN. I wish he wouldn't, but he does.

75 posted on 09/10/2003 10:05:26 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

[harbingr]

'Bush's Immigration policy is a reason not to vote for him but there is never a reason to vote for the socialists (Dems).

Please see my post #52, this thread.

[Capt. Tom]

Of course Bush wants the UN in Iraq. That would take the heat off our unilateral intervention. (Of which I approve.)

I believe in the long run Bush will outflank the UN to our benefit.

This is a thread about Islam. So remember. Allah is God, Mohammed is his prophet. Convert or dominate the infidels . If you can't do that- kill them. - Tom

[spodefly]

BTTT

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Absolute genocide" was pursued by a LEADER OF A MOVEMENT in a European nation, your claim is that all Islam is inherently evil, ergo all Muslims are inherently evil. Your claim is fallacious in the fact that if fails to account for the hundreds of millions of Muslims in nations like Turkey, in Indonesia, in the U.S. and throughout the world who are not out causing any problems. Conversely, you are also ignoring the millions of Muslims in the U.S. and throughout the world who vehemently condemn Muslim extremism, and terrorism.

In order for your ridiculous assertion to work, you would have to convince me that all Germans pursued absolute genocide, a weak argument in light of the fact that they were busy killing Germans right along.

Radical, fundamentalist Islam has an agenda, and part of it is to pull blinders over the eyes of people such as yourself, it appears that they've done a good job on you.

Islam in and of itself, has no "agenda", and there is no more of a left wing media conspiracy any more than there is a vast right wing one, your tin foil is on too tight, there are media outlets whose editors and management has a left-wing point of view, and there are media outlets whose editors and management hold a right-wing point of view on issues.

In the case of Germany and Japan, we fought a conventional war against conventional governments, this is not the case here, and if it actually was, we would be fighting a billion people world-wide...we are not.

The enemy is easily identified, Muslim extremism, and the useful idiots on our side whose ignorance would escalate this into a war of religions.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Nazism" was the extreme manisfestation of socialism (the Nazis were actually National Socialists) and nativism.

Neither socialism or nativism actively promote genocide, or world domination, and it was not necessary to defeat socialism or nativism as concepts in order to defeat the extremes manifested within Hitler's Nazi movement.

Once Hitler, and his armies were defeated, the threat ended.

Once bin Laden, and his Muslim extremism supporters have been captured and defeated, the current threat will end.

[tubavil]

Purely coincidence that both satan and islam love to see dead Christians and Jews.

[tubavil]

Once bin Laden, and his Muslim extremism supporters have been captured and defeated, the current threat will end.

What an ourageous statement!

Laughable on its face!

Islam is death for Christians and Jews. It is spelled out in the koran.

'muslim extremists' are devout muslims and Dr. Daniel Pipes estimates there are 150,000,000 million of them!

[lobo59]

The title of the article is wrong. We do not face a battle between civilizations. It is a battle between civilization and barbarism. Islam is bent on destroying civilization in favor of pagan poverty, misery, starvation and enslavement.

[tubavil]

It is spelled out in the koran

The Muslim Bible commands Muslims to murder all non-Muslims:

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)

"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

[tubavil]

Excellent article. BTTT

[ml/nj]

"Nazism" was the extreme manisfestation of socialism (the Nazis were actually National Socialists) and nativism.

I wonder what you think the major difference is between Mein Kampf and the Koran, aside from the fact that Hitler neglected to suggest that he took dictation from an angel.

Neither socialism or nativism actively promote genocide, or world domination

You cannot be serious!

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot would be in both the Socialist Hall of Fame, and the Mass Murder Hall of Fame. You think there's no connection? Who are the peaceful socialists? Castro? Mugabe?

Once Hitler, and his armies were defeated, the threat ended.

And the same would have been true of Muhammed if he had been defeated early on. If Hitler had not been defeated by US, there would undoubtedly be a lot of people shouting Seig Heil in Europe, at least, today.

Once bin Laden, and his Muslim extremism supporters have been captured and defeated, the current threat will end.

Ever hear of Abu Nidal? How come it didn't end with him? Bin Laden is no more critical to jihad than Pope John Paul II is to the Church's position on abortion.

ML/NJ