Posted on 01/24/2004 12:31:13 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
Did President Bush "desert" the military, as radical filmmaker Michael Moore insists he did? Presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark suggested during New Hampshire's presidential debate Thursday night that the facts of whether Bush ran out on his National Guard unit in 1972 and 1973 are in dispute. But in the months before the 2000 presidential election, the New York Times pretty much demolished this Democratic Party urban legend, a myth that first surfaced in its sister paper, the Boston Globe. "For a full year, there is no record that Bush showed up for the periodic drills required of part-time guardsmen," the Globe insisted in May 2000, in a report Mr. Moore currently cites on his web site to rebut ABC newsman Peter Jennings' debate challenge to Clark that the story is "unsupported by the facts." "I don't know whether [Moore's desertion charge] is supported by the facts or not," Clark replied "I've never looked at it." The Times did, however, look at it, and found that Bush had indeed served during the part of the time the Globe had him AWOL - and later made up whatever time he missed after requesting permission for the postponement. In July 2000 the Times noted that Bush's chief accuser in the Globe report, retired Gen. William Turnipseed, had begun to back way from his story that Bush never appeared for service during the time in question. "In a recent interview," said the Times, "[Turnipseed] took a tiny step back, saying, 'I don't think he did, but I wouldn't stake my life on it." In fact, military records obtained by the Times showed that Turnipseed was wrong and that the Globe had flubbed the story. "A review by The Times showed that after a seven-month gap, he appeared for duty in late November 1972 at least through July 1973," the paper noted on Nov. 3, 2000. The Times explained: "On Sept. 5, 1972, Mr. Bush asked his Texas Air National Guard superiors for assignment to the 187th Tactical Recon Group in Montgomery [Alabama] 'for the months of September, October and November,'" so Bush could manage the Senate campaign of Republican Winton Blount. "Capt. Kenneth K. Lott, chief of the personnel branch of the 187th Tactical Recon Group, told the Texas commanders that training in September had already occurred but that more training was scheduled for Oct. 7 and 8 and Nov. 4 and 5." After the Bush AWOL story had percolated for months, Col. Turnipseed finally remembered another glitch in his story: the fact that National Guard regulations allowed Guard members to miss duty as long as it was made up within the same quarter. And, in fact - according to the Times - that's what Bush did. "A document in Mr. Bush's military records," the paper said, "showed credit for four days of duty ending Nov. 29 and for eight days ending Dec. 14, 1972, and, after he moved back to Houston, on dates in January, April and May." The paper found corroboration for the document, noting, "The May dates correlated with orders sent to Mr. Bush at his Houston apartment on April 23, 1973, in which Sgt. Billy B. Lamar told Mr. Bush to report for active duty on May 1-3 and May 8-10." Yet another document obtained by the Times blew the Bush AWOL story out of the water. It showed that Mr. Bush served at various times from May 29, 1973, through July 30, 1973 - "a period of time questioned by The Globe," the Times sheepishly admitted.
That's not terribly different from a lot of guys in a lot of wars. His next step in life was to do what he could do, and that turned out to be the Viet Nam Veterans Against the War.
I consider that to have been an error but maybe not as big an error as others here who neither served nor ever knew anyone who served might think.
As far as tossing your medals back at Congress, I found myself do that with the paltry few awards I had that Congress had told me I had to have ~ the event, however, was when Jimmy Carter pardoned the draft dodgers. I waited a few weeks and when congress had not yet Impeached and Convicted him, I sent the stuff back to my local Congressman. Lots of other guys did too. John Kerry should have taken that occasion to finally toss his medals back to the scumbuckets in Congress who had so totally shamed our nation and wasted so many of our friends.
It will be brought out eventually. And the Presidents numbers are very stable in comparison to other elections at this stage of the game. The DUmocrats are getting all the press right now and "W"'s numbers are still strong even before the actual campaign has been launched.
I read somewhere yesterday that a person who received three Purple Hearts could request an "early out".
That may be true. The Globe said he was entitled to ask for a transfer ''out of the conflict'' & that he asked for & rec'd a ''cushy'' assignment. And according to the Globe article, it was during the ''cushy'' assignment that he then asked for the early release (to run for Congress).
I saw the Peter Jennings' exchange with Wesley Clark, and I must say that I was perplexed. Jennings, a liberal who has bashed Bush in the past, is now defending Bush???
I had the same thought. I think it was a clever way for Jennings to get a buzz going on the topic. And it's working -- otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.
That was my immediate reaction but what are they holding onto?
Michael Moore needs to have his A$$ handed to him in a major beatdown by an angry Marine.
Moore is the worst kind of race-baiter. Not only does Moore call Bush a coward, he calls white Americans cowards: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/14/153743.shtml
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