Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles (thread 2) Daily Terror Threat

DEBKA ^ | 11/03/03

[Mossad1967]

Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles

Link to Thread #1

[judicial meanz]

Fourth generation nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists, found here:

http://www.rense.com/political/weapons/handheldneutron.htm

[nw_arizona_granny]

Of course, to me, if I don't like a subject, then I leave and look for one that does suit my needs.

Maybe Just Piper was right in thinking that we were being read and judged by the wrong folks.

Oh, well, complaining is not going to help, as I fear that we will be chasing terrorists and communists well past my lifetime.

As we should have been doing all the years past.

Ruth

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Thanks to the whole team.

The original thread was one of the longest, yet most informative,and most polite threads in FR history.

Nice to see it.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Thank You!

Even I saw it.

Ruth

[Domestic Church]

I see NORTHCOM's responsibility extends 500 miles out over the water. Good news!

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Funny,

I post how nice and sweet everyone has been here and as I read down, there's all this talk of disputes and abuse.

Most of the other threads I like get pulled pretty quick:)

Be back after I make a run for some more tinfoil.

[little jeremiah]

Bookmark.

And my insignificant thanks to all who have posted and linked (lunk?) important and fascinating informtion (with a little speculation added for spice) to the thread #1.

And to the Moderators who herd the cats.

[TexKat]

Thanks judicial meanz for the ping. I am sort of glad that a part two thread was started. Its like a new start and gives one an opportunity to keep up. Plus I am awaiting the annoucement of OBL'S capture as Sean Lomax has posted that he was informed of.

[mercy]

You can blame me. Third to last post and last one who busted it. This is a chat thread and an attempt to have a private little cubby hole within FR. It sucks and it is not helping this site. If y'all are so GD exclusinve .... go start your own website.

[swarthyguy]

Nice update on Jihadis here today.

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD65004

[swarthyguy]

Ever try onanism. Might help your disposition.

[mercy]

Not likely newbie.

[nw_arizona_granny]

You have my sympathy.

At least this is America still and we are free to think as we please.

Ruth

[swarthyguy]

OOh, the chronological credibility crowd.

[Domestic Church]

Grapefruit sized neutron bombs!!!!!! Forget the pregnancy cover with the backbacks...2 will fit nicely in a c cup bra.

I have to go back and read that again...I ran away in fright. What rough diameter of ground would a grape fruit cover in detonation?

[Revel]

Yeah well....We don't want you here. So beat it Newbie

[mercy]

Better believe it.

OK. I'll calm down. I watched Heartbreak Ridge with Clint Eastwood again last night and realized my attitude was slipping. Perhaps I over adjusted.

Just plain honestly and according to the 'rules' ans spirit of this site. What you guys are doing is not right. It belongs in chat. It detracts from the main forum and frankly all your talents would be better put to use in the main forum not clusterf--king with each other in your little private world.

[swarthyguy]

Don't calm down. We like you hopped up.

Clusterpukking? Admit it, you like it here.

[Revel]

Right on the root of the c drive. Not in a folder. In same place as your windows folder(along next to it).

[mercy]

No. I don't like it. Just wanted to put in my dose of reality. I'll go now. I don't do private threads but at least most of the other ones perport to provide a service.

[Labyrinthos]

Looks clean. Thanks.

[jerseygirl]

Here are some excerpts from the Middle East News site:

"The Sheikh expects that the U.S. will directly attack the oil sources and will declare their occupation. This situation will lead to a total collapse of the regimes in the region... Anyone interested in correcting the situation of the [Muslim] nation must be prepared for this situation by establishing a council of clerics and preachers that will deal with the anticipated total collapse.

"In order to avoid anyone claiming that the Mujahideen are acting without taking into account the situation of the [Muslim] nation and without warning it, the Sheikh conveyed a hidden message, in which he told these preachers and clerics: You need to realize that these rulers are too contemptible to defend land, honor, and religion.

"We continue on our path and in our Jihad against America. We continue to strike at America and we expect that our next blow will cause the collapse of the situation [in Saudi Arabia] due to the vengeful response, the first result of which will be the direct occupation of the oil sources and America's entrance [into Saudi Arabia] with the aim of changing the situation from its foundations.

"Therefore, you must prepare and anticipate this scenario. The responsibility and the mighty obligation expressed by establishing the Authoritative Council that will crown an Imam from among the Muslims who will manage the affairs of the direct confrontation with the Crusaders is incumbent upon you...

"It is clear that the Sheikh is not so naïve as to call people to convene and to establish an Authoritative Council under conditions like our present conditions, in which two men known [to the authorities] cannot meet without the intelligence apparatuses following them... There is no alternative but to conclude that the Sheikh spoke of a scenario in which America will enter the Arabian Peninsula... It should be assumed that America will prefer direct occupation only in two scenarios:

"1. The collapse of these regimes, and primarily the regime of the House of Salul.(3) Then America will enter in order to secure what it thinks are its direct interests.

"2. America will take a mighty blow, will go berserk, and will decide to punish the extremists deep in the Arabian Peninsula, by means of direct occupation. This is like the Zionists, who were not satisfied with all the treacherous deeds of the Palestinian Authority and with the repression of the Palestinian Mujahideen by Yasser Arafat and his [Palestinian] Authority in the days of the implementation of the Oslo Accords. The Jews were led by the repeated operations to bypass the collaborator [i.e. Arafat], and occupy the territories in order to punish the [Palestinian] Mujahideen by themselves...

"[With regard to the coming attack], the correct answer is found in the hands of the Mujahideen [in Saudi Arabia], even though there are powerful signs for each of these two options... A long time ago, I directed a simple but specific and clear question to some of those who are connected to Al-Qa'ida. I asked them whether another great blow was expected. From the answers, I sketched out some salient characteristics regarding the next blow:

"It will be a surprising blow, that is, one that is completely unexpected. They cannot conceive or imagine the way in which it will be carried out... It is a great blow. That is, the losses that will be caused to America and the Western world in its wake will be very great. Due to its magnitude, the blow will change the international balances of powers..."

The Continuing Debate About Attacks in Saudi Arabia

Also appearing in this issue is part one of an article by the Voice of Jihad editorial board, dealing with "questions regarding the Jihad against the Crusaders in the Arabian Peninsula." The article states:

"Questions from some lovers of Jihad and the Mujahideen, loyal and credible people, have proliferated [recently] regarding the interest in waging Jihad in the Arabian Peninsula. The reason for these questions is that there are several opponents who raised doubts in this matter... For each issue, we will present one of the questions and the answer to it.

"The first question is, 'Don't these operations [adversely] affect the accomplishments in preaching Islam (Da'wa), in the land of the two holy places [Saudi Arabia]?'

"... Those who present this question think that in this country, despite the spreading of corruption among the government and the rulers, and despite the tyranny of the despots and their arrogance regarding the rulings of Allah, there still remain in the country a vestige of good and some benefits in the field of preaching that the tyrants cannot eliminate in ordinary times. In contrast, waging Jihad in the Arabian Peninsula neutralizes these benefits and gives the enemies of the religion an excuse to eliminate them.

"The answer to this doubt is completely clear. Allah commanded fighting so that there will be no Fitna [internal strife] and so that the religion will be all for Allah. It is forbidden for a Muslim to agree to concessions and to evade the obligation incumbent upon him [in exchange for] a pinch of religion, a pinch of Shari'a law, and a pinch of religious ritual.

"On the contrary: The obligation according to the Shari'a as it is written in the Qur'an is that the religion will be all for Allah, and it is not possible to stop the fighting if part of the religion is for Allah and another part is for someone else."

Jihad Must be Waged Even Against Countries Tolerant of Islam

"Relinquishing the Shari'a obligation for some [religious] accomplishments is a situation that can happen in other countries too, and not only in the land of the two holy places [Saudi Arabia]. It can even happen in countries in which there is no dispute about the [obligation] to fight. In Palestine, for example, the Muslims have had accomplishments even under the Zionist occupation. They can preach to Allah, conduct their religious rituals, open schools, and conduct lessons in memorizing the Qur'an - while bearing the suffering of the loss of the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

"In all the countries, except for rare cases, there are accomplishments in the area of preaching and Shari'a interests. Even in America, the head of unbelief and the greatest enemy of Islam and the Muslims, the centers of preaching are still open. But just because they exist does not mean that it is permitted to halt the Jihad against America while it kills the Muslims and occupies their lands, defends Israel, and preserves it [Israel] from its enemies...

"My Muslim and Mujahid brothers, don't you see the Muslims being killed in Afghanistan and in Iraq?! Don't you see, on the television screens, the bereaved women crying out for the Muslims' help?! Don't you see the torn body parts of children, and their skulls and brains scattered...? Is it conceivable to agree to such a price for those [religious] accomplishments that you demand to preserve? Haven't you seen that the [American] military headquarters in the war were located in the Arabian Peninsula, and that its logistical support was located in this country - which the Prophet ordered cleansed of the polytheists?..."

We Must Act Now Before the U.S. Controls Mecca

The issue also includes a 'study' written by Yahyah bin Ali Al-Ghamdi, titled "The Years of Deception." In it, he writes: "[Some claim] that the blessed operations carried out by the Islamic youth against America and its helpers, such as the Bali operation and the blessed Tuesday operation in Riyadh, are not useful at all! They argue that these operations have not removed the enemy from the Arabian Peninsula and have not deterred America from continuing its aggression and oppression of the Muslims. All these operations have done is to distort the image of Islam and the Muslims and present them in the eyes of the West as people from the Stone Age, who apply makeup [made of] blood and perfume themselves with body parts!...

"Don't you know that the clerics have stated that Jihad becomes a personal duty if the enemy raids the land of the Muslims...? According to those [who disagree with this], a new formula should be put forth ... that Jihad will become the personal duty when the enemy attacks the land of the Muslims - only if the enemy can be repelled and vanquished, and only if the [Muslim] nation is completely prepared, and only if the ruler - and we do not know who this ruler is - will permit it...

"Do you want us to be like the people of Baghdad who were slaughtered like goats by the Mongols but remained silent, and were paralyzed by fear, and none waved a stick before the Mongols? The truth is that we must forgive the people of Baghdad because by waving the stick they would not have gained anything because the Mongols were not about to leave their country!...

"Every day we grow weaker and weaker. Every day America attacks us in another country, so what is preferable? That we act now while our veins still pulse, or that we wait until we see an American solder arranging the worshipers' entrance into the mosque in Mecca...?"

'The [Saudi] State of Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Wahhab Arose Only by Jihad'

In his article "The Experience of Jihad and the Dead End," Abu Abdallah Al-Sa'di answers those who argue that the Jihad movement has failed: "... It is completely forbidden from a religious perspective to use the defeat of the Muslims in this or that battle as an excuse to prevent voluntary Jihad and to refrain from joining the obligatory Jihad... Is it fitting that Allah's commandment to wage Jihad will be conditioned upon the success of [previous] attempts...?

"Covert and open Islamic groups have been trying for decades to establish the Islamic state, and so far they have made no progress, not even a single step, in this area. [This], while Jihad for the sake of Allah has managed to establish blessed states and entities that defended the Muslims and succeeded in applying Islamic Shari'a law for certain periods. The state of Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Wahhab [Saudi Arabia] arose only by Jihad. The state of the Taliban in Afghanistan arose only by Jihad. The Islamic state in Chechnya arose only by Jihad. It is true that these attempts were not perfect and did not fill the full role required, but incremental progress is a known universal principle. Yesterday, we did not dream of a state; today we established states and they fall. Tomorrow, Allah willing, a state will arise and will not fall..."

A New Al-Qa'ida Film

The Voice of Jihad also reported on a new film by the Sahab company, which produces Al-Qa'ida's films. The film, Badr Al-Riyadh, depicts the attack on "the Al-Muhayya Crusader settlements" during Ramadan of 2003, in November. The report claims that the Voice of Jihad obtained a copy of the film, which includes excerpts from the "wills" of the perpetrators of the attack, interviews with them, footage of them assembling the car bomb, ideological discussions regarding the religious legitimacy of carrying out attacks in Saudi Arabia, footage of the Al-Qa'ida members in camps in Saudi Arabia and of their training exercises, and an "audio-video" recording of the attack"

[PrivateIdaho]

Who said anything about "our little private world"? Anybody and everybody has always been welcome to contribute to this thread - of course, informative civilized contributions are more welcome than those that are not.

[Try2Discern]

I'm from Tennessee, but from the opposite side. I see someone's already posted a link for you, but I saw another one that was disturbing about the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant at Oakridge:

http://reviewappeal.midsouthnews.com/news.ez?viewStory=16840

200 keys missing?

[swarthyguy]

It's self service for you.

[hummingbird]

"That's it...no soup for mercy!"

[Lead Moderator]

Would someone like to help me with a bit of a demonstration?

[hummingbird]

What kind of demonstration?

[judicial meanz]

Grapefruit=500 to 100 yards

[liberallyconservative]

Yeah, I found that one too in my search. Sounds reminiscent of Los Alamos, doesn't it?

[Lead Moderator]

What I need is someone who is going to be around for a few minutes, who when I ask them to, would just start hitting refresh on this thread until I ask them to stop. Just hit refresh, wait until this thread loads, and when it does, hit refresh again. It shouldn't take more than a minute or two.

[PrivateIdaho]

Would someone like to help me with a bit of a demonstration?

Sure... it won't hurt will it?

[Cindy]

re post no. 59..."so GD exclusinve"

Well, mercy, that's not very nice.

[Revel]

I sent two emails. One to the side bar moderator and one to Jim Robinson. And one single email to another freeper. I did not send one to you. So I don't even no what email you are talking about. I also kept it between them and me. As you can see I did not come right on this thread and start comdeming you or FR. Now the sidebar moderator offered an explination. There are still some questons, but I was going to let it go. So now why are you wanting to post my short email here. Why did you not respond to me in private, and which email(to whom) are you reffering to?

[Cindy]

re post no. 67...

"all your talents would be better put to use in the main forum not clusterf--king with each other in your little private world."

Well, mercy that's not very nice.

[Lead Moderator]

I explained what I need to hummingbird in reply 84.

If either or both of you are willing, just reply with "Go ahead" and then start the refresh cycle until I post back to stop. Pay attention to the site's responsiveness during this experiment, if you would. Thanks

[Lead Moderator]

I have access to the community moderator accounts. So when you send mail to them, I may end up reading it.

[Neets]

Go A Head.

[Cindy]

On The Net...

http://www.sahab.net
http://www.sahab.org
http://www.sahab.com
http://www.sahab.cc
http://www.sahab.fm
http://www.sahab.ws

[PrivateIdaho]

OK - GO AHEAD - I'll refresh until I see "STOP"

[hummingbird]

I can do that. ("I'm smahrt like Fredo!)

[Letitring]

Well, he's right, it is a hard reality and very chilling. One, I might add, we have been trying to cope with. :)

[Lead Moderator]

OK, stop.

Did the site's responsiveness go to heck in a handbasket?

[swarthyguy]

Wait til the last chapter(s) on the Saudis.....

[Neets]

Yes...and it seemed to take forever to reload.