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Mr.Bush: What Would Jefferson Do?
OnlineArchive.org ^ | January 29 ,2004 | Sam Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 7:19:01 AM PST by Federalist 78

Thomas Jefferson probably wasn't an orthodox Christian.[1] Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton, and Mr. Carter claim to be Christians. In an election with those four running against each other, Jefferson, though dead, would get my Christian vote. A dead Jefferson would at least veto what a live Bush couldn't.

Between February 5, 1995 and March 17, 2002, Brian Lamb of CNN[2] asked Professor Thomas G. West, Michael Novak and M. Stanton Evans which men of the founding era do they consider most important. Only Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were mentioned by all three.

Christians who repeat the exhortation of John Jay, "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." - must also consider the advice of Noah Webster;" When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers, 'just men who will rule in the fear of God.'" [3]

Mr. Bush's "fear of God" is documented at BushRevealed.com .[4]

Mr. Bush's commitment to restoring this Constitutional compound Republic is documented by his actions as President:

1 - Mr. Bush stated the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act was probably unconstitutional (Justices Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas & Rehnquist agree)[5] and signed it anyway; violating the oath of office.

Mr. Jefferson responds:"The Constitutions of our several States vary more or less in some particulars. But there are certain principles in which all agree, and which all cherish as vitally essential to the protection of the life, liberty, property, and safety of the citizen...Freedom of the press, subject only to liability for personal injuries." [6] "Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it."[7] "The negative of the President can never be used more pleasingly to the public than in the protection of the Constitution."[8]

2 - Mr. Bush has proposed amensty for illegal aliens while failing to pressure congress into passing the Criminal Alien Removal Act Of 2003[9] (Clear Act) and failing to enforce existing federal immigration laws - violating Article IV, Section 4, U.S. Constitution: "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government and shall protect each of them against invasion and in application of the legislature or of the executive against domestic violence."

Mr. Jefferson responds:"[Is] rapid population [growth] by as great importations of foreigners as possible... founded in good policy?... They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their number, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass... If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship: but I doubt the expediency of inviting them by extraordinary encouragements." [10]

3 - Mr. Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001; described by Rep. Mike Pence (R.) 2nd District of Indiana in the U.S. House as "The largest expansion of the Department of Education since President Carter created it." He continued; " About 30 House conservatives fought against the bill, but we were soundly defeated by our own colleagues. Our Reaganite belief that education was a local function was labeled "'far right'" by Republicans, and the President signed the bill into law with a smiling Ted Kennedy at his side." [11] What about a No Child Left to an Abortionist Act, in accordance with Jefferson's "all men are created equal...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life...."

What would communists do? "The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions at state expense." - Karl Marx (1848) [12]

What would Jefferson say? "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." [13] "I fear, from the experience of the last twenty-five years, that morals do not of necessity advance hand in hand with the sciences." [14]

What would Jesus do? "Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God." Mark 10:14

4 - Mr. Bush signed the Medicare prescription drug bill that represents the single largest expansion of the federal welfare state since the Great Society programs of the 1960s.

Mr. Jefferson responds:"Having seen the people of all other nations bowed down to the earth under the wars and prodigalities of their rulers, I have cherished their opposites: peace, economy, and riddance of public debt, believing that these were the high road to public as well as private prosperity and happiness." [15] "I... place economy among the first and most important of republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." [16]

5 - Mr. Bush signed H.R. 2417 / Public Law 108-177, Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004.[17 ]

Again, Jefferson speaks from the dead to the brain dead: "Aristocrats...fear the people, and wish to transfer all power to the higher classes of society." [18 ] "[Montesquieu wrote in Spirit of the Laws, XI,c.4:] 'Constant experience shows us that every man invested with power is apt to abuse it, and to carry his authority as far as it will go... To prevent this abuse, it is necessary from the very nature of things that power should be a check to power.'" [19 ] "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." [20] "Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former, because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries." [21 ]

 6 - "Mr. Bush stated his support for the Assault Weapons ban during the 2000 campaign. A spokesman for the administration stated flatly that the President "'supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law.'" [22] Mr. Jefferson, please wake the dead: "Theconstitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." [23] "None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important." [24] "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion... We have had thirteen States independent for eleven years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half, for each State. What country before ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion?" [25]

The Second Amendment [26] prevents the Federal government from interfering with the right of people to revolt against the Federal government. It protects the right of individual ownership and the right of collective revolution. The automatic rifle is not even a spitball by comparison to the planes, tanks, submarines and nuclear weapons possessed by the standing army.

Bush's compassionate conservatism reminds me of the communist phrase,"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." His December 13, 2003, Saturday, signing of the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 (part of Patriot II ) which drastically expands FBI powers to secretly snoop into the business and financial transactions of American citizens, without a court order and his support of the Assault Weapons Ban, are two of the many incremental and necessary steps toward a police state. His signature on The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act is most revealing when compared to The Virginia Declaration of Rights, parts of which Jefferson used for the Declaration of Independence,"That the freedom of the press is one of the greatest bulwarks of liberty and can never be restrained but by despotic governments." [27] The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 greatly pleased Ted Kennedy, the National Educational Association, and anyone else who is enthused with the anti-Christian, anti-American, globalist, tree hugging, rock kissing propaganda shoved down the throats of unsuspecting children; not to mention the promotion of sexual anarchy by the sodomites and their advocates, or the monkey-to-man evolution, contrary to Jefferson's"endowed by their CREATOR." The Medicare prescription drug bill will enslave more to government than the white and black slave masters did on their plantations. The illegal alien amnesty plan promotes blatant disregard for the law and promotes the goals of the transnationalists who seek to further dilute the remnant notions of limited government and self-government, by designating immigrant groups as oppressed victims who are entitled to all the benefits of a welfare state, without the requirement to assimilate their benefactors tenets of responsible citizenship.

The difference between Mr.Bush and his Democratic opponent is not a difference in kind, but one of degree. Mr.Bush looks to the right for support, speaks to the center and governs increasingly to the left. Democrats have been saying for years, "I didn't leave the Democrat Party; the Democrats left me," as they found their way into the Big Tent of the GOP, which sacrifices principal after principal to remain in power. If Democrats can tread water long enough to keep from drowning in the river of denial and grab a life line from the Big Tent; can't those who have voted Republican just to defeat a democrat, grab hold of an Independent before being swept down the river of no return.

All who have been abandoned by the GOP must find an Independent Party. Michael Anthony Peroutka [28]is seeking the Presidential nomination of the Constitution Party. His themes are "God-Family-Republic," and, unlike Mr. Bush, he wants to restore our original representative Constitutional republic. The American Patriot Party and the America First Party have similar objectives, but were started after the last Presidential election and may not have a Presidential candidate ready for November.

Mr.Bush and his RNC tacitly apporove of the Naziesque federal judicary inducement of the American abortion holocaust; equating the unconsitiutional opinion of seven modern day Herods with "settled law." The RNC is too busy spending like drunken sailors[29] to force the federal judiciary into compliance with the U.S. Constitution, by using the tools of impeachment, jurisdiction restriction, and appointment.[30 ] Jefferson indicts your inexcusable feebleness: "It will be said, that [a federal] court may encroach on the jurisdiction of the State courts. It may. But there will be a power, to wit, Congress, to watch and restrain them."[31] Most democrats are socialist/communist/globalists. When you have to vote for those who tacitly approve of a Nazi judicary just to defeat the party of Stalin - what in the name of a Jeffersonian Right-to-Life Republic have you accomplished?

A GOP Presidency and Congress provide no incentive for either of those two branches to check/balance the other, as they inflate their Big Tent to accomodate the humps and rumps of every strange camel whose nose has been sniffing the entitlements from under the flaps since Bush 41. Wouldn't a GOP Congress check a Democrat President, or would they send him checks to sign on the taxpayers account; thereby proving to the most deluded of Republican cheerleaders @ FreeRepublic.com - home to the enablers of profligate addicts pillaging at the public trough - that the only hope of achieving their stated goals is to embrace a Party which champions those objectives as a priority instead of a campaign platitude to be discarded after the election. If your vote for an Independent President results in Mr. Bush's defeat this November, you will have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

The National Election Study conducts national surveys of the American electorate in presidential and midterm election years and carries out research and development work through pilot studies in odd-numbered years. Their 7-point scale Party Identification Table[32] reveals the level of dissatisfaction with the two major parties.

From 1952-2002, only 30%, on average, expressed strong sentiment toward the RNC & DNC combined. 36.5% expressed weak sentiment toward the RNC & DNC combined. 31.5 % expressed an Independent identification and the apolitical averaged 2%.

From 1992-2002, Independent Party identification exceeded Democrat Party identification by 1.5%, and DNC identification exceeded RNC identification by 8%. The RNC is presently in control of the Presidency and Congress, with only 27% weak to strong identification since 1992.

It is time to declare INDEPENDENCE [33] from the RNC/DNC socialist, transnational progressive complex. According to Jefferson, "It is the steady abuse of power in other governments which renders that of opposition always the popular party." [34]

Only God and Mr. Bush knows his commitment to Biblical principal. "Our Saviour... has taught us to judge the tree by its fruit, and to leave motives to Him who can alone see into them.".[35] As long as Mr. Bush refuses to lift a finger, or raise his voice against the unconstitutional abortion holocaust [36] allowed by the federal judiciary; his commitment to family and to humanity itself is nonexistent. "The source most often cited by the founding fathers was the Bible, which accounted for 34% of all citations. Deuteronomy was the most frequently cited book of the Bible."[37] "Jesus often quoted from Deuteronomy. In fact, it is almost invariably from this book that He quotes."[38] Deuteronomy 5:17 "You must not murder."[39] As for Country, Mr. Bush stated on a Fox News interview by Brit Hume aired 22 Sept 03, "Yes. You know, look, I have great respect for the media. I mean, our society is a good, solid democracy because of a good, solid media."[40] Mr. Bush should read "Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News", by Bernard Goldberg and leave a copy in the White House, so that no other President gets left behind.

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Notes, Quotes & Antidotes for what ails the feeble Republic.

[1] Was Thomas Jefferson an enemy of God? - by Steve Farrell

http://www.sierratimes.com/04/01/15/farrell.htm

[2] C-SPAN's Booknotes

http://www.booknotes.org/archives/

[3] Importance of Voting

http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=22

[4] http://www.bushrevealed.com/

[5] McConnell v. Federal Election Comm'n

http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-1674.ZS.html

[6]Thomas Jefferson On Politics & Government

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/index.html

Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:489

[7] Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, 1786. Ibid #6

[8] Thomas Jefferson: Opinion on Apportionment Bill, 1792. ME 3:211. Ibid #6

[9] H.R. 2671 The CLEAR Act of 2003

http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/clearact.html

There are upwards of 400,000 individuals who have received final deportation orders that are hiding in our communities. Their appeals have run out, and those orders tell them, "it's time to go." But, the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement can't find them! What's worse, 80,000 of those people have criminal convictions, just like Miguel Angelo Gordoba! They were in the hands of our law enforcement. Can you imagine opening the doors of our prisons and letting 80,000 criminals run back into the streets? Well folks, that's exactly what has happened with these 80,000 criminal aliens. What's more, 3,800 of those people with final deportation orders are from countries with a known Al-Qaeda presence.

[10] Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.VIII, 1782. ME 2:118. op.cit. #6

[11] Article is adapted from the keynote address delivered at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Jan. 22, 2004, in Arlington, Va. http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=2896

[12]Who's Responsible for Children's Education, Their Parents or the State?

http://www.sepschool.org/misc/faq.html

[13] Thomas Jefferson (1777)

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/biog/ljn0010.htm

[14] Thomas Jefferson to M. Correa de Serra, 1815. ME 14:331. op.cit. #6

[15] Thomas Jefferson to Henry Middleton, 1813. ME 13:202. op.cit. #6

[16] Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816. ME 15:46. op.cit. #6

[17]Stealth Legislation Undermines the Constitution, by John W. Whitehead

http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/commentary.asp?record_id=260

[18]Thomas Jefferson to William Short, 1825. ME 16:96. op.cit. #6

[19]Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book. op.cit. #6

[20]Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1787. op.cit. #6

[21]Thomas Jefferson: Report on Spanish Convention, 1792. op.cit. #6

[22]Assault Weapons and Assaults on the Constitution

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2003/tst042103.htm

[23]Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. ME 16:45. op.cit. #6

[24]Thomas Jefferson to -----, 1803. ME 10:365. op.cit. #6

[25]Thomas Jefferson to William S. Smith, 1787. ME 6:372. op.cit. #6

[26] The Revolutionary Second Amendment

http://www.law.ua.edu/lawreview/mcintosh512.htm

[27] The Virginia Declaration of Rights

http://www.jmu.edu/madison/virginia.htm

[28]http://www.peroutka2004.com/about.html

[29]Drunken GOP Sailors

Even Bill Clinton and a Democratic Congress didn't spend like this.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004579

[30] The U.S. Constitution v. rebellious federal judges and cowardly republicans

http://www.sierratimes.com/04/01/16/samadams.htm

[31] Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:133. op.cit. #6

[32] http://www.umich.edu/~nes/nesguide/toptable/tab2a_1.htm

[33] New Conservative Magazine Declares Independence From GOP

Conservative Battleline Online To Speak For Limited Government Conservatives Against Big Government Right

Donald Devine, a vice chairman of the American Conservative Union Foundation, announced the publication of a new online conservative journal of opinion to be called ConservativeBattleline, located at conservativebattleline.com.

Current features include: the Republican Party as the new welfare state party, the limits of the Bush plans for democracy in Iraq, the culture wars, the GOP sell out on Medicare and critiques of National Review, The Weekly Standard and The Wall Street Journal, among others.

http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/031210.asp

Breach of Trust: How Washington Turns Outsiders Into Insiders,by Tom A. Coburn , John Hart (Author)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0785262202/qid%3D1072976496/sr%3D2-1/ref%3Dsr%5F2%5F1/002-4896322-2362461

[34] Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1818. FE 10:106. op.cit. #6

[35] Thomas Jefferson to Martin Van Buren, 1824. ME 16:55. op.cit. #6

[36] National American (Abortion) Holocaust Memorial

http://cpforlife.org/id51.htm

He who destroys his own children…who wrecks the handiwork of G-D…brings hunger, plague, and the sword upon the world." —Zohar, Shemos (Exodus)

"Abortion is murder, plain and simple." —Rabbi Moshe Sternbuch, Da Ma Shetoshiv

http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm

[37] No knowledgeable Christian would dispute the importance of the Book of Deuteronomy. Certainly we should take note of the fact that this book is cited more than 50 times in the New Testament. Counting allusions to Deuteronomy, the instances of New Testament use would increase to nearly 200 times. Deuteronomy was our Lord's favorite Old Testament book. Henrietta Mears has written: Jesus often quoted from Deuteronomy. In fact, it is almost invariably from this book that He quotes.

http://www.bible.org/docs/ot/topics/deffin...creation-13.htm

[38] Two professors, Donald S. Lutz and Charles S. Hyneman, reviewed an estimated 15,000 items, closely analyzing 2,200 books, pamphlets, newspaper articles, and monographs with explicitly political content printed between 1760 and 1805. They reduced this number to 916 items, encompassing about one-third of all public political writings longer than 2,000 words.

For these items, Lutz and Hyneman identified 3,154 references to other sources. The source most often cited by the founding fathers was the Bible, which accounted for 34% of all citations. Deuteronomy was the most frequently cited book of the Bible.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/094...5440757-5428006 (page 78)

[39] NET BIBLE

22tn Traditionally "kill." The verb here (jxr) is generic for homicide but in the OT both killing in war and capital punishment were permitted and even commanded (Deut 13:5, 9; 20:13, 16-17), so the technical meaning here is "murder."

http://www.bible.org/netbible/deu5.htm

As of January 5, 2004, twenty-eight (28) states have enacted laws which recognize unborn children as human victims of violent crimes covered by state laws. Fifteen (15) of these states provide this protection throughout the period of in utero development, while the other 13 provide protection during certain specified stages of development. These laws are sometimes referred to as "fetal homicide" laws.

http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/Statehomicidelaws092302.html

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act (S. 1019) would recognize as a legal victim an unborn child who is injured or killed during commission of a federal crime against the baby's mother. A substitute amendment to be offered by Senator Dianne Feinstein would increase penalties for federal crimes against pregnant women - but would recognize only one victim, the mother, and without recognizing any loss of human life if the mother survives the assault. Sharon Rocha, mother of Laci Peterson and grandmother of Conner Peterson, has called such a single-victim proposal "a step away from justice, not toward it." But what does the general public say? If a criminal assaults a woman who carries an unborn child, does that crime have two victims, or only one? Here are three recent national polls on that issue.

http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/UnbornPolls110703.html

[40] The full text of President Bush's exclusive interview with Fox News' Brit Hume aired Monday night, September 22, 2003

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98006,00.html

Media's Liberal Voice Comes Across Louder Than Rush Limbaugh

And this symphony has long been considered to be liberal -- that is, first of all, largely populated by liberals and, second, often presenting the news from a liberal point of view. Has this been true? Is this still true?
As to the first, there is no question that journalists as a group are much more liberal than conservative and much more so than the general public. The independent media analyst S. Robert Lichter looked at 10 major surveys on the political beliefs and voting patterns of mainstream print and broadcast journalists from 1962 to 1996. As Lichter writes, "the pattern of results is compelling.'' The percentage of journalists who were classified as "liberals'' were, survey to survey: 57, 53, 59, 42, 54, 50, 32, 55, 22 and 61. The percentage classified as "conservative,'' survey by survey: 28, 17, 18, 19, 17, 21, 12, 17, 5 and 9. Voting patterns and findings on specific issues (for instance, regarding abortion, gun control or taxes) have consistently mirrored these general attitudes.
Surveys since have shown no overall change in this dynamic. A 1996 survey of 1,037 reporters at 61 newspapers found 61 percent self-identified as "Democrat or liberal" or "lean to Democrat or liberal," vs. only 15 percent Republican or leaning Republican. A 2001 survey of 301 "media professionals" by Princeton Survey Research Associates found 25 percent self-identified as "liberal," 59 percent as "moderate," and only 6 percent as "conservative."
http://www.sltrib.com/2002/Dec/12122002/commenta/10340.asp


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1 posted on 02/02/2004 7:19:03 AM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Federalist 78
Jefferson launched a full scale war against Muslim terrorist countries---only one of which had actually declared war againt the U.S.---without a declaration of war. In that, he and Bush are quite alike: both understood that national security is the central issue of any government.

By the way, I could take this list and compare many of the things GEORGE WASHINGTON did with the Constitution (there is no "cabinet" in there, for example) and find them questionable. But Jefferson doesn't hold a candle to GW in my book. Washington, that is.

2 posted on 02/02/2004 7:34:49 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
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To: Federalist 78
Mr. Bush has proposed amensty for illegal aliens while failing to pressure congress into passing the Criminal Alien Removal Act Of 2003 [9] (Clear Act) and failing to enforce existing federal immigration laws - violating Article IV, Section 4, U.S. Constitution: "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government and shall protect each of them against invasion and in application of the legislature or of the executive against domestic violence." [15]

"I... place economy among the first and most important of republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared."

Jefferson speaks from the dead to the brain dead: [19] I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere. Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former, because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries."

Mr. Jefferson, please wake the dead: "Theconstitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." [23]

The difference between Mr.Bush and his Democratic opponent is not a difference in kind, but one of degree. Mr.Bush looks to the right for support, speaks to the center and governs increasingly to the left.

can't those who have voted Republican just to defeat a democrat, grab hold of an Independent before being swept down the river of no return.

All who have been abandoned by the GOP must find an Independent Party. Michael Anthony Peroutka [28]is seeking the Presidential nomination of the Constitution Party. His themes are "God-Family-Republic," and, unlike Mr. Bush, he wants to restore our original representative Constitutional republic.

Wouldn't a GOP Congress check a Democrat President, or would they send him checks to sign on the taxpayers account; thereby proving to the most deluded of Republican cheerleaders @ FreeRepublic.com - home to the enablers of profligate addicts pillaging at the public trough - that the only hope of achieving their stated goals is to embrace a Party which champions those objectives as a priority instead of a campaign platitude to be discarded after the election. If your vote for an Independent President results in Mr. Bush's defeat this November, you will have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

It is time to declare INDEPENDENCE [33] from the RNC/DNC socialist, transnational progressive complex. According to Jefferson, "It is the steady abuse of power in other governments which renders that of opposition always the popular party." [34]

As long as Mr. Bush refuses to lift a finger, or raise his voice against the unconstitutional abortion holocaust [36] allowed by the federal judiciary; his commitment to family and to humanity itself is nonexistent.

3 posted on 02/02/2004 7:58:20 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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4 posted on 02/02/2004 8:03:48 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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5 posted on 02/02/2004 10:26:05 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: Federalist 78
A few observation on your main points:

  1. Mr. Bush stated the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act was probably unconstitutional (Justices Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas & Rehnquist agree)[5] and signed it anyway; violating the oath of office.

    Well, he is a president, not a jurist. He expressed an opinion. We'll all argue he should veto. But his basic oath is to faithfully execute the office and uphold the Constitution. He has fulfilled his basic constitutional duties as commander in chief and chief diplomat and executive of the domestic civil service.

    Still, he should have vetoed. CFR muzzles many of the most effective conservative grassroots organizations. But there are ways around it. His main reason to sign it was, of course, that the Dims are so dumb they put themselves at a considerable fundraising and propaganda advantage. They've finally figured this out but too late. They drank their own Koolaid for election '04 at least.

  2. Mr. Bush has proposed amensty for illegal aliens while failing to pressure congress into passing the Criminal Alien Removal Act Of 2003[9] (Clear Act) and failing to enforce existing federal immigration laws - violating Article IV, Section 4, U.S. Constitution: "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government and shall protect each of them against invasion and in application of the legislature or of the executive against domestic violence."

    Your strongest point, I think. The most fundamental duty is to protect the citizens and to do it by controlling borders. Bush follows in the dereliction of duty by predecessors, including Reagan. He can't fix it all at once but his proposed solution is no fix at all.

    His proposal appears DOA in Congress. But he shouldn't bring it up, signalling as he has that he intends to violate his fundamental duty.

    And a War On Terror that mostly safeguards only airliners is pretty dumb. You could assemble hundreds of terrorists to stream over the southern border for a major terrorist act. Our current security measures do very little to address the threat posed by the open southern and northern borders.

  3. Mr. Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001; described by Rep. Mike Pence (R.) 2nd District of Indiana in the U.S. House as "The largest expansion of the Department of Education since President Carter created it."

    Many of us fought this into the ground. It is part of his father's original Goals 2000 program, adopted and extended by Clinton, re-embraced by Bush 43. It is unconstitutional by any standard. When libs destroy the constitution by inserting their fantasies like Roe, we all see it clearly. But when they make a grab for education, on grounds just as weak, it seems many people like to give them a free ride.

    Bush campaigned on this so people had adequate warning. I am part of the group of conservatives who had this one beaten into the ground, dead and buried, until Bush resurrected it for no good reason. Naturally, we are pursuing other methods of making this another huge failure. We do not give up so easily as Mr. Rove thinks. This ain't over yet.

  4. Mr. Bush signed the Medicare prescription drug bill that represents the single largest expansion of the federal welfare state since the Great Society programs of the 1960s.

    Okay, I'll give you this one on the Pill Bill. No excusing it especially with so much other wild spending.

    However, Bush doesn't hold the federal checkbook, Congress does. Bush can request any spending he wants but if Congress writes hot checks, it's their fault. If their spending is unconstitutional, the courts are at fault for failing to protect the rule of law under the Constitution.
  5. Mr. Bush signed H.R. 2417 / Public Law 108-177, Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004.[17 ]

    I have to give him a pass on this one. Not sure what your specific complaint is.

  6. "Mr. Bush stated his support for the Assault Weapons ban during the 2000 campaign. A spokesman for the administration stated flatly that the President "'supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law.'" [22]

    Again, disturbing. Real ignorance of the constitution. However, we had DeLay and others in Congress to stop it. I've often wondered if Bush offered this as an election ploy to get elected (neutering the anti-gunners in campaign 2000) and has offered to sign it again only to torment the Dims who know full well that gungrabbing cost them the '94 congress and hastened the realignment of the South to the GOP.

    Still, no excuse for such a flagrant attempt at gungrabbing. Even if Bush/Rove was only being clever and political about it, such talk and scheming would be dangerous. It shows, along with Patriot Act, a dismissiveness toward the Constitution. Of course, he's hardly the first adminstration that operates that way.


6 posted on 02/02/2004 11:12:02 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: B4Ranch; Federalist 78
"A dead Jefferson would at least veto what a live Bush couldn't."

Not only that, but Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Lincoln, Reagan and any president worth their salt would not for one second stand by and offer up our borders, sovereignty, jobs, and heritage for the sake of political convenience.

Need I name names?

7 posted on 02/02/2004 11:14:23 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
Need I name names?

Please do, of with both parties to show the differences between them!

8 posted on 02/02/2004 11:25:08 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: Happy2BMe
Well, Reagan had his own amnesty. At least that time, Reagan could claim it hadn't been tried. I thought it was a cynical exercise as there was no attempt made to control the borders afterward. Something of a black mark on the Reagan legacy for many of us.

Bush didn't exactly invent the don't-call-it-amnesty thing.
9 posted on 02/02/2004 11:32:12 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: George W. Bush
"I thought it was a cynical exercise as there was no attempt made to control the borders afterward."

That was twenty years and twenty illegal migrants ago.

"No attempt to control the border" can be equally shared by each succeeding President since Reagan.

Including George Bush.

10 posted on 02/02/2004 11:35:04 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: George W. Bush
Correction: That was twenty years and twenty MILLION illegal migrants ago.
11 posted on 02/02/2004 11:36:03 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: George W. Bush
"It shows, along with Patriot Act, a dismissiveness toward the Constitution. Of course, he's hardly the first adminstration that operates that way."

Because he's not the first, does this mean we should continue to allow the destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights until the United Nations steps in for the final coup de grais?

I will vote 3rd Party because I am scared for America. I don't want another shooting civil war but I will not shrink from the possibility because it is better than losing everything. If we can fight and die in other countries for their freedoms, we MUST be willing to do the same for ourselves!

12 posted on 02/02/2004 11:37:55 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: Happy2BMe
Okay. Then we are in some agreement, it seems.

But in this amnesty matter, Bush unfortunately appears to be a Reagan Republican. You have to wonder if Mr. Reagan would have done his amnesty and still left the borders so open if he knew what we know now about the effects but that's just speculative. We'll never really know.
13 posted on 02/02/2004 11:41:46 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: George W. Bush
"But in this amnesty matter, Bush unfortunately appears to be a Reagan Republican."

That, sir just doesn't sound right.

Please define the "type" of Republican partisanship that George Bush is demonstrating in "this amnesty matter".

Ears wide open.

14 posted on 02/02/2004 11:48:01 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: B4Ranch
Because he's not the first, does this mean we should continue to allow the destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights until the United Nations steps in for the final coup de grace?

Not at all. But we must look at the overall picture as voters and activists. On a flat litmus test of constitutionalism, we would have to conclude that we should flee to a remote island. Since we're not going to do that, we need to find ways to uphold rule of law and the Constitution.

One of the most effective things you can do is to sign up for email action alerts with the Liberty Committee. We are a constitutionalist group. We start every fight in Congress with over 20 congressmen including Paul, Tancredo, Hostettler and more. We don't beg for money and we don't sell your name. It's about the cheapest and most effective way to advocate for constitutionalism and the conservative agenda.

I will vote 3rd Party because I am scared for America.

I understand your position and I am the last person to try to tell you that your vote doesn't belong to you or that a vote for candidate C is actually a vote for candidate B. This is obvious nonsense since a vote can legally only belong to the candidate for which it was cast.

But we have to understand that our votes must mean something. The few times we've seen successful third parties form, it is on the corpse of a predecessor. There are no indications that either major party will fall apart in the next two elections. So you have to be committed to a third party and determined to stay with it for many years, the rest of your life. And for it to succeed, one party or the other must implode.

Those remarks are directed toward third parties in national politics where they function as spoilers mostly. However, the best thing you can do to promote a new party is to elect local candidates and produce some results. And then when you try for state offices and even federal office, you have candidates with some experience in government. The voters don't generally trust amateurs with high office.
15 posted on 02/02/2004 11:51:16 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Please define the "type" of Republican partisanship that George Bush is demonstrating in "this amnesty matter".

I'm just saying that Bush isn't the first president to try the amnesty thing. And Reagan is the only one who did it before.

Just thought that mentioning Reagan's amnesty might liven the discussion a little.
16 posted on 02/02/2004 11:52:51 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: George W. Bush
"Just thought that mentioning Reagan's amnesty might liven the discussion a little."

Closing the border with Mexico would'nt hurt any either.

17 posted on 02/02/2004 12:00:18 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: George W. Bush

One of the most effective things you can do is to sign up for email action alerts with the Liberty Committee. We are a constitutionalist group. We start every fight in Congress with over 20 congressmen including Paul, Tancredo, Hostettler and more. We don't beg for money and we don't sell your name. It's about the cheapest and most effective way to advocate for constitutionalism and the conservative agenda.

Thanks for posting that link and those three who are attempting to restore Constitutional sanity. It's a shame the RNC refues to follow Paul, Tancredo, Hostettler .

18 posted on 02/02/2004 12:23:11 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: George W. Bush
The U.S. Constitution Party is getting my vote because I am praying that if they get enough votes they will be invited to the Primary Debates. Hopefully, they will have a decent debater there which will inform the rest of America, who has never even heard of them, that there is another option.

Bush, Kerry, Dean or whomever will surely continue down the road we are going.....destruction by suicide. Just maybe in four years the people will have had enough and be willing to try the U.S. Constitution Party as a last resort.

It would be nice if Ron Paul and/or Keyes would step up in 2008 as candidate for the U.S. Constitution Party but we'll see what happens. I'm sure whoever steps up with adequate backing will be a serious contender.

I can't just sit back and continue voting republican party. 35 years of trying to keep the Democrats out of the White House hasn't done a damn thing for America!

Trying to change a Congressman who has been reelected 5 times isn't going to work either, he's too comfortable and too well paid not to follow party lines. Thinking for himself is beyond what he is capable of, as we have seen for too long.

19 posted on 02/02/2004 12:24:41 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: B4Ranch
By all means, vote.

But do the things you can do now.

If you can't get your congress-RINO or Dim to listen, then go after Tom DeLay and other fiscal conservatives. Help support the activist efforts of Liberty Caucus, now meeting in secret to plan their strategy.

Hoping for the worst to elevate your savior-party just isn't practical. It may never happen. Do the things you can do now.

BTW, if you're really determined, there is a line of strategy you can even use to persuade a Dim congressman to help you achieve your goals. Not all Dims, but some of them may respond to such tactics, seeing in them a partisan advantage to themselves. Naturally, they're still evil people but you can make use of them if you're cursed with living in their district. No reason not to try. I certainly won't let my Dim senator (one of the more conservative ones) off the hook just because he's a Dim.
20 posted on 02/02/2004 12:50:27 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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