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Are we NOW witnessing the end of the Gulf Stream as we know it ?
https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/OTIS/US058VMET-GIFwxg.OTIS.glbl_sstanomaly.gif ^ | February 02, 2004 | self, navy.mil

Posted on 02/02/2004 11:54:07 AM PST by Truth666

January incredible Atlantic records continue.


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Incredible what's going on along the Gulf Stram path.
1 posted on 02/02/2004 11:54:08 AM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666
Are we NOW witnessing the end of the Gulf Stream as we know it?

No.

2 posted on 02/02/2004 11:56:58 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Truth666
Ummm..

You do understand that's a Sea Surface Temperature ANOMALY map, don't you, not a Sea Surface Temperature map?

It shows ANOMALIES, that is, deviations from the long-term average for a given area of ocean. There's nothing strikingly out of the ordinary in the Atlantic Ocean at the moment. It's normal for most of the ocean to be somewhat above or below "normal" temps.

You'll note on a plain SST map, the Gulf Stream is still clearly visible:

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/OTIS/US058VMET-GIFwxg.OTIS.glbl_sst.gif

If you look at an SST map you'll
3 posted on 02/02/2004 11:58:50 AM PST by John H K
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I don't know if you have read the strange, but also verifiable, issue where the poles switch polarity. Supposedly, things like what is happening to the Gulf Steam and our goofy weather patterns are more explainable as the lead up to that than mythical 'global warming' issues.
4 posted on 02/02/2004 12:01:04 PM PST by Lightfinger
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To: Truth666
Man, I'm misinterpreting all the titles today . . . I thought this was about an airplane.
5 posted on 02/02/2004 12:04:19 PM PST by LibWhacker (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: Truth666
What a shame. Such a fine airplane.
6 posted on 02/02/2004 12:04:20 PM PST by Riley
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To: Lightfinger
I don't think there's anything particularly goofy about weather patterns. The weather is ALWAYS weird.

It's possible over the next thousand years or so that the MAGNETIC poles could switch but there's no known connection with weather to such a flip at all.
7 posted on 02/02/2004 12:05:48 PM PST by John H K
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To: LibWhacker
Dang it-- beat me by ONE LOUSY SECOND.
8 posted on 02/02/2004 12:07:05 PM PST by Riley
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To: John H K
I do understand that it's an anomaly map.
The main changes I'm referring to, since late December are :
- what starts looking like a new branch between Canada and the west coast of Greenland
- the Azores branch getting considerably stronger
9 posted on 02/02/2004 12:10:57 PM PST by Truth666
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To: Riley
Lol . . . You'll get me next time. :-)
10 posted on 02/02/2004 12:11:23 PM PST by LibWhacker (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: Riley
I love the Gulfstream's and their big oval windows. I have some found memories from flying on them.
11 posted on 02/02/2004 12:13:13 PM PST by DFW_Repub
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To: Truth666
Maybe we can take this up again when hurricane season changes.
12 posted on 02/02/2004 12:13:31 PM PST by onedoug
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To: LibWhacker
ROFLOL Me too.
13 posted on 02/02/2004 12:14:42 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Spirit/Opportunity~0.002acres of sovereign US territory~All Your Mars Are Belong To US)
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To: Truth666
I've been looking at the FNMOC anomaly maps for, oh, a good five years. Particularly during tropical season, but less during the winter, but probably at least 150 times a year.

There's nothing at all strikingly odd about that map at all.

And it can show odd "anomalies" where none exist due to a variety of complex factors.

It's highly likely that that super-warm anomaly in the Labrador Strait doesn't ACTUALLY "exist" due to oddities of how FNMOC Otis works on the edges of ice packs.
14 posted on 02/02/2004 12:17:10 PM PST by John H K
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To: Truth666
It's the end of the Gulfstream as we know it, and I feel fine.
15 posted on 02/02/2004 12:17:26 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Professional Engineer
That's right, we ran into each other on the other thread about routers, lol. What's next? (I hope I interpret it to be a story about a bunch of furry little rodents abandoning ship.)
16 posted on 02/02/2004 12:20:54 PM PST by LibWhacker (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: Truth666; John H K
Of course it's an anomaly map... it wouldn't be very anomalous to post a link to the non-anomaly map, would it? What would be the anomaly in that? (Sorry, that's just a fun word...)

Face it, the gulf stream is going haywire, Europe will be encased in ice within two decades, and the "seasons will become confused."

We're all gonna die!

17 posted on 02/02/2004 12:21:41 PM PST by Gerasimov (My last tag line sucked, so now I have this one.)
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To: Truth666

18 posted on 02/02/2004 12:21:50 PM PST by fishtank
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To: farmfriend
ping
19 posted on 02/02/2004 12:25:00 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Truth666
Incredible what's going on along the Gulf Stram path.

I too have been worried about the Gulf Stram. I fully expect the Sun to rise in the West in the near future.

20 posted on 02/02/2004 12:31:38 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother ("Never trust a RAT with anything" - Angelwood)
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To: Truth666
What I notice is an area of much warmer than normal water in Baffin Bay (between Green and Baffin Island and a La Nina building.

The warmer water off Greenland is troubling, will that cause a greater number of icebergs to be calved?

21 posted on 02/02/2004 12:31:52 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neoconservative Power Vortex)
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To: Mike Darancette
What I notice is an area of much warmer than normal water in Baffin Bay

My point earlier is that it is HIGLY likely that that "anomaly" doesn't even exist at all.

FNMOC Otis is an algorithm using satellite data, and it can be "screwy." One area where it's often "screwy" is in high-latitude areas near ice packs.

22 posted on 02/02/2004 12:39:26 PM PST by John H K
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To: Truth666
Bring that button here and I'll sew a vest on it.
23 posted on 02/02/2004 12:40:30 PM PST by edger (he)
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To: John H K
One area where it's often "screwy" is in high-latitude areas near ice packs.

Hope so, but that is a rather large area.

24 posted on 02/02/2004 12:45:43 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neoconservative Power Vortex)
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To: Mike Darancette
I've seen a lot bigger, such as a supposed dark-brown warm anomlaly covering all of Hudson Bay for weeks.

Actually, the one interesting thing about the current anomaly map is the cooling of the eastern ENSO (El Nino) area.

ENSO has been vaguely neutral for a long time, it's POSSIBLE a weak La Nina might be developing.
25 posted on 02/02/2004 12:49:41 PM PST by John H K
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To: edger
I heard Art Bell discussing this in Apocalyptic terms this weekend, so you know it has to be a load. I think the "global warming" people are getting a little nervous, 'cause Europe's been experiencing some very cold winters of late. Maybe the greenie weenie commies will go back to the "nuclear winter" theory of the '70s, by which pollutants in the upper atmosphere were going to block the sun's rays, resulting in an icy "nuclear winter". Or maybe the Left will combine their favorite parts of both theories into the "Unified Theory of We Must Have a One-World Government Right Now or We're All Gonna Die"!
26 posted on 02/02/2004 12:52:07 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: fishtank
Chuckle. Now, that's the Gulfstream that came to my mind.
27 posted on 02/02/2004 1:04:10 PM PST by Darnright
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To: LibWhacker
I was afraid it was the racetrack.
28 posted on 02/02/2004 1:06:56 PM PST by wordsofearnest (It ain't the whistle that pulls the train.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And please note the surface temperatures in the Atlantic this week have been way below average. Also the radar is showing heavy storms and tornados in the midwest. The radar is also showing a couple hundred ICBM's inbound so don't sweat the storms folks! [hippy dippy weatherman] Boy that's good coffee.
29 posted on 02/02/2004 1:16:28 PM PST by Indie (KILL EM ALL AND LET ALLAH SORT EM OUT)
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To: Truth666
http://www.navlog.org/warming.html
30 posted on 02/02/2004 1:16:41 PM PST by pabianice
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To: pawdoggie
One problem with all the really neat near-real time geophysical and meteorological data open to the public on the web is that they hear nonsense from Art Bell and his minions about various things relating to the earth, and then run off to websites they don't really understand and haven't really looked at over the long term and start looking for oddities.
31 posted on 02/02/2004 1:32:11 PM PST by John H K
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To: John H K
I hope your not including me in that group ...
32 posted on 02/02/2004 1:35:20 PM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666
It's just past 4:30pm here in the east and I'm wondering if we're witnessing the end of the daylight as we know it.
33 posted on 02/02/2004 1:36:52 PM PST by laredo44 (liberty is not the problem)
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To: Lightfinger
the strange, but also verifiable, issue where the poles switch polarity

It's an issue for those with magnetic compasses who drive east in the morning to go to work and west in the evening to go home.

34 posted on 02/02/2004 1:42:08 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Indie
Here is what I mean - the data : 1/2
Bookmark  Climate Robot: New York/JF Kennedy Airport
Analysis(Month)
Min. Temperature in January
1997 1998 1999 2000 Year
-2.8 1.5 -2.1 -3.9 [°C]
96 93 100 90 Data availability[%]
         
2001 2002 2003 2004 Year
-2.9 0.7 -5.2 -6.7 [°C]
100 100 96 96 Data availability[%]
             
Averaged Value in January  ( 1997 - 2004)  : -2.7 °C
             
             
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35 posted on 02/02/2004 1:46:22 PM PST by Truth666
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To: pabianice
the data : 2/2 (about the same latitude as NYC, mid Atlantic)
Bookmark  Climate Robot: Flores
Analysis(Month)
Min. Temperature in January
1997 1998 1999 2000 Year
12.7 11.8 13.1 13.7 [°C]
96 100 100 100 Data availability[%]
         
2001 2002 2003 2004 Year
13.6 11.6 14.3 15.7 [°C]
96 77 77 100 Data availability[%]
             
Averaged Value in January  ( 1997 - 2004)  : 13.3 °C
             
             
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Forecasts Current Weather History Climate Water Geo Webcam

36 posted on 02/02/2004 1:52:50 PM PST by Truth666
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To: Lightfinger; Truth666; Eala; dubyaismypresident; maxwell; Cyber Liberty
More accurately:

The North magnetic pole is now rapidly (dozens/hundreds of miles per year) moving from its old position near the Hudson Bay shore north and over towards Russia.

More importantly, it is decreasing in intensity "rapidly" ...

Previous magnetic pole switches have been shown to happen over a period of very few years (tens of years, not thousands), based on earlier magnetic changes in successive sheets of lava.

So, interesting things are going on all over, right?
37 posted on 02/02/2004 1:59:16 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
now THAT was an important reminder
38 posted on 02/02/2004 2:03:46 PM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666
Now keep in mind that these 15.6° C measured at 39° 30' N beat any measured monthly minimum average of any station closer to the poles than 33° paralell ever ... except for another Azores station located at 37°N, which during the same period, i.e. last month, measured 16.1° C.
39 posted on 02/02/2004 2:15:03 PM PST by Truth666
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Are we NOW witnessing the end of the Gulf Stream as we know it ?

What a shame. That was my favorite track in South Florida.

40 posted on 02/02/2004 2:16:36 PM PST by fso301
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To: John H K
I'd just be happy if they'd tell me the temperature of Lake Guntersville, so I'll know when to go bass fishin'.

Semper Fi,
41 posted on 02/02/2004 2:30:56 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
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To: fso301
Hey years ago we had water heaters with that brand name too but I haven't seen them in ages!
42 posted on 02/02/2004 2:32:49 PM PST by xp38
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To: Truth666
Well, there is a theory that inversions of the gulf stream will cause drastic weather changes. Right now Europe is relatively warm, despite its high latitudes, because the warmer water of the Gulf Stream is on top of the ocean. There's a cold current, too, that flows beneath. The theory says that turbulence between warm and cold layers, or even an outright inversion, can cause things like ice ages.
43 posted on 02/02/2004 2:44:31 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Truth666
Are we witnessing the end of the Gulf Stream as we know it?"
No. We may be witnessing a temporary cessation of the flow, as we know it, but it will be back, just as it has ceased and begun again previously.

44 posted on 02/02/2004 3:06:31 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: JackRyanCIA
Will these flowers in Flores island survive it ?
46 posted on 02/02/2004 4:32:08 PM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666

47 posted on 02/02/2004 4:34:37 PM PST by perfect stranger (No tag line text found. ERROR 7c240000-10e36. This application will be terminated.)
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To: Riley
What a shame. Such a fine airplane.

Maybe it's the trailer instead of the plane they're talking about.

48 posted on 02/02/2004 4:37:53 PM PST by N. Theknow (Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
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To: laredo44
Like day light, nothing lasts forever.
In the 15th Century, until the discovery of America this part of the western coast of Flores was the only point on Earth where you could see the end of the world (31º 16' 24" West) right in front of you.
Today it's just the last sunset point of the world for a while.

49 posted on 02/02/2004 4:59:40 PM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666
Lots of things never seen before taking place around September 15, 2003. 511 years after the discovery of America ...

entering again uncharted territory.

Temps - warmest summer ever measured in Europe
Ozone depletion at record size. Data about depth being withhold !
largest ice shelfs breaking
Climate change - first measurable economic consequences
2003 - The oil industry has lost half its exploration season to the warmth in Alaska
50 posted on 02/02/2004 5:04:31 PM PST by Truth666
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