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Ex-Presidents, Johnson Widow Call for JFK Film Probe
AP via TBO ^ | February 2,2004 | Lynn Elber

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:20:27 PM PST by John W

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1 posted on 02/02/2004 6:20:29 PM PST by John W
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To: EggsAckley
Ford or Bird?
3 posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:13 PM PST by John W
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To: John W
Ford, noting he was the last surviving member of the Warren Commission that determined Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy

And for that, he is just as guilty as the other conspirators... an accesory after the fact.

There is NO WAY Oswald did that shooting in the manner the Warren Commission claims.

To believe the Warren Commission, you must believe the Magic Bullet Theory.


4 posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:36 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe
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To: leadpenny
Ping.
5 posted on 02/02/2004 6:39:49 PM PST by Lucy Lake
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To: John W
Lyndon B. Johnson was not involved in the JFK assassination. He was, however, the most destructive politician this country has ever produced. His grave should be dug up, the coffin should be opened, and used as an outdoor toilet.
6 posted on 02/02/2004 6:41:41 PM PST by jordan8
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To: jordan8
58,000 dead

Don't be to sure about JFK. That SOB had the most to gain.
7 posted on 02/02/2004 6:46:20 PM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: John W
I was an 11-year-old kid when Kennedy was assassinnated. As a naieve kid I was always perplexed why everyone was asking whodunnit, it just seemed apparent to me to look at the new guy sittin' on the throne.
8 posted on 02/02/2004 6:51:10 PM PST by The Duke
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To: yall
Ford, noting he was the last surviving member of the Warren Commission that determined Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy, called the History Channel documentary "reprehensible."


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Ford, the last surviving member of the Warren Commission that claimed Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy, ----- by calling the History Channel documentary "reprehensible", - assured himself a place in presidential history as the blackest kettle to go to pot..
9 posted on 02/02/2004 6:55:41 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: jordan8
LOL. A little over the top, but hilarious!
10 posted on 02/02/2004 6:57:10 PM PST by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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To: jordan8
There is a new book out "Blood, Money & Power: How LBJ killed JFK" by Barr McClellan. The author was a part of the law firm that represented Lyndon Johnson. He has a lot
of evidence in the book. Johnson was part of a grand jury investigation in 1984 and the grand jury concluded that he was a part of a conspiracy to murder a man named Harry Marshall. The killer [of Marshall] was one of the men McClellan alleges was a shooter at the assassination, his fingerprint was there at the Book depository on the same floor where Oswald was. The Marshall killing was just before the assassination. I have an open mind on the subject, the author has a lot of evidence but some evidence is still in documents that won't be released until 2028.
I can't say for a certainty that LBJ did order the assassination, but he did have motive and McClellan does have a good bit of evidence.
The History Channel might have it right. It would be nice if it were not true, you wouldn't want to think that something like that was possible, but the evidence should be examined before the idea is dismissed.
There is a website for the author that has some of the evidence and a chapter of the book posted online.
http://www.barrmcclellan.com
11 posted on 02/02/2004 7:10:51 PM PST by hoosierpearl (One nation under God.)
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To: John W
Other Johnson aides scheduled to participate are Jack Valenti, now head of the Motion Picture Association of America; journalist Bill Moyers; and attorney Larry Temple.

Well The History Channel and it's owners have stepped in it this time.

LadyBird and Carter represent the Democrat Establishment
Bill Moyers represents the Liberal TV establishment.
Jack Valenti is the Hollywood Establishment.

There are no do-gooders left to come to their defense.

So9

12 posted on 02/02/2004 7:14:08 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: John W
LBJ didn't do it. It was the military-industrial complex, aided by future SUV owners.
13 posted on 02/02/2004 7:17:10 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Lunatic Fringe
You have an apt screen name.
14 posted on 02/02/2004 7:21:30 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
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To: John W
LBJ was probably the most ruthless SOB ever to inhabit the White House. No way will we ever know for sure, but it was certainly within his character to have done it.
15 posted on 02/02/2004 7:21:52 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I thought Arlen Spector was also involved with the Warren Commission report?
16 posted on 02/02/2004 7:24:51 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Lunatic Fringe
There is NO WAY Oswald did that shooting in the manner the Warren Commission claims.

Well, if you believe Peter Jennings, Oswald was more than capable of such pinpoint shooting.

Let's see. . . to hear Pete tell it, Oswald got off three shots in five and a half seconds with a marginal weapon, scored two hits, including a fatal head shot on a moving target going away from him. And Pete would never lie about such a thing. Dear me, no.

Wow. . . those Marines sure know how to shoot.

17 posted on 02/02/2004 7:25:39 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: John W
Is this a probe into John F'ing Kerry's before and after films of the Botox incident?
18 posted on 02/02/2004 7:25:48 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: The Duke
As always with murder, qui bono?
19 posted on 02/02/2004 7:25:50 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: ErnBatavia
Anyone with elementary knowledge of physics can clearly see that the Magic Bullet theory was a lie. Particularly since the biggest lie of the Theory is that the bullet hung in mid-air for almost 2 seconds between Kennedy and Connally.

I'm not sure I believe all the theories that the government, the FBI, Secret Service, the military, and the mob all conspired together... But why is it such a wild theory that more than one person conspired to kill JFK?
20 posted on 02/02/2004 7:28:38 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe
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To: hoosierpearl
LOL!! Barr McClellan has the stellar Billy Sol Estes, he of thrice-convicted swindling fame, as a character witness that convinced this grand jury of Johnson's guilt.

A grand jury, remember, can indict a ham sandwich. It can't convict anybody of anything.

21 posted on 02/02/2004 7:29:53 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Rummyfan
I thought Arlen Spector was also involved with the Warren Commission report?

Specter was one of the biggest advocates of the Magic Bullet.

22 posted on 02/02/2004 7:30:09 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe
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To: John W
Oswald: "I'm a patsy."

Ruby: "I've been used."

Find out why these remarks were made and the 'conspiracy' will unravel.

I use the word, 'conspiracy' loosely, as it was no conspiracy, IMO. It was an operation. The only people who didn't know about it was the general public and JFK.

23 posted on 02/02/2004 8:00:35 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: All
Gee, I hope this leads to just how Rasputin's evil twin LBJ and Ladybird got so rich on about 36K a year (I believe that was a Senator's salary in his day) and just maybe Ladybird will be forced to give it all back or go to jail.
24 posted on 02/02/2004 8:03:30 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: sinkspur
I know about Billy Sol Estes character. If a person wants to do something illegal, who do you do it with, the local Boy Scout troop?
Do you have any thoughts on the Texas Ranger who testified, Peoples was his last name. Is he a scumbag too?
You are correct about Billy Sol Estes but he wasn't the only witness. Nor the only evidence.
Your comment about grand juries is correct, but Johnson's lawyers [law firm] should have responded to the charge but didn't. That was one of the points McClellan talked about in the book.
25 posted on 02/02/2004 8:08:43 PM PST by hoosierpearl (One nation under God.)
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To: Rummyfan
I thought Arlen Spector was also involved with the Warren Commission report?

Yes, he was. I had to pull out my copy of the Warren Report I bought secondhand somewhere. Its a rare copy in that the cover is upside down for some reason. The people on the commission are separated on Page iii are separated into 3 groups:

At top are 7 principle members: Chief Justice Earl Warren, Senator Richard B Russell, Senator John Sherman Cooper, Rep Hale Boggs, Rep Gerald Ford, Allen Dulles and John McCoy.

Then there is J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel with 14 assistant counsel including Arlen Specter.

Then at bottom are 12 staffers. So maybe Ford means he is the last of the 7 main members charged with conducting the investigation.

26 posted on 02/02/2004 8:19:10 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Lunatic Fringe
correction...Specter is THE author of the Magic Bull$hit theory.


Here he is as a young Warren Commission staffer explaining his theory...

27 posted on 02/02/2004 8:29:50 PM PST by Keith (IT'S ABOUT THE JUDGES)
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To: tpaine
Ford, noting he was the last surviving member of the Warren Commission that determined Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy, called the History Channel documentary "reprehensible."

Ford, noted loudly that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy, hoping that he would thereby not end up missing like fellow Warren Commission member and House Majority Leader Hale Boggs, who had called for the reopening of the investigation into JFK's murder.

On the day of October 16, 1972 when Boggs was to catch a plane ride with a fellow congressman from Alaska in his privately piloted light plane, a mixup left Boggs unable to reach the airfield in time for the takeoff. Helpfully, a young intern from the office of Arkansas Democratic Senator J. William Fulbright drove Boggs to make his appointment just in time, one of the last witnesses to see Boggs alive.

Like Gerald Ford, that helpful intern later became the president of the United States. But Bill Clinton probably *has no recollection* of the events of that day.

28 posted on 02/02/2004 8:37:29 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Loyal Buckeye; Ignatz; ntnychik; Reaganwuzthebest; Tares
LBJ didn't do it. It was the military-industrial complex, aided by future SUV owners.

So who made the previous attempts on JFK in Miami and Chicago, timed to coincide with the removal of President Diem in Vietnam?

29 posted on 02/02/2004 8:43:31 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The picture you posted is a complete and utter fabrication of the relative positions of Kennedy and Connally. Connally was in a jump seat much lower than Kennedy, turned around to the right waving at the crowd, and the bullet holes were not positioned as you have them depicted. Do not get your evidence from Oliver Stone movies!

Go here and read up:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm

30 posted on 02/02/2004 8:50:24 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Cicero
LBJ was probably the most ruthless SOB ever to inhabit the White House. No way will we ever know for sure, but it was certainly within his character to have done it.

Had LBJ remained a senator, he'd probably be thought of as one of the most respected and effective leaders in that office, if a ruthless one; as VP and president, he was horribly outclassed and stepped into a role for which his previous experience had not prepared him. It left him with the legacy of being a defeated president unable to face the humiliation of a probable second term candidacy defeat, and as the national leader ultimately responsible for the deaths of thousands of American soldiers pursuing a failed Vietnam policy.

It was much more within his character to have been brought in on the operation after it was a fait acomplii, to use his new power to ensure that the *official version* of the events prevailed. It seems unlikely that professionals planning the JFK removal would have trusted LBJ in advance, other than with tentative triual balloons about conduct if something very unlucky should happen to president Kennedy.

-ar5chy-/-

31 posted on 02/02/2004 8:52:11 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Euro-American Scum
Oswald got off three shots in five and a half seconds

As if that is difficult! LOL! You've never shot a rifle have you?

32 posted on 02/02/2004 8:53:07 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Too bad Posner didn't get a bigger advance for his book. Then he could have afforded to buy a rack-grade Carcano and proven how easy it was to make the shots...
33 posted on 02/02/2004 8:53:10 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.")
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To: hoosierpearl
That was one of the points McClellan talked about in the book.

Of course. McClellan has a book to sell.

34 posted on 02/02/2004 8:55:27 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
sinkspur wrote:

LOL!! Barr McClellan has the stellar Billy Sol Estes, he of thrice-convicted swindling fame, as a character witness that convinced this grand jury of Johnson's guilt.


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LOL!! Here we have the stellar 'sinky', he of FR fame as an expert judge of character, trying to convince us that Johnson was an honest man.

I'd rather believe a swindling Billy Sol Estes.


35 posted on 02/02/2004 9:01:15 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: tpaine
LOL!! Here we have the stellar 'sinky', he of FR fame as an expert judge of character,

That I am, paine.

Now, drag yourself out of the gutter.

36 posted on 02/02/2004 9:03:04 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
This photo of Kennedy taken during his autopsy shows a back wound much higher up on his back (and consistent with a straight-line entrance/exit) than your drawing depicts. Why would you lie about such a thing and show a lower wound in your drawing?


37 posted on 02/02/2004 9:06:47 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: sinkspur; tpaine
before I post an opinion on this thread would someone tell me the official FR position? Don't want to be wrong.

Pass the kool aide.

38 posted on 02/02/2004 9:06:57 PM PST by breakem
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To: tpaine
What have you done, Billy Sol, Billy Sol?
What have you done, charming, Billy?
You have stolen every cent
From the US Government
And spent it all of fertilizer
Which is silly.

(Don't remember the source.)
39 posted on 02/02/2004 9:07:01 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: sinkspur
Good lord, anyone that questions you is in the gutter?

Get over yourself.
40 posted on 02/02/2004 9:07:02 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: tpaine
I think the logic is, hire a murderer so when he testifies against you you can say "who can believe a murderer." Not many preachers privy to murder conspiracies.
41 posted on 02/02/2004 9:09:44 PM PST by breakem
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To: Lunatic Fringe
This photo of the limo with the door open shows how Connally's seat is about six inches lower than Kennedy's. Your drawing shows them sitting at the same height. Having Connally six inches lower will place the projectile on a straight line exiting Kennedy and entering Connally. Your drawing shows them sitting at the same height and dislaces the trajectory. Why would you lie about such a thing?


42 posted on 02/02/2004 9:10:06 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Eastbound
Oswald: "I'm a patsy."

He also said...(I'm paraphrasing here)...."I am waiting...umm..for someone...umm....to come forward....."

Haunting words, indeed. I was 7 when JFK was killed, and remember my mom saying even then that Oswald didn't act alone, if at all. My older sister read a copy of the Warren Report right after it came out, and said it was garbage.

43 posted on 02/02/2004 9:10:10 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
QED: your knowledge of physics is just that...elementary. Nothing whatever in the evidence demonstrates your claim that the bullet "hung" in mid-air for 2 seconds, and your angular drawing is so completely contrary to fact (i.e., the actual positions of the President and Governor Connolly at the time of the shot) as to be laughable. Why not do some actual research for yourself rather than spout the lunacy du jour of the conspiracy nuts?
44 posted on 02/02/2004 9:14:21 PM PST by TrueKnightGalahad (It's time for us to reclaim the hill of classical Liberalism from the reactionary left.)
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To: breakem
breakem wrote:
before I post an opinion on this thread would someone tell me the official FR position? Don't want to be wrong.


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Whatever position you take, it could be construed as disruption..

It depends on who sees your stance as an insult, and your motive in being so fractious..
Your crime is in the eye of the beholder.
45 posted on 02/02/2004 9:15:55 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: tpaine
Starting with actual facts would be good.
46 posted on 02/02/2004 9:17:42 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: hoosierpearl
Very good post. I agree that we shouldn't assume that Johnson ordered it, but it's obvious he was instrumental in carrying it out. JFK made a lot of enemies and Hoover was wacky when it came to the civil rights movement, thinking that civil rights leaders were part of a communist conspiracy, so I think that they all got together and decided to do it for America, in their eyes, Johnson more for himself. Johnson had the connections to do the job, what with his way of operating when it came to Henry Marshall.
47 posted on 02/02/2004 9:18:21 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: FreedomCalls
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus3.gif
48 posted on 02/02/2004 9:19:14 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: #3Fan
but it's obvious he was instrumental in carrying it out.

"Obvious"?

49 posted on 02/02/2004 9:19:50 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: John W
BRING IT ON!!
50 posted on 02/02/2004 9:20:42 PM PST by Ann Archy
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