[JustPiper]

Another great source for teaching kids and teens the ropes is:

Child Lures -Welcome to Child Lures Prevention Home of the Child Lures Community Plan >> Here on CHILDLURES.ORG, you'll find the most effective personal safety resources available for parents, educators, professionals, and most importantly, children. The Child Lures Prevention Community Plan is based on author Kenneth Wooden's original groundbreaking research

Parents, loved ones , I urge you to read,save this thread and teach it to your children well, please!

[Steve Eisenberg]

Utter nonsense. There is no scientific basis to know what child behaviors will work here, and if we knew there would be no way to teach it reliably.

[Steve Eisenberg]

"If you hold that bike, and do not let go, it's impossible to put you in a car," Stuber said.

This underestimates the strength of a desparate and determined adult, and any kidnapper is going to be VERY desparate and determined.

If locked in a trunk, remove the taillight panel which comes off easily, and disconnect the taillight wires. "Now you increased the odds 50 percent that the police will pull the car over because it has not brake or tail lights," Stuber said, "then they will hear you inside."

50 percent of what? It takes weeks on average for the police to notice. This 50 percent figure is the smoking gun proving the irresponsibility of this advice.

Adults are responsible for not being kidnappers. Children are not responsible for their own kidnapping.

[JustPiper]

Carlie Brucia, 11
SARASOTA, Florida (CNN) -- The video of a man who approached 11-year-old Carlie Brucia in a carwash parking lot led to the arrest of Joseph Smith, according to a woman who lives with him.

[savedbygrace]

Always rotate the arm to break free of the grip if restrained.

Also, rotate TOWARD the abducter's thumb. It's usually a weaker grip on that side than the other.

[JustPiper]

Ping!

[SouthernClaire]

I didn't read the entire article. Didn't need to in order to reach an opinion on that written during the first bit.

I have a daughter.

I have a daughter who was put through a sad, but necessary, bit of education.

She cried. (No parent wants to see that.)

She screamed, "This isn't FAIR!"

Exactly. "That's the point."

It's sad but true that we, as parents, can almost adapt to our children watching such as MTV, etc., but be shy about slamming them, grabbing them, in an attempt to get across life-saving points. Too harmful... too humiliating. "School admin wouldn't approve..."

Let me please, time and time again, humiliate mine to the point she realizes a life-saving strategy.

Is it fair? Hell, no. But that's the world in which we live because WE have decided that what's shown to our kids will never effect "us" personally.

Right.

We now find ourselves protecting our loved ones against the very things we thought wrong but not so wrong as to raise a voice against.

It's a sad day... for all of us. For our little innocents the most, though. My goodness, what have they done other than be brought into this world?

The next time any of us decide that it's all a matter of "freedom of speech" and the extension of that liberty, imagine another taking liberty with it and liberty with a child.... your child .... "'cuz it's all ok... just take a look around my world... it's a freedom of speech, of art, don't you see?"

I'm ranting, I know. Sorry. But it hurts so to see people get filthy in blaming others for what they've, themselves, contributed to.

In that I mean, it's great to them that their own are protected and that seems good enough. Well, it's not.

There are some kids who need moms and dads watching for them. Looking for them on their way from the school bus to the house. Watching and asking questions.

Just like those "good, old days" I used hear about.

They're kids, for crying out loud. Babies, even. We have now people literally yanking them from the streets. Then we all rely on Amber Alerts, blame the cops if not found, blame the parents, ....

Yah. Ask ourselves who has sat back and said, 'never will this effect me and mine?

God Bless the Little Ones,

C.

[JustPiper]

Have at it Rebel Rouser ;) My kinda girl!

[BibChr]

But that Child Lures site doesn't seem to have anything much except ads to buy their stuff. Or did I miss something substantial?

Dan

[BibChr]

ping

[GatorGirl]

Very good post.

I'd like to add one thing. A while back, I was listening to someone (TV or radio, I don't know) and they said to teach your children not just to scream and kick and yell, but to actually yell "help" and "this is not my daddy/mommy!!!" so people wouldn't assume the crying, kicking, screaming child is merely having a tantrum.

Anything to give that child a chance to get away! Thanks! GG

[spunkets]

" they can learn techniques to resist and escape predators"

I got a Buck Special for Christmas when I was a kid. Just the right tool for an effective defense. In those days though, very few of the adults would be mad if the kids hacked up the molester.

[Quix]

GREAT ADVICE.

I'D SUGGEST PRACTICING A VARIETY OF ROLE PLAYS AT LEAST MONTHLY FOR 6-8 MONTHS UNTIL IT BECOMES VIRTUALLY 2ND NATURE TO THE KIDS--REGARDLESS OF THEIR COMPLAINTS OR TEASING ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT to practice.

[trussell]

Excellent post JustPiper. Bookmarked, so I can refer to it and teach my kids the valuable lessons included in this article.

My children were taken 2 years ago by their father. Just disappeared one day while I was at my vo-tech classes. My daughter was 6 and my son was 21 months. My daughter is very frightened by the idea of being abducted by her father or a stranger. This may help to give her peace of mind. I have already told her to never go quietly!! Always scream, and kick, and bite, and punch.

[Freedom2specul8]

Just posted this on another thread...would do good here too.

I just heard about the following website on the local news. I debated about whether I should post it or send it freepmail. I chose to post it...I don't endorse it, but leave it to YOU decide for YOURSELVES whether you think it could be a valuable tool.

If you want on or off either of these lists, please let me know...

http://perverted-justice.com/ Here is an excerpt from the associated article:
channel 9

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Is a pedophile living in your neighborhood? A controversial Web site may have the answer. It's a Web site that actually catches local men trying to arrange sex with kids online, KMBC's Jeremy Hubbard reported.

[spunkets]

My initial comment was just a quick summary. The article from CNN had one useful piece of advice that I remembered, that was to fight back. The other was provided by a poster after a story, that was to have the right focus and attitude.

When the kids are young the parents have to watch at all times. There is no way they can be left out of sight. During that time they can be taught and later weaned at a pace that depends on their ability to demonstrate safe independent action to the hidden observer-the ever watchful perent.

What they are taught is very important if they are to really be able to defend themselves. Defense relies primarily on focus, attitude and skills. Both the CNN article and the Child Lures Prevention site fall far short of worthwhile material that would provide for an effective defense. Both for the parent as a teacher and the kid. Although they fall short, there is still some good stuff there. They also sell books w/o posting the content, or enough to know what you're buying.

Here's an example which indicates the mortal shortfall in their entire plan.

" Stress the importance of reporting rumors or threats of violence, including bomb threats and weapon possession by schoolmates. Reinforce that reporting can be done anonymously, but that school officials must be told for the safety of everyone."

They push nonviolence, ignorance, dependence and obfuscate the true nature of any confrontation the kid will experience. It's a clash of minds and will. They teach unabashedly that weapons possesion is a bad thing. The kid needs to know how to look around and improvise in a flash. For instance, some of the members of the flight that went down in PA on 9-11 attempted to boiled water to toss it on one, or more of the hijackers. Their reaction should have been for one guy to take the coffee maker and use it as a bludgeon, another to crack the pot and use it as a knife and another to take the cord and use it as a whip. There is also little use for a boxcutter against someone with a jacket, or shirt wrapped around their sleeve attacking with jabs, kicks and blocks, all at the same time.

That was just a mention of some of the skills. The others include being aware of your surroundings and the people in it, w/o making much of a conscious effort to do so. Being able to read the folks in those surroundings.

Like some others on the thread noted, martial arts schools are the best places to learn these things. Finding one that is worth it is work though. No aerobic type, community center dance and fun type, or simple method learning. You're after improving the mind primarily. The object is to gain the focus, attitude, self confidence, awareness and physical defensive skills to ward off an attack w/o even getting physical. The physical skills are usually never enough to overcome the attacker, it's the mental ones that will. That's what those other sites lack.

What a student is looking for first in one of those places is the what the school's owner and instructors offer the mind(as above). A good school will offer you that right away and let you know that the physical ain't coming soon and in many cases, not at all. That's, because it's a way of life. It's a way of life that differs from what the 2 above mentioned sites offer. Still, you'll learn that rotating your arms in a circle is one of the dumbest moves you can make. At least they will teach you an extremely effective attack, which in itself is the defense.

The best schools I have ever noted are the hard schools, Wing Chun, karate, ect. The only one I know offhand is the Degerburger(sp) academy in Chicago that teaches all arts and they tend to have pro instructors, that teach pros. Books are good too. For keeping other peoples hands off, wing chun has the best defensive stance and it's improved and illustrated by Bruce Lee( no it's not movie stuff) in The tao of wing chun, B. Lee. Other books are out there, but I don't remember the names.

With teaching from all sources, a kid will grow and never be a victim.

[thecabal]

Unfortunately, it looks like they found Carlie's body. It breaks my heart to see that security cam tape of her being lead away to the slaughter by that filthy piece of s***. Hopefully, this will teach people to fight back. Once you are taken away, your chances are slim.

[JustPiper]

Parent Resources

The original and definitive Child Lures Prevention home educational materials have taught millions of parents and children alike the essential personal safety and victimization prevention strategies.

http://www.childlures.com/parents/index.asp

[JustPiper]

Kristine Ford along with her son Bradon 3, place flowers and a bear at the carwash Friday, Feb 6, 2004, where officials say Carlie Brucia was abducted in Sarasota, Fla. The body of the 11-year-old girl whose abduction was captured by a surveillance camera, was found in a church parking lot a few miles from the car wash Friday and a mechanic has been charged with her murder. (AP Photo/David Kadlubowski)

Kurt Schorpen, right, uncle of 11-year-old Carlie Brucia, walks with an unidentified friend in front of a privacy barrier screening the family home Friday, Feb. 6, 2004, in Sarasota, Fla., past notes, flowers and stuffed animals left by supporters. Carlie's body was found Friday in a church parking lot, and a mechanic has been charged with her murder. Her abduction Sunday was captured by a surveillance camera. (AP Photo/Steve Nesius)

With a heavy heart I post this, Carlie I'm so sorry for what happened to you, you are now God's Angel and I ask him to have taken you home quickly. For Carlie's parents, your pain is so intense I could not comprehend it, but as a parent/grandparent my soul hurts for you.

Mechanic Charged in Slaying of Fla. Girl 9 minutes ago
By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer

SARASOTA, Fla. - A tattooed mechanic with a long rap sheet was charged with murder Friday after authorities found the body of an 11-year-old girl whose kidnapping was captured on a carwash surveillance camera.

Mechanic Charged in Slaying of Fla. Girl

[the invisib1e hand]

can't help but think how much safer society would be if the just would arm themselves.

[Oorang]

Morning JP and a big thank you for this thread.

This link, IMO, needs to be posted again. ChildLures.com

Folks, send this link to anyone on your email list with children, grandchildren, etc.

BTTT!