Punk the prez? - Moby's anti-Bush tricks

New York Daily News ^ | 2/09/04 | Rush & Molloy

[kattracks]

One of Sen. John Kerry's celebrity supporters is ready to pull out all the stops to get him elected. Republicans are shrieking over a suggestion by rocker Moby that Democrats spread gossip about President Bush on the Internet. "No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on Election Day," Moby tells us. "It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes."

Moby suggests that it's possible to seed doubt among Bush's far-right supporters on the Web.

"You target his natural constituencies," says the Grammy-nominated techno-wizard. "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion.

"Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'"

Moby didn't claim that he believed the abortion story.

Last month, Bush did propose reforms to immigration policy. But he insisted, "I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship [because it] perpetuates illegal immigration."

Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson likened Moby's proposal to "dirty campaign tactics we're already seeing from John Kerry."

"His campaign was willing to use these kinds of voter suppression tactics against members of his own party in Iowa and New Hampshire," Iverson says. "John Kerry is a hypocrite. He pledged to run a clean campaign. Then he uses the lowest form of gutter politics to impugn his opponents, Democratic and Republican. It's unfortunate but this is probably just the beginning of the kind of tactics we're going to be seeing from John Kerry in the months to come."

Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said, "I doubt that Moby was suggesting anybody suppress the vote. We did not use any dirty tactics against any candidate.

"When it comes to dirty tricks the Republic party wrote the book. We've already seen Republican attacks and we haven't even won the nomination yet. The Republican Party is clearly afraid of John Kerry."

[snip]

With Ben Widdicombe and Suzanne Rozdeba

Originally published on February 8, 2004

[kattracks]

I think some of Moby's friends are already here.

[texasflower]

Yes, kattracks, I believe you are correct.

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=36284

[swilhelm73]

hmm...

"No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on Election Day," Moby tells us. "It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes."

Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said, "I doubt that Moby was suggesting anybody suppress the vote.

So does the definition of "suppress", like the definition of "is" before it, vary when Democrats need it to?

And kattracks, you may be on to something about the Moby-bots invading FR. There has been rather alot of such criticism along these lines of late, and leftists do nothing so well as follow orders...

[Dont Mention the War]

Moby wouldn't want nasty rumors about him spread, now would he? Nor would he want his web site's bulletin board overrun by Republicans, now would he?

[weegee]

One thing that the article does not address is that when these Democrat Bush Haters come to a conservative forum to play their agitprop games and tell long disproven lies, they will hoot and holler about "censorship" when they are banned. The left lies - often and loudly.

[Hawkeye's Girl]

Yup, unfortunately.

A lot of people here who don't like Bush are fine folks and great members of this forum, but we ignore the stealth disruptors at our peril. The number of "I'm a conservative but I'm not voting for Bush because of INSERT FRINGE ISSUE HERE" posts has drastically increased and not all of them are legitimate discussion by actual conservatives.

It's really too bad since not agreeing with the President doesn't make one a troll, but if we aren't aware that the left is trying to infiltrate and weaken this website, we're completely naive.

[Fledermaus]

Who is Moby?

I've never heard of him

[NYCVirago]

I think some of Moby's friends are already here.

Yep. And the silliest thing about Moby's idea is that he's just told the world the plan. Like a good pseudo-intellectual, he's so pleased with the cleverness of his scheme, that he had to let everybody know his little diabolical ideas.

[Fledermaus]

I love their assumptions of intelligence:

They're not going to feel sure anymore whether the person they are talking to and agreeing with or the person they are arguing against is real, or a dual stringing them along.

There's going to be entire threads of duals arguing back and forth. Everything said a Sheeper agrees with may just be a set up.

We've been setting up duals and sleepers for the past three years now. Some are pretty quiet. Some are pretty high profile. And we register new ones every day.

Like WE will have NO IDEA who they are. They actually believe they are smart enough to maintain a certain personality over time and not slip up! HA! (then again I might be one of the sleepers! oh no!!!!)

[NYCVirago]

Moby is this stupid techno artiste who sells out all his songs to commercials. He's perhaps most famous for being dissed by rapper Eminem.

[weegee]

Celebs hate it when they get conservatives talking politics on their "entertainment" forums. Of course these same entertainers will spout politics in the entertainment culture all the time and even their forums will rally up liberal causes and talking points.

What they mean is that conservatives should be quiet and put some ice on it if they don't like it.

I wouldn't advise posting anything on their sites. They will cite the most typoed or hate filled example and then mention how much traffic came from Free Republic (or some such site). Margaret Cho's administrator made these type of claims and then sent her rabid fans to FR to cause problems (they were directed to a linked thread that contained none of the racist comments that (s)he alledged).

[Fledermaus]

Just like all the Bond villians! LOL

[kattracks]

The only Moby I've ever heard of is Moby Dick. I'm sure there's some relationship between the two.

[Fledermaus]

Okay, that cleared it up. Who is Moby? lol

[swilhelm73]

In a way this is an extention of something the left has done for some time. They will often claim to be a moderate Republican, or a moderate, and claim that they are outraged by some Republican leader's stance, that is well within the norms of normal conservative and American thought.

Then with a little detective work you find out the supposed moderate/moderate Republican voted for Nader last election because Gore was "too far right wing"...

The press loves this trick of course, and, I presume, seeing as they are leftists themselves, are fully aware of the deception involved.

[Hawkeye's Girl]

Nobody listens to techno!

[MEG33]

FYI

[weegee]

We should compile a list of the companies who are using his songs for commercials and boycott them. Cut him off (it was the major source of income for him a few years ago and the primary reason for the gains in his recording career).

Defund the left.

[Texasforever]

The only Moby I've ever heard of is Moby Dick. I'm sure there's some relationship between the two.

Well shut my mouth.

[Fledermaus]

Cho has infiltrators? Boy, that's GREAT news for FR! The more left wing idiots that think they can come here and "play games" just makes the point this the the place to be!

WTG Jim Robinson!

[Fledermaus]

Can you give me one of his commercial songs so I can maybe have a reference... I seriously have no clue who this Moby is.

[weegee]

Maybe he'll also tell the media that it's okay to call "Florida" in the 2004 election when the EST time zone polls close; after all there is no "harm" in convincing several thousand voters to head straight home rather than voting when they get off work in the CST Florida panhandle.

[texasflower]

Yeah, I got quite a laugh out of their little fantasy going on over there.

The cyber-rape thing was adorable wasn't it?

They are pretty easy to spot that's for sure, but they sure think they are being clever.

(But wait, maybe I'm one of the sleepers, not you.)

Oh no, I'm all confused now. Maybe their plan is working.

Idiots! That Eris guy sounds like a real prize.

[Hawkeye's Girl]

He makes crappy techno music.

Heard of "We Are All Made of Stars"?

[NYCVirago]

Hey, Moby thinks it's okay to spread vicious, untrue rumors about Bush's life; maybe we can start a rumor that Moby is a closeted straight guy!

[NYCVirago]

You're making me laugh just by posting that picture! That is the face of a vegan -- why doesn't PETA use him in their "vegan men are sexier" commercials?

[weegee]

Cho-Time for Moby vs. Drudge (FR Mentioned) (Posted on 01/23/2004)

[Fledermaus]

Never heard of it.

[Fledermaus]

Aw, the "it was comedy" excuse!

Can I take a baseball bat and beat the crap out of Alec Baldwin and call it a comedy routine too?

[weegee]

Alec Baldwin made that claim later when he threatened to get the crowd with him and murder a Republican congressman and his family during Clinton's impeachment.

[weegee]

No need to spread false rumors. The truth about "Moby" is painful enough. Here are the words of someone who disected "the artist's" sellout to crass commercialism:

Moby Sells Out By Tim Grierson (excerpt from opening and closing paragraphs of lengthy editorial about Moby)

All 18 songs from Play have been licensed for a film or a TV show or a commercial or a trailer, an unprecedented feat. The record will go platinum soon — a happy exception to the rule that really exciting, unconventional music won’t be able to reach the mainstream.

But instead of taking satisfaction in this fact, I can only see what looms over the horizon when band promoters take their own lessons from Play’s success. Moby might have deservedly crossed over, but we the listeners will be the ones who get screwed over in the process.

Not long ago, legitimate rock ‘n’ rollers would consider under no circumstances selling their songs to advertisers. Only hacks did that — musicians with no integrity. [snip]

Maybe songs just aren’t important anymore. They’re simply shallow, dumb, mindless drivel, and they’re not worth caring about or even respecting. There’s nothing artistic about them. Anybody can do it. A song is just a tool to get you to spend money — it manipulates your emotions for somebody else’s purposes.

That’s funny, because I thought Moby was trying to do more than that with Play....

[MEG33]

"I think some of Moby's friends are already here"..Count on it.

[NYCVirago]

He's a total sellout, isn't he? Moby is now most known for (take your pick): his insipid liberal politics, his selling out his songs to eeevvvil corporations (Billy Joel always got called a sellout, but he's never sold any of his songs for commercials), and his being publicly mocked in an Eminem song. What a legacy!

[Polonius]

He's supposedly descended from Herman Melville, I believe.

And yes, "We Are All Made of Stars" did indeed suck.

[Caipirabob]

HI Texasflower, I figure this deserves a bit more attention. I imagine people are pretty aware of this by now, but as always when dealing with unknown avitars, caution is best.

Title: Taking down FR

FR is about to become no fun for anyone there.

They're not going to feel sure anymore whether the person they are talking to and agreeing with or the person they are arguing against is real, or a dual stringing them along.

There's going to be entire threads of duals arguing back and forth. Everything said a Sheeper agrees with may just be a set up.

We've been setting up duals and sleepers for the past three years now. Some are pretty quiet. Some are pretty high profile. And we register new ones every day.

Pretty soon, the Sheepers there are going to realize that it's no fun talking to anyone else on TOS, because you may just be wasting your time talking to a dual. Who knows - some may actually have to go outside and talk to real people in real life. (For the male Sheepers, those people with the bumps on the front are called women.)

To the extent it hasn't already from other factors *cough* Old Ironsides RimJob nutting out in a Bolshevik frenzy *cough* the membership there is going to dwindle.

What's really funny is that the hardcore conservatives who comprise my little troll invasion crew have been supplemented by some of the few brighter minds at DU who hate TOS for other reasons. When it's revealed how many high profile posters at TOS are actually the kind of liberals most of us wouldn't wipe our boots off on, the scat is really going to hit the prop.

TOS jumped the shark in 2000. We're just here to administer the coup de grace.

Time for a little free market of ideas chaos, Jimmy Boy. You better bring your A game. Cause this is a band of wise-ass hackers, ugly-ass crackers, psychotic and deeply disturbed trolls, and not just a few immature kids who have been pecking at computers since before they got out of diapers.

See you on the boards. But you probably won't see me. :^)

Hail Discordia,

Eris

(aka 223 other active TOS screennames)

***

(For the male Sheepers, those people with the bumps on the front are called women.)

In case Eris ever does read this, the "people" with four legs and covered in wool aren't women, although I imagine he's not too dissappointed.

[Prodigal Son]

Hmmmm.

Moby suggests that it's possible to seed doubt among Bush's far-right supporters on the Web.

I wonder what his screen name here is?

[PatWilson]

Kerry has already started accusing the Bush administration and the re-election campaign of "oiling up the smear machine". I wonder what revelation he is preparing everyone for? I assume the media will uncover it pretty soon and then Mr. Kerry can scream an outraged, "I TOLD YOU SO!".

He protests a little too much for me.

[thoughtomator]

Slander has long been part and parcel of every Democrat campaign. Nothing new here, and nothing out of the ordinary.

[weegee]

I would think "Kerry served in Vietnam while President Bush only flew planes in the National Guard" was the Kerry campaign's idea of a political smear. They neglected to consider how John Kerry defended Bill Clinton (a man who noted that he "loathed the military"). John Kerry also went antiwar loon (protesting WITH Jane Fonda).

I guess if the George W. Bush campaign answers Kerry's charges "AWOL" accusations with these facts it will be labeled an attempt to "smear" Kerry.

[risk]

Oh for sure, they're all here. Some are more obvious than others.

[gop_gene]

Unfortunately, again we hear from the d!ck named Moby.

[DougPowers]

The problem that Moby faces, other than looking like Uncle Fester's love child attempting to be initiated into the Michael Stipe fan club, is that he assumes every other constituency is as abjectly stupid as those in the party he belongs to.

Moby belongs to a party with youth who are largely undecided until watching MTV's "Rock the Vote" specials, meaning that everything they know about global events they learned from Limp Bizkit and Korn.

Moby belongs to a party that stops by a convenience store in a bus, fills it with more zeros than the deck of an aircraft carrier in Yamamoto's fleet, and takes them to the polls-- A busload of people willing to sell out one of their greatest rights and privileges as an American in return for a pint of Yukon Jack.

Moby belongs to a party with a southern Florida chapter that can't use a stylus without poking their own eyes out or accidentally voting for Buchanan.

In short, Moby is surrounded by many, many baffoons, so we can't blame him for assuming that everybody is just like his friends. He's way off base, however.

[Drango]

If it's Kerry vs Bush how will you vote?

Bush - 79%

Kerry - 2%

Libertarian - 3%

Const Party - 5%

Other - 0%

Sit it out - 2%

Undecided - 4%

[rabidralph]

Yes, and they are long-time members.

[MarkL]

You know, the sad thing is that we see again and again the leftists doing something descpicable, then claiming it was the Republicans that did it...

Not any different than the palestinian terrorists...

My favorite example of this are the Willie Horton ads... Funny, it was Al Gore's campaign who brought up Wille Horton in the first place.

Mark

[MEG33]

Crossposters are fine.I have ,however,no respect,indeed have utter disdain for the crossposters using different names who post here,only to go to TOS and trash FR,freepers by name,freepers in general or JR (and incidently almost always trash the President).JMHO

I know one is "out damned spot".If you can't keep your criticisms here on this site, in the family, why post here at all?

[EAGLE7]

'Moby Dick'.

[MEG33]

#47 FYI

[tapatio]

Fox News just reported on Moby trying to spread rumors on the internet.