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Maine: Smoking ban suffocates profits at area bars ~ and so it starts....
Kennebuc Journal ^ | February 16, 2004 | FELIX DOLIGOSA JR.

Posted on 02/16/2004 8:36:41 AM PST by SheLion

AUGUSTA -- Bar patrons might be finding it easier to take a breath when downing a pint, but the smoking ban is choking local pubs.

Because of the no-smoking law, local restaurant bars are reporting declining sales as smokers go elsewhere to order a drink and light up.

"This is the worst I have seen," said Shawn O'Connor, Jonathan's Restaurant owner. "I am doing numbers (sales he had) when I first started 16 years ago."

Customers don't want to stand outdoors in the bitter winter or foul weather to puff, he said, noting business has dropped 40 percent because of the combination of the ban and weather.

"We're not getting anything," he said. "Now, there's no difference between leaving outside work to smoke and coming here to smoke. This is supposed to be a getaway."

At the Old Mill Pub in Skowhegan, business is down around 20 percent, according to owner Lou Hornstein.

"I have a problem with the government interfering with free enterprise," he said. "I haven't seen the promised replacement of nonsmokers coming in."

"I don't see Baldacci running down here," O'Connor said.

Bar smokers often venture to outside entrances or decks like at the Old Mill Pub.

Having a deck is not a good opportunity to gain back the smoking crowd, according to Hornstein.

"In Maine, there is only three good months," he said. "If it's raining or snowing, you effectively don't have a deck."

Having begun Jan. 1, the law is not only affecting owners, but also their employees.

Susie LaBelle is the bar manager for Sully's Tavern in Winthrop, and her usually stuffed tip jar is regularly half full since the ban.

"I'm a smoker, and it's almost a Roe versus Wade sort of thing," she said. "People don't go to bars to be healthy. We are not subjecting people to smoke. They can come here or not. Let their feet do the talking."

If feet are doing the talking, more smokers are trekking to private clubs for drink and a smoke.

Clubs like the Elks Lodge and the American Legion offer permitted smoking bars and are exempt from the law only if the paid employees agree to allow smoking. The clubs must be nonsmoking if the employees are volunteers.

The Elks and American Legion say they are not aware of increased membership because of the smoking ban, but restaurant owners say many of their regular smoking customers are flocking to them.

"There would be more people gravitating to private clubs because of the ban," said Ron Sailor for the state American Legion.

Allowing private clubs and off-track betting establishments to operate smoking bars is discrimination, said Jeff Hinds, owner of Sully's Tavern.

"It's not a level playing field because the law does not go across the whole board," he said. "It's like saying only this bar can have a smoking area. Owners should be outraged."

The state has clamped down by charging two bars in southern Maine with violating the smoking ban last week; fines can reach the thousands.

In the meantime, bars are trying to find alternatives to fill the empty cash registers resulting from the ban, such as making smoking decks.

Jonathan's Restaurant is trying to bring revenue in by making home deliveries, but many businesses don't know how to fight the lost business.

"I wish I knew what to do," LaBelle said. "If only I could afford a high-priced law firm to fight the state."



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To: Hot Tabasco
You said it sport, now YOU back it up!

As soon as you get gabz to back up HER statement.

61 posted on 02/16/2004 3:47:52 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Your ignorance has no boundaries.

Impressive!
62 posted on 02/16/2004 3:51:59 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: cinFLA
Sorry, cin, your reputation preceeds you. Back it up.

By the way, learn the difference between libel and slander.

63 posted on 02/16/2004 3:52:05 PM PST by tdadams
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To: cinFLA
As soon as you get ..."

You addressed your comment to us smokers now I'm taking you to task to back up your foul statement!!!

64 posted on 02/16/2004 3:56:57 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I've dealt with stupid people for over 32 years. Haven't I earned the right to just shoot them?)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Please state YOUR position. Do you believe that second hand smoke is HEALTHY or UN-Healthy for kids?
65 posted on 02/16/2004 3:59:54 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: tdadams
It wasn't my statement. I am just the messenger. I did NOT say that I thought the same. Learn to read.
66 posted on 02/16/2004 4:00:53 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Back up your statement as requested!!!
67 posted on 02/16/2004 4:01:44 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I've dealt with stupid people for over 32 years. Haven't I earned the right to just shoot them?)
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To: SheLion
I remember when the smoking ban in LA first started. All the bars and restaurants said they'd go out of business. Now there's hardly a bar or restaurant left in LA County.
68 posted on 02/16/2004 4:03:10 PM PST by CalKat
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To: SheLion
The solution is simple..... just don't pay any attention to the law.

That's the way civil rights are won.
69 posted on 02/16/2004 4:03:53 PM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: Hot Tabasco
You addressed your comment to us smokers now I'm taking you to task to back up your foul statement!!!

Are you saying it does or does not apply to you. I am confused.

70 posted on 02/16/2004 4:05:31 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
You Said: I have seen it reported on this board that the smokers believe that blowing smoke in their kids' faces improves their health. With attitudes like that ...

Then you said: It wasn't my statement. I am just the messenger. I did NOT say that I thought the same. Learn to read.

You made the claim I/We demanded you back up your statement! We could care less what your feeble mind thinks, not that we don't already know!

You are a lying coward until you can prove your statement!

We know how to read and your statement was loud and clear. We just want you to back up your statement with fact!

71 posted on 02/16/2004 4:11:36 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I've dealt with stupid people for over 32 years. Haven't I earned the right to just shoot them?)
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To: cinFLA
Are you saying it does or does not apply to you. I am confused.

Yes you are! I haven't said anything to express my opinion one way or the other. I am only demanding that you produce the evidence to support your initial statement. Seems to me you are back stepping so fast you will be into January real quick......

72 posted on 02/16/2004 4:14:31 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I've dealt with stupid people for over 32 years. Haven't I earned the right to just shoot them?)
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To: cinFLA
My remark was in response to a suggestion by another freeper and I related something that has happened to me.

Your comment insinuated there was nothing wrong with what has been said by these type of people.
73 posted on 02/16/2004 4:31:45 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: cinFLA
I made no slanderous statements. You made a statement which you have not backed up. Plain and simple.

You have not backed it up, because you know your statement to be the use of another topic taken out of context.
74 posted on 02/16/2004 4:34:26 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: Hot Tabasco
You have ducked two direct questions. Need I say more?
75 posted on 02/16/2004 4:37:34 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Gabz
because you know your statement to be the use of another topic taken out of context

I don't understand what you are implying.

76 posted on 02/16/2004 4:38:23 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
I'm not implying anything..............you claim that statements have been made on this forum that smokers believe blowing smoke in kids faces is healthy - you have not backed it up because you know no such claim has ever been made.

You are taking another topic, smoking around kid, and distorting statements you have seen on threads regarding the issue of SHS and children. This thread is about bars - not children.
77 posted on 02/16/2004 5:11:16 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: Gabz
That is a sick and disgusting thing to say to anyone.

He's a forking liar! I've never seen a smoker in Free Republic say anything like that!

78 posted on 02/16/2004 5:29:22 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: bert
The solution is simple..... just don't pay any attention to the law.

Can't do it. Already, the Attorney General has two bars caught from a snitch turning them in for allowing smoking to continue:

Maine:State investigates smoking in two bars

79 posted on 02/16/2004 5:31:29 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
Wow, I see that bad has gone to worse in Maine!!

I do remember you showing me that smoking deck at your website, though. Give em hell!!! ;-)

80 posted on 02/16/2004 5:34:37 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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