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We had virtually to straight-jacket [Kerry] to keep him under control (Admiral Zumwalt on Kerry)
taipeitimes ^ | Feb 11, 2004 | W. Scott Thompson

Posted on 02/17/2004 4:50:28 PM PST by jmstein7

Harold Wilson, that British politician more canny than admired, usefully reminded his audience that things can change very quickly in politics.

"A week is a long time," he said, in politics, and we have seen this over and over in the American scene these past months.

After all, only nine weeks ago former vice president Al Gore blessed the insurgent campaign of Howard Dean and most pundits thought the race was over. All that was needed was the anointing of the former Vermont governor as Democratic party standard-bearer to take on US President George W. Bush in November.

Overnight Senator John Kerry, whose campaign had almost imploded late last year, turned the race upside down by winning big in Iowa's caucuses and then the weeks following in New Hampshire, Missouri and other primaries -- not only showing he has the "Big Mo" (or momentum) essential for winning in America, but a hammerlock on the nomination.

Or so it looks. After all, Senator Joe Lieberman has withdrawn, Wesley Clark's hopes are forlorn and John Edwards is resting his case on a single win, in the state of his birth.

But can it happen again? Dean's hold looked airtight until folks actually went to the polls. He had money to burn and endorsements from across the country, and now he is barely maintaining viability as a serious candidate. What could go wrong with Kerry's campaign at this point, and are there any implications for Asia?

Not a lot, but no one yet considers it over. The lanky and experienced Massachusetts senator has money to burn. No one wants to say it, but his wife's near billion-dollar fortune at the very least permits him to spend all his own, more modest, fortune to smooth his way. She can't shovel money directly into his campaign, but the mere fact of her fortune gives confidence to other contributors or lenders that they're backing a winner. He has seemingly unlimited self-confidence, despite many trip-ups in his long career.

But no senator has won the keys to the White House since John F. Kennedy.

There's a reason why senators don't tend to win. They've been on the record for too long on too many issues. There are too many interest groups they have had to cultivate and satiate to stay in politics. Sam Nunn, a powerful senator from Georgia who didn't even have to face serious re-election opposition, left the Senate in 1996 because he tired of spending his evenings entertaining his major supporters and running over to the Senate to vote. At the prime of life, he wanted to rediscover his family.

The real issue that Kerry must resolve is, however, character. Now that he is the front-runner, he must not only answer to all the charges of serving special interests that have risen and will still rise, he has to satisfy the public that he is, not to put too fine a point on it, an honorable man. There are questions.

Kerry has managed to straddle many issues and so it is difficult to discern his real beliefs -- other than in himself. He votes for the war in Iraq so he doesn't look "wet" and then votes against Pentagon budget rises, so he can please the liberal Democrats, who give him one of their highest ratings. When he looks at an acquaintance, he always seems to be looking just past, to see if someone more important lurks behind his interlocutor. Of course that's just standard politics. But people want something more.

He now makes much of his decorations from the war in Vietnam, to appeal to centrists and conservatives, without reminding those audiences that he for long was a leader of Vietnam veterans against the war. Indeed, assiduous searchers, looking for his vulnerabilities, will find much of interest in that period of his life. For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.

It is that sort of thing that senators don't have to worry about. But if they become a front-runner for president, the whole ball-game changes. Their past is scrutinized with a fine-tooth comb. In Kerry's case, for example, he has shown precious little interest in Asia since his tour in Vietnam, and there is little doubt that he will follow the standard Democratic party, pro-Beijing, line. But every word he's ever spoken on it will be scrutinized.

That is why it is not only true that a week is a long time in politics. But, as they say in American politics, "It ain't over until the fat lady sings."

W. Scott Thompson is an adjunct professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Boston, and a former assistant secretary of state in the Reagan administration. He has visited Taipei eight times and now lives in Bali.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; cno; kerry; kerrylies; militaryrecord; straightjacket; swiftboat; vietnamwar; warcriminal; zumwalt
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To: hoosiermama
Just checked Amazon, and yes Zumwalt did write a book, "My Father, My Son" about his son's cancer and grandson's birth defect, probably caused my agent orange. Zumwalt also wrote a few other books, check out Amazon.
41 posted on 02/17/2004 5:36:44 PM PST by Atlantian
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To: hoosiermama
Full Name: Elmo Russell Zumwalt, Jr.
Date of Birth: 29 November 1920
Date of Death: 2 January 2000
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq93-1.htm
42 posted on 02/17/2004 5:39:38 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: Atlantian
Wonder if any of these have any information, we like to read.....Library here I come.....Thanks
43 posted on 02/17/2004 5:40:26 PM PST by hoosiermama (Ask Kerry to list the major pieces of enacted legislation he has authored in his career.)
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To: EastIdaho; LADY J
Kerry was "credited" with killing a mother,her baby,a 12 year old,others I don't remember and "several" South Vietnamese soldiers,our allies.

Kerry must have been for shooting anything that moved and he "is" a self confessed war criminal.Not what we need in the White House.

I wonder if there's any proof he didn't kill Americans,too.

44 posted on 02/17/2004 5:40:38 PM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)
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To: Atlantian
The Guy who wrote the article Scott W Thompson has several books out as well, mostly focusing on asia.

I still have know Idea how credible he is
45 posted on 02/17/2004 5:41:24 PM PST by mylife
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To: chiller
"So, JFK was absolving his guilt with his senate testimony, and Vets against the war."

They say confession is good for the soul. Guess his confession did not work. His wife says he keeps having nightmares.

46 posted on 02/17/2004 5:41:46 PM PST by LADY J
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To: rllngrk33
A few months ago, before I was aware of Kerry's full story, my wife and I were talking about how he came to be so anti-military so fast. I came to think that he must have done or been complicit in some activity that was way far outside what his society held as acceptable.

You get to a point in life where the root of anyone's behaviour can usually be narrowed to a very few possibilities. I knew there was a deep guilt at work.

47 posted on 02/17/2004 5:46:06 PM PST by wtc911 (How can a blind man be a lookout?)
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To: hoosiermama
Kerry is scary.

Scary Kerry.
48 posted on 02/17/2004 5:47:16 PM PST by Amadeo
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To: jackbill
This is most likely a dry hole.

Because he is a liberal democrat. ONLY because he is a liberal democrat. Were these same accusations made about Bush it would not only not be a dry hole but a virtual Niagara Falls of publicity. Believe me. Every nook and cranny would be explored and revealed as soon as possible.

This is what we are up against folks.

49 posted on 02/17/2004 5:47:36 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: jmstein7
young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets

I have no idea if this is true or if Zumwalt even said it.

But, I doubt the Navy brass would have had any trouble corraling an over-enthusiastic Lt targeting civilians and non-military targets if they knew about it.

That said, if this is in any way true is this perhaps why we haven't heard a peep out of any of the men who served with him on his boats? There is no statute of limitations on murder as a war crime. If they were there and that happened - and if they didn't report it - they could be culpable in a UCMJ court right along with the over-enthusiastic Lt Kerry!

Perhaps there's more here than meets the eye?

50 posted on 02/17/2004 5:50:43 PM PST by Gritty (I am not now, nor have I ever been, a card-carrying member of John F. Kerry's "Band of Brothers"!)
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To: jmstein7; onyx; TheSpottedOwl
He now makes much of his decorations from the war in Vietnam, to appeal to centrists and conservatives, without reminding those audiences that he for long was a leader of Vietnam veterans against the war. Indeed, assiduous searchers, looking for his vulnerabilities, will find much of interest in that period of his life. For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.

I thought Zumwalt was a good guy and in some of Kerry stuff their is praise from Zumwalt on Kerry which distrubed me wrong! because I thought well of Zummmy!

51 posted on 02/17/2004 5:51:43 PM PST by restornu ( "Faith...is daring the soul to go beyond what the eyes refuse to see."J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: mylife
Is this the same guy?

THOMPSON W SCOTT
Assn. National Security Alumni. Unclassified 1993-07 (16)
Bernstein,R. Munro,R. The Coming Conflict With China. 1997 (119)
Cockburn,A.& L. Dangerous Liaison. 1991 (189)
Council on Foreign Relations. Membership Roster. 2001
Esquire 1991-10 (94-5)
National Reporter 1985-W (33)
Resource Center. GroupWatch 1990-USIP (1, 3, 5)
Saloma,J. Ominous Politics. 1984 (12)
Washington Times 1988-06-02 (E1, 2)
Z Magazine 1990-08 (112)
52 posted on 02/17/2004 5:51:52 PM PST by hoosiermama (Ask Kerry to list the major pieces of enacted legislation he has authored in his career.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Then, in typical liberal scum fashion, he attempts to cover his crimes by rushing home donning his peace nick costume and decrying the war in Viet Nam as aggression.
53 posted on 02/17/2004 5:53:38 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: BluH2o
do a google on Zumwalt and Kerry:


In any case, Kerry said he was appalled that the Navy's ''free fire zone'' policy put civilians at such high risk. So, on Jan. 22, 1969, Kerry and several dozen fellow skippers and officers traveled to Saigon to complain about the policy in an extraordinary meeting with Zumwalt and the overall commander of the war, General Creighton W. Abrams Jr. ''We were fighting the [free fire] policy very, very hard, to the point that many of the members were refusing to carry out orders on some of their missions, to the point where crews were starting to mutiny, [to] say, `I would not go back in the rivers again,''' Kerry recalled during a 1971 television appearance on the Dick Cavett Show."

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml
54 posted on 02/17/2004 5:54:30 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: mc5cents
This has to be verified &, if it's true, surely it is
possible that it can be verified. We don't want to pass
on gossip, but we want the truth. - Kerry, we WILL find
out the truth.
55 posted on 02/17/2004 5:56:13 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: LADY J
The ultimate in straddling both sides of every issue is Kerry's own characterization of himself as a war criminal ["I committed atrocties" From 1971 tape of Kerry played on Tim Russert] and a war hero, as he frequently reminds everyone in what he hopes will be taken as unplanned asides.
56 posted on 02/17/2004 5:56:16 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: LADY J
Worse yet - he came back and blamed the other soldiers for the crimes that he did.

Hoping to insulate himself when he ran for political office by accusing others his crimes.

57 posted on 02/17/2004 5:57:37 PM PST by Magnolia
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To: NonValueAdded
Were you in the military or more specifically, in Viet Nam?
I guess you figue you know more than Elmo or that he had some reason to distort the reality of the issue.
58 posted on 02/17/2004 5:58:53 PM PST by oldgrunt
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To: hoosiermama
Near as I can tell, yes
59 posted on 02/17/2004 6:00:54 PM PST by mylife
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To: rllngrk33
The citations for Kery's awards were posted here last week sometime. I remember reading them and thinking that, if he had been an Army NCO like I was instead of a Naval Officer, he more likely would have gotten a reprimand from his First Sergeant instead of a bleepin' medal. In my unit, any injury that didn't get you sent back to base camp for treatment and recuperation certainly wouldn't get you a purple heart. IIRC Kerry's injuries didn't even get him light duty!
60 posted on 02/17/2004 6:01:01 PM PST by Chuckster ("Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." George Bernard Shaw)
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