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We had virtually to straight-jacket [Kerry] to keep him under control (Admiral Zumwalt on Kerry)
taipeitimes ^ | Feb 11, 2004 | W. Scott Thompson

Posted on 02/17/2004 4:50:28 PM PST by jmstein7

Harold Wilson, that British politician more canny than admired, usefully reminded his audience that things can change very quickly in politics.

"A week is a long time," he said, in politics, and we have seen this over and over in the American scene these past months.

After all, only nine weeks ago former vice president Al Gore blessed the insurgent campaign of Howard Dean and most pundits thought the race was over. All that was needed was the anointing of the former Vermont governor as Democratic party standard-bearer to take on US President George W. Bush in November.

Overnight Senator John Kerry, whose campaign had almost imploded late last year, turned the race upside down by winning big in Iowa's caucuses and then the weeks following in New Hampshire, Missouri and other primaries -- not only showing he has the "Big Mo" (or momentum) essential for winning in America, but a hammerlock on the nomination.

Or so it looks. After all, Senator Joe Lieberman has withdrawn, Wesley Clark's hopes are forlorn and John Edwards is resting his case on a single win, in the state of his birth.

But can it happen again? Dean's hold looked airtight until folks actually went to the polls. He had money to burn and endorsements from across the country, and now he is barely maintaining viability as a serious candidate. What could go wrong with Kerry's campaign at this point, and are there any implications for Asia?

Not a lot, but no one yet considers it over. The lanky and experienced Massachusetts senator has money to burn. No one wants to say it, but his wife's near billion-dollar fortune at the very least permits him to spend all his own, more modest, fortune to smooth his way. She can't shovel money directly into his campaign, but the mere fact of her fortune gives confidence to other contributors or lenders that they're backing a winner. He has seemingly unlimited self-confidence, despite many trip-ups in his long career.

But no senator has won the keys to the White House since John F. Kennedy.

There's a reason why senators don't tend to win. They've been on the record for too long on too many issues. There are too many interest groups they have had to cultivate and satiate to stay in politics. Sam Nunn, a powerful senator from Georgia who didn't even have to face serious re-election opposition, left the Senate in 1996 because he tired of spending his evenings entertaining his major supporters and running over to the Senate to vote. At the prime of life, he wanted to rediscover his family.

The real issue that Kerry must resolve is, however, character. Now that he is the front-runner, he must not only answer to all the charges of serving special interests that have risen and will still rise, he has to satisfy the public that he is, not to put too fine a point on it, an honorable man. There are questions.

Kerry has managed to straddle many issues and so it is difficult to discern his real beliefs -- other than in himself. He votes for the war in Iraq so he doesn't look "wet" and then votes against Pentagon budget rises, so he can please the liberal Democrats, who give him one of their highest ratings. When he looks at an acquaintance, he always seems to be looking just past, to see if someone more important lurks behind his interlocutor. Of course that's just standard politics. But people want something more.

He now makes much of his decorations from the war in Vietnam, to appeal to centrists and conservatives, without reminding those audiences that he for long was a leader of Vietnam veterans against the war. Indeed, assiduous searchers, looking for his vulnerabilities, will find much of interest in that period of his life. For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.

It is that sort of thing that senators don't have to worry about. But if they become a front-runner for president, the whole ball-game changes. Their past is scrutinized with a fine-tooth comb. In Kerry's case, for example, he has shown precious little interest in Asia since his tour in Vietnam, and there is little doubt that he will follow the standard Democratic party, pro-Beijing, line. But every word he's ever spoken on it will be scrutinized.

That is why it is not only true that a week is a long time in politics. But, as they say in American politics, "It ain't over until the fat lady sings."

W. Scott Thompson is an adjunct professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Boston, and a former assistant secretary of state in the Reagan administration. He has visited Taipei eight times and now lives in Bali.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; cno; kerry; kerrylies; militaryrecord; straightjacket; swiftboat; vietnamwar; warcriminal; zumwalt
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1 posted on 02/17/2004 4:50:29 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7; onyx
Damn, trying to remember who else to ping...

For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

Totally Clintonian!!!!

2 posted on 02/17/2004 4:57:58 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: jmstein7
" . . . created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets."

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said.

Didn't Lt. Calley get crucified for killing civilians?

3 posted on 02/17/2004 5:00:11 PM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: jmstein7
Explains why he felt he had to lie and accuse others of doing what he had done.
4 posted on 02/17/2004 5:01:17 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: jmstein7
"young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets."

War Criminal. He should have to answer to this.

5 posted on 02/17/2004 5:01:53 PM PST by LADY J
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To: jmstein7; PhiKapMom
For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.

Is there any corroboration for this?

6 posted on 02/17/2004 5:02:38 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GWB 1/20/04)
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To: jmstein7
"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said.

I suppose the English-as-a-second-language folks at the Taipei Times should be given some slack -- after all, I'm not exactly conversant in any of the various Chinese languages -- but it's straitjacket.

7 posted on 02/17/2004 5:03:33 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina ("Yes, but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?")
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To: jmstein7
For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage

...But if they become a front-runner for president, the whole ball-game changes. Their past is scrutinized with a fine-tooth comb.

Not if the bulk of American media has any say in it......

Prairie

8 posted on 02/17/2004 5:03:54 PM PST by prairiebreeze (WMD's in Iraq -- The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.)
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To: jmstein7
Chilling.
9 posted on 02/17/2004 5:04:28 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: LADY J
Sounds like Kerry loved the smell of napalm in the morning.
10 posted on 02/17/2004 5:05:11 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: jmstein7
... Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

Seems like Ketchup Boy was telling the truth when he admitted to committing war crimes.

Perhaps he was a bit trigger happy?

11 posted on 02/17/2004 5:07:25 PM PST by rllngrk33 (Liberals are guilty of everything they accuse Conservatives of.)
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To: Ciexyz
"Sounds like Kerry loved the smell of napalm in the morning."

It's chilling to read about his atrocities. He sounds like a blood thirsty coward. Now he keeps bragging about being a war hero and shoving his medals in our face.

Worse yet - he came back and blamed the other soldiers for the crimes that he did.

12 posted on 02/17/2004 5:10:58 PM PST by LADY J
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To: AmericanVictory
Explains why he felt he had to lie and accuse others of doing what he had done.

Teresa has stated that John has nightmares, flashbacks, etc. Not what you would expect from his public record of pulling people out of rivers, charging wounded soldiers, etc.

Would make a lot of sense if he was attacking civilians.

13 posted on 02/17/2004 5:11:11 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: prairiebreeze
Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, ...

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.

So is Admiral Elmo ZUMWALT still alive?....Where can he be contacted?....and how do we get him on National media programs?

RECORDS! I want to see ALL of Kerry's military records. (particularly those signed by Zumwalt)

14 posted on 02/17/2004 5:15:02 PM PST by hoosiermama (Ask Kerry to list the major pieces of enacted legislation he has authored in his career.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I just thought of something, maybe Kerry was sent home early because they wanted to get rid of him. Give him his 3 purple hearts and send him home. In other words he was fired. Maybe thats why he took up his anti war stance, to get back at them.
15 posted on 02/17/2004 5:16:48 PM PST by EastIdaho (Warning to tourists, do not laugh at the natives)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; Hon; backhoe
FReeper The Spotted Owl and I created this citizen's campaign ad

George Bush honorably served his country during the Vietnam War, but didn't get any medals.

George Bush "We will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of the United States."

John Kerry served during the Vietnam War, won many medals, then threw some one else's medals back in his country's face.

John Kerry accused his fellow soldiers of rape, baby killing and torture, and his country of war crimes.

John Kerry “I’m an internationalist,” Kerry told (The Crimson in 1970.)"> “I’d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.”

America needs a leader with morals, honor, and vision. Not a leader who will ask for a UN permission slip to protect America.

Bush/Cheney in 2004.

16 posted on 02/17/2004 5:17:39 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: Hon; RonDog; ALOHA RONNIE; PhilDragoo; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
What if the real War Criminal, Kerry referred to after he returned was himself:

"The fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage."

Is this why he flipped out and became an anti war geek, after seeing his own War Criminal actions?

17 posted on 02/17/2004 5:17:46 PM PST by Grampa Dave (John F' Kerry! You are not John F. Kennedy! You're just another $oreA$$ puppet.)
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To: jmstein7
" For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets. "

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HEY! They can't say this about The War Kriminal! Don't they know that he's a Highly Decorated Veteran? Who the hell is this Zumwalt anyway? Where are his papers? Did he complete his enlistment? What did he know and when did he know it?

18 posted on 02/17/2004 5:18:21 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: LADY J
Now he keeps bragging about being a war hero and shoving his medals in our face.

I keep hearing rumors about how Ketchup Boy wrote up his own recomendation for the silver star because his CO or other officer was not there to witness his "heroics'. I also keep hearing how his three purple hearts were for "minor wounds".

Any freepers out there who can verify this?

19 posted on 02/17/2004 5:18:37 PM PST by rllngrk33 (Liberals are guilty of everything they accuse Conservatives of.)
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To: jmstein7
W. Scott Thompson is an adjunct professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Boston, and a former assistant secretary of state in the Reagan administration. He has visited Taipei eight times and now lives in Bali.

Anybody know more about this guy Thompson?

These are very serious accusations

20 posted on 02/17/2004 5:18:49 PM PST by mylife
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To: hoosiermama
Per Google:

Full Name: Elmo Russell Zumwalt, Jr.
Date of Birth: 29 November 1920
Date of Death: 2 January 2000
21 posted on 02/17/2004 5:20:29 PM PST by prairiebreeze (WMD's in Iraq -- The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.)
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To: rllngrk33
I now that the purple hearts were for minor wounds.

I dont know about the rest.
22 posted on 02/17/2004 5:20:49 PM PST by mylife
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To: mylife
Its also hearsay twice removed. I'd be careful with this one unless and until we get some hard evidence. Right now there is no evidence.
23 posted on 02/17/2004 5:21:47 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jmstein7
Damn, you are doing some mighty fine research.......thank you SO MUCH for your efforts...I'm sure MANY, MANY of us here are bookmarking for use SOON....letters to editors, websites, ammo on boards.......

The greatest tribute we could pay to our VietNam vets who served so honorably and came home, not to parades and glory, but to be spit at and called "baby-killers"..is to keep John Kerry out of the White House. For every one John Kerry and his millions of dollars and notariety attained, there are thousands who did their duty and returned and expected nothing more than to pick up the pieces and go on with their lives, and never asked for anything more than some acknowlegement or appreciation for what they had done for their country!!

Ping your stuff to "backhoe" if you aren't already....he's keeping an AWESOME archive of all links J EFFIN KERRY!!
24 posted on 02/17/2004 5:22:26 PM PST by soozla (BUSH/CHENEY 2004**Send John "Effin'" Kerry back to Easter Island!!!!!)
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To: LADY J
So, JFK was absolving his guilt with his senate testimony, and Vets against the war.
25 posted on 02/17/2004 5:22:42 PM PST by chiller (JUDGES is JOB #1)
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To: jmstein7
bttt
26 posted on 02/17/2004 5:23:07 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: Hon
ping
27 posted on 02/17/2004 5:25:45 PM PST by prairiebreeze (WMD's in Iraq -- The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.)
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To: hoosiermama
Admiral Zumwalt died a few years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Admiral Zumwalt order the use of agent orange in Vietnam. And later his son, who also served in Vietnam, got cancer, probably from coming in contract with agent orange. Admiral Zumwalt wrote a book about this.
28 posted on 02/17/2004 5:27:05 PM PST by Atlantian
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To: mylife; Grampa Dave
The media will find a way to cast doubt on this!!!

By the way see this hilarious item:

WILLIAM GRIM INTERVIEWS JOHN KERRY

And see the followup item ... Saddam at the bat!

29 posted on 02/17/2004 5:28:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: jwalsh07
Its also hearsay twice removed. I'd be careful with this one unless and until we get some hard evidence. Right now there is no evidence.

Unless there is something in Zumwalt's papers or memoirs and if the keepers of those documents are willing to release them. I agree. This is most likely a dry hole.

30 posted on 02/17/2004 5:29:03 PM PST by jackbill
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To: LADY J
"Worse yet - he came back and blamed the other soldiers for the crimes that he did."

Worse yet - he came back and blamed the other soldiers for the crimes that he did.

Spot on, Lady J., deserving of a shoutout.

31 posted on 02/17/2004 5:29:38 PM PST by chiller (JUDGES is JOB #1)
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To: EastIdaho
You may be on to something...particularly if his wounds were caused by "friendly fire" ;^)
32 posted on 02/17/2004 5:31:22 PM PST by hoosiermama (Ask Kerry to list the major pieces of enacted legislation he has authored in his career.)
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To: jmstein7
BUMP
33 posted on 02/17/2004 5:32:40 PM PST by MadMoo
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To: EastIdaho
Exactly. It would have gotten the attention of maybe some powerful people who could control him because of his past. Perfect democratic candidate.
34 posted on 02/17/2004 5:33:02 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: jmstein7
["Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage. ]

Of course, that prediction was 'then' and this is now.

The Leftwing/lib Dems have created a political environment/history and modus operandi that is not beholding to any 'truth' that stands in the way of their agenda. . .

35 posted on 02/17/2004 5:33:09 PM PST by cricket
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I just read it, and it is a barrel of laughs.
36 posted on 02/17/2004 5:34:43 PM PST by Grampa Dave (John F' Kerry! You are not John F. Kennedy! You're just another $oreA$$ puppet.)
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To: mylife
"These are very serious accusations."

So serious they should be kept until after the convention! :^)
37 posted on 02/17/2004 5:35:40 PM PST by hoosiermama (Ask Kerry to list the major pieces of enacted legislation he has authored in his career.)
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To: NonValueAdded
... young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

This is a crock of BS ... Zumwalt, in his exalted position wouldn't have a clue as to who Kerry was ... guaranteed. I have absolutely no use for Kerry (speaking as a Vietnam era Marine) and a unabashed conservative American ... but I know BS when I hear it ... and this is BS!!!

38 posted on 02/17/2004 5:35:53 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: TheSpottedOwl; jmstein7; Hon; ambrose
LOL! We do need to create a anti-Kerry ping list.

In case you missed this, it's my favorite quote from Ambrose:

In truth, he is a traitor. I am no more impressed by his being a veteran than I am by Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, or Timothy McVeigh's veteran status...

14 posted on 02/11/2004 3:19:26 AM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)

His (ambrose's) tagline ain't bad either.

39 posted on 02/17/2004 5:35:56 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Old Grumpy
Calley crucified? Come on.
40 posted on 02/17/2004 5:36:27 PM PST by wtc911 (How can a blind man be a lookout?)
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To: hoosiermama
Just checked Amazon, and yes Zumwalt did write a book, "My Father, My Son" about his son's cancer and grandson's birth defect, probably caused my agent orange. Zumwalt also wrote a few other books, check out Amazon.
41 posted on 02/17/2004 5:36:44 PM PST by Atlantian
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To: hoosiermama
Full Name: Elmo Russell Zumwalt, Jr.
Date of Birth: 29 November 1920
Date of Death: 2 January 2000
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq93-1.htm
42 posted on 02/17/2004 5:39:38 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: Atlantian
Wonder if any of these have any information, we like to read.....Library here I come.....Thanks
43 posted on 02/17/2004 5:40:26 PM PST by hoosiermama (Ask Kerry to list the major pieces of enacted legislation he has authored in his career.)
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To: EastIdaho; LADY J
Kerry was "credited" with killing a mother,her baby,a 12 year old,others I don't remember and "several" South Vietnamese soldiers,our allies.

Kerry must have been for shooting anything that moved and he "is" a self confessed war criminal.Not what we need in the White House.

I wonder if there's any proof he didn't kill Americans,too.

44 posted on 02/17/2004 5:40:38 PM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)
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To: Atlantian
The Guy who wrote the article Scott W Thompson has several books out as well, mostly focusing on asia.

I still have know Idea how credible he is
45 posted on 02/17/2004 5:41:24 PM PST by mylife
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To: chiller
"So, JFK was absolving his guilt with his senate testimony, and Vets against the war."

They say confession is good for the soul. Guess his confession did not work. His wife says he keeps having nightmares.

46 posted on 02/17/2004 5:41:46 PM PST by LADY J
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To: rllngrk33
A few months ago, before I was aware of Kerry's full story, my wife and I were talking about how he came to be so anti-military so fast. I came to think that he must have done or been complicit in some activity that was way far outside what his society held as acceptable.

You get to a point in life where the root of anyone's behaviour can usually be narrowed to a very few possibilities. I knew there was a deep guilt at work.

47 posted on 02/17/2004 5:46:06 PM PST by wtc911 (How can a blind man be a lookout?)
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To: hoosiermama
Kerry is scary.

Scary Kerry.
48 posted on 02/17/2004 5:47:16 PM PST by Amadeo
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To: jackbill
This is most likely a dry hole.

Because he is a liberal democrat. ONLY because he is a liberal democrat. Were these same accusations made about Bush it would not only not be a dry hole but a virtual Niagara Falls of publicity. Believe me. Every nook and cranny would be explored and revealed as soon as possible.

This is what we are up against folks.

49 posted on 02/17/2004 5:47:36 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: jmstein7
young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets

I have no idea if this is true or if Zumwalt even said it.

But, I doubt the Navy brass would have had any trouble corraling an over-enthusiastic Lt targeting civilians and non-military targets if they knew about it.

That said, if this is in any way true is this perhaps why we haven't heard a peep out of any of the men who served with him on his boats? There is no statute of limitations on murder as a war crime. If they were there and that happened - and if they didn't report it - they could be culpable in a UCMJ court right along with the over-enthusiastic Lt Kerry!

Perhaps there's more here than meets the eye?

50 posted on 02/17/2004 5:50:43 PM PST by Gritty (I am not now, nor have I ever been, a card-carrying member of John F. Kerry's "Band of Brothers"!)
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