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Something's fishy.
The Essex Soapbox ^ | February 17, 2004 | Mike Morrison

Posted on 02/18/2004 8:06:40 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy

I've long thought that John Kerry's war record was phoney. We talked about it when you were here. It's mainly been instinct because, as you know, nobody who claims to have seen the action he does would so shamelessly flaunt it for political gain.

I was in the Delta shortly after he left. I know that area well. I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.

Here are my problems and suspicions:

(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job. But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs. Fishy.

(2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp.. All injuries so minor that no time lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds. At least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour.. Fishy.

(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 (rocket propelled grenade) was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50 (caliber machine guns), Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retrieves the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong. (a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go (away) balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a Frisbee after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's. (b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you - just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring-do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too. (c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your boat was defenseless. It couldn't run and it couldn't return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight.

Something is very fishy.

Here we have a JFK wannabe who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to get a good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early, requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for Congress, finds out war heros don't sell well in Massachusetts in 1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a few years later, votes against every major defense bill, says the CIA is irrelevant after the Wall (Berlin) came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big mistake since that turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.

I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some documented facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record.

I know in my gut it's wildly inflated. And fishy.

This e-mail was written by Mike Morrison, who won a bronze star in Vietnam and who is now retired, but wrote speeches for Lee Iacocca for many years. It was sent to his brother Ed, who sent it to one of our readers who follows such matters. -Ed.-


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1 posted on 02/18/2004 8:06:40 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Wow, that's a fairly severe take-down.
2 posted on 02/18/2004 8:09:43 PM PST by .cnI redruM (The only winner of a Neocon/Paleocan turd-chucking contest is John Forbes Kerry.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Very, very interesting and it parallels things my husband, a Vietnam vet, has said. I agree that things don't add up.
3 posted on 02/18/2004 8:11:34 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
bump
4 posted on 02/18/2004 8:12:13 PM PST by Terp (Retired US Navy now living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
This was on the "Kimmer" show here in Atlanta yesterday. I believe that the guy called in. This email seems to be a transcription of what he said during the phone call.
5 posted on 02/18/2004 8:14:00 PM PST by mikegi
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To: 1Mike; 3catsanadog; ~Vor~; ~Kim4VRWC's~; A CA Guy; A Citizen Reporter; abner; Aeronaut; AFPhys; ...
Interesting opinion here.
6 posted on 02/18/2004 8:14:19 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I went to the source, and couldn't find the letter. It would be nice to have the URL.
7 posted on 02/18/2004 8:14:26 PM PST by Wumpus Hunter (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Kerry Implosion anyone?
8 posted on 02/18/2004 8:14:56 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I never served in the military- I was 4-F- and I don't know alot about being in a war, but just the high number of medals and the short time I had heard that he was in theater has bothered me from the beginning of the run for the Dem nomination. I smell something here, also.
Please- is there anyone here who can file for Kerry's records under the FOIA? I am too far away and too inexperienced to do it. Or do we assume that Bush already has this info at his fingertips for the Sept/Oct/Nov time period?
9 posted on 02/18/2004 8:16:48 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Bubba_Leroy; dubyaismypresident; Argh; TexasCowboy; Cagey; Shooter 2.5; Arrowhead1952; xsmommy; ...
Interesting read........
10 posted on 02/18/2004 8:17:29 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Bubba_Leroy
And then there's THIS:

KERRY'S PCF SWIFTBOAT RECORD??

11 posted on 02/18/2004 8:18:02 PM PST by soozla (BUSH/CHENEY 2004**Send John "Effin'" Kerry back to Easter Island!!!!!)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
bump bump

Keep this one on top and see what some eyes on it turn up

-tb
12 posted on 02/18/2004 8:18:27 PM PST by tahoeblue
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To: Wumpus Hunter
They only post the back issues on the website. If you subscribe you can get the current issue via e-mail.
13 posted on 02/18/2004 8:18:36 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Bubba_Leroy
It's time to start sending this information around to some news outlets....whether it be local, national...whatevah, people aren't going to be aware of this stuff if we keep it to ourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14 posted on 02/18/2004 8:20:41 PM PST by soozla (BUSH/CHENEY 2004**Send John "Effin'" Kerry back to Easter Island!!!!!)
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To: writer33
Not if Chris Matthews, Joe Trippi and Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) has anything to say about it. lol! George Bush is the devil, according to them.
15 posted on 02/18/2004 8:20:45 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Bubba_Leroy
JFK exactly.

JFK got heroe status by screwing up and getting his MTB T-Boned by a destroyer at night. The destroyer never knew he was there, never slowed down.

An MTB was far faster and more maneuverable than a destroyer and it took real skill to manage this.

All this was in 'They Were Expendable' by Commander Bulkelly, covering all the MTB operations out of Corrigidor, published at the end of WWII.
Funny thing, in all the run up to the 1960 election and since, this book has never been reprinted, not even in paperback.

So9

16 posted on 02/18/2004 8:21:24 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: .cnI redruM; snippy_about_it; PhilDragoo; U S Army EOD
Soemthings rotten in Denmark Massachusetts
17 posted on 02/18/2004 8:22:23 PM PST by SAMWolf (Terrorists are vulnerable to silver bullets... and any other bullets.)
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To: .cnI redruM
vedy vedy inveresin
18 posted on 02/18/2004 8:22:49 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com..............................send a FReeper to Congress!)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I only had one friend with a bronze star, he refused to talk about it.

19 posted on 02/18/2004 8:23:05 PM PST by mylife
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To: Howlin
Well, though I've had questions about Kerry beaching his boat like he did .. but I never felt I had the right to question it because I wasn't there

Seems this gentleman was there and brings up some good points

I wonder if Chrissy Mathews will have him on his show any time soon?

20 posted on 02/18/2004 8:23:42 PM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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To: Bubba_Leroy
As this comes out don't forget it was 'rats that started it by trying to make hay out of W's NG record.
21 posted on 02/18/2004 8:23:42 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: kcvl
We have only just begun to ____________. Please fill in appropriate word.
22 posted on 02/18/2004 8:24:07 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Howlin
very interesting. Hopefully, all this "I served in Vietnam, so I should be your Commander in Chief " talk will turn around and bite him in the butt.
23 posted on 02/18/2004 8:24:08 PM PST by RightWingMama
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To: ridesthemiles
I read that Kerry had his records sealed.

Hmmm.
24 posted on 02/18/2004 8:24:41 PM PST by opbuzz
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To: SAMWolf
The first time I saw the picture of kerry and teddy together I knew something ugly was going on.
25 posted on 02/18/2004 8:26:35 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Howlin
Thanks for the ping. Has anyone ever found out about one of Kerry's band of brothers, the one who claims to have flown out to Iowa at his own expense to reunite with Kerry?
26 posted on 02/18/2004 8:27:07 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Somebody send this letter to Bush and Rove and tell them THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE!
27 posted on 02/18/2004 8:27:44 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: archy; Cannoneer No. 4
This stuff makes me nervous, unless it's someone who was on the scene. This guy says he was, pretty much. Ping.
28 posted on 02/18/2004 8:27:48 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: mikegi
Damn....what a day to miss the Kimmer.
Can't wait to hear the News Maker Line.
29 posted on 02/18/2004 8:27:52 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Howlin
Thanks for the bump.....FISHY is right! Just doesn't add up.
30 posted on 02/18/2004 8:27:56 PM PST by hoosiermama (Ask Kerry to list the major pieces of enacted legislation he has authored in his career.)
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To: Hon; Semper Paratus; VadeRetro; Constitution Day; js1138; T'wit; demlosers; backhoe; MeekOneGOP; ...
More on Kerry's "war."
31 posted on 02/18/2004 8:28:39 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I worked with a guy at Morgan Stanley who had two Silver Stars and two Bronze Stars with all sorts of clusters. Also, a Purple Heart for serious wounds on his last mission. His silvers were earned in two missions just months apart.

Like all true heros he would not talk about how he won his medals. All I know is that he was in the Special Forces and had pictures of his comrades in arms on his wall.

Kerry strikes me as a blowhard who came back from Vietnam too soon and had too much political clout. His medals also seem to me to be pretty "fishy."

Does anybody know wat his family background really is? Does he have any senators or D.C. power players in his family tree?

32 posted on 02/18/2004 8:29:47 PM PST by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
His family knew the Kennedy family. There are photo's of him on Pres. Kennedy's boat. His family was rich.

Take that as you will.

33 posted on 02/18/2004 8:31:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com..............................send a FReeper to Congress!)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Bump for later.
34 posted on 02/18/2004 8:31:38 PM PST by CheezyD
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To: hoosiermama
BTT
35 posted on 02/18/2004 8:31:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
This must be exposed once and for all!
Who in the Military issued these medals in such a ridiculous
short period of time!
36 posted on 02/18/2004 8:32:09 PM PST by NobleEagle2004
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To: Flyer; humblegunner; Allegra; stevie_d_64; TheMom; Eaker; Axiom Nine; GOP_Thug_Mom
very interesting ping
37 posted on 02/18/2004 8:32:12 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
"Something is very fishy."

Don't expect the media to care. What DUers call a "hostile media"(against Kerry, of course) is too busy trying to find people that don't remember seeing Bush on a particular day after 30 years.
38 posted on 02/18/2004 8:32:23 PM PST by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I was in the 540th GS (Qhuin Hon) for 14 months(68-69). I don't have 15 Purple Hearts or 5 Silver Stars.

I have one Bronze Star and I'm damn proud of it.

Medals to Kerry are useful props.

You are right.It's fishy.

39 posted on 02/18/2004 8:33:17 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Bubba_Leroy

40 posted on 02/18/2004 8:33:32 PM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: Servant of the 9
Is it out of copyright? It would be a perfect candidate for an e-book.
41 posted on 02/18/2004 8:33:35 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: NobleEagle2004
I'm alerting my husband - his group on Military.com has some really good investigators - they come across frauds all the time..... perhaps someone there can do some more intensive research
42 posted on 02/18/2004 8:33:38 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Thanks.

The dems have really scrapped the bottom to run this guy. A divorced[Yeah, I can say it] guy who married wealthy women, admitted war criminal, a senator who's never at the Capitol to vote and a guy who's to the left of Teddy, the swimmer.

The only thing I can think of is as long as the media is feeding information to an ignorant public, the race will be a close one.
43 posted on 02/18/2004 8:34:35 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Yaaaawn Cash & Kerry mentions his tour in VN about every third sentence, yet nobody asks about his medals. The guy is a bigger hero than Sgt Murphy and nobody asks. Maybe he is as big a phony as we all think he is???

Pray for W and The Truth

44 posted on 02/18/2004 8:34:47 PM PST by bray (Vote Kerry, 10,000 Al Queda can't be wrong!)
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To: Howlin
Thanks, Howlin.

I just read this, and I feel it goes beyond simple opinion. The number of disconnects do not connect very well at all. If you try to string enough of Kerry's claims, it's like trying to stack marbles in a corner.

There are a number of things to consider, and one that has stuck out in my mind is when he went after the rocketeer on the beach, after having carved him up with a fifty-cal, he may have seriously broken the rules of engagement. Plus, he had immediately anchored his boat and crew to the location, figuratively, putting them in needless danger. I am not a military man, but it seems this to me is not a very pretty thing for Kerry to hang his hat upon.
45 posted on 02/18/2004 8:34:59 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Makes sense to me. I can't believe Kerry's war record.
46 posted on 02/18/2004 8:35:20 PM PST by Big Horn (A waist is a terrible thing to mind.)
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To: ex-Texan
Does anybody know wat his family background really is? Does he have any senators or D.C. power players in his family tree?

His mother is a Forbes .. and he once dated Jackie Kennedy's step sister

47 posted on 02/18/2004 8:35:23 PM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Can we get verification of these claims from our Freeper Vietnam Vets?
48 posted on 02/18/2004 8:35:24 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: mylife
My brother served in Vietnam in 1966 and 1971 - both time for a year - both times leaving a wife and 4 children at home. But to get him to talk about it later was like pulling teeth. He just did what needed to be done.

He passed away in November 2000 and was buried the day we elected George W. Bush president, November 7, 2000. He didn't have to talk about his tour of duty in Vietnam for you to know he was a great man. I miss him so much.

I wish john kerry would shut up. He doesn't know the first thing about serving honorably.
49 posted on 02/18/2004 8:35:40 PM PST by Texagirl4W (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all. - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: nutmeg
bump
50 posted on 02/18/2004 8:36:00 PM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F'in Kerry!)
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