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This father should be praised even though the daughter is kinda old to get spanked but at least the AP framed what happened correctly....I was expecting headline, "Father Physically Abuses Daughter".
1 posted on 02/24/2004 10:53:45 AM PST by wallcrawlr
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My father had a construction company that did a lot of work on public schools throughout the state. He witnesses an exact act like this back in the mid '70s.

A woman asks him where a certain teacher's class was. Thinking nothing of it he pointed it out. A few minutes later he heard a big commotion and ran to see what it was. He thought the woman was going after the teacher. When he got to the class the woman was giving her daughter a "whoopin" in front of the class to teach her a lesson. Turns out the girl had been a problem student, the school couldn't straighten her out, mom told her at home to straighten out, she didn't so mom made a public spectacle out of her punishment and promised to do it again if she continued to act up. Point is the girl didn't like being humiliated in front of her peers. Tough justice got her mind right.

The inner city had a dirty trick to control problem kids. Welfare moms got a certain sum for each dependent kid. I forget the details but the school would threaten to expel kids which would threaten the amount of the welfare check. There was something about the kid being in school meant more money (would also find kids 20-21 still in high school). So if mom wanted to keep the money rolling the kid had to stay in school and voila! - trouble kid got "religion" before he got expelled.

60 posted on 02/24/2004 11:34:44 AM PST by u-89
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To: wallcrawlr
Good! When I was a kid you screw up you got a whippin...Now days you correct you kid you are an abuser
62 posted on 02/24/2004 11:36:52 AM PST by JamesA (Stand up, stand together or die as one.)
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To: wallcrawlr
I believe in spanking but I think a high schooler is past the age of effectiveness for spanking. Doing it in front of her classmates makes her Dad an idiot and a jerk. You are supposed to protect your daughters, not publicly humiliate them. Good job "Dad".
64 posted on 02/24/2004 11:38:10 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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To: wallcrawlr
There are a lot of folks on this thread that agree with this and about as many that don't.

IMO important point most are missing, unless this kid is physically harmed (abused) then whatever he did do his daughter is none of your freaking business whatsoever.

His kid, his rules, everyone else butt the hell out. Obvious exceptions to abusive situations, which this one isn't and please no nannies need to reply to me that it was.
73 posted on 02/24/2004 11:46:10 AM PST by American_Centurion (Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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To: wallcrawlr
The father is a clod with no sense.

Discipline should take place by the parents, AT HOME.

This idiot has just handed more ammo to the bed-wetting libs and the litigation types.

76 posted on 02/24/2004 11:47:53 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: wallcrawlr
So the father thinks it's okay to physically discipline and humiliate a teenage girl in front of her peers. And this girl is disrupting class. Apparently, the apple doesn't fall far...
81 posted on 02/24/2004 11:49:52 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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Misjudgement on the father's part. Besides not meting out private punishment, he is now on the radar screen of the human svcs. dept. which can't be good, and might be bad for future reference.

vaudine
82 posted on 02/24/2004 11:50:25 AM PST by vaudine
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To: wallcrawlr
I've worked as a substitute at a local high school and junior high school and I can tell you it's bad, especially in the junior high school. Most of the kids who seriously want to learn and go on to college get into advanced placement classes in high school. These are the classes where the kids can get dual high school and college credit if they take the A/P exams before going into college. The lower level classes in math and science are pretty much a joke, the kids know it and take advantage of the situation.

If a teacher has to discipline a child, it's the teacher who gets called in to the principal's office. I've got a friend who teaches 4 sections (25-30 students per section) of regular high school "social studies". After the Christmas break she had 52 students with F's for failure to turn in homework assignments. That's almost half her students. We aren't talking about hard assignments and the kids were given more than one opportunity to turn in their work. She was frantic to try to find a way to pass these kids who REFUSED to turn in their work so she wouldn't have to turn in failing grades for them. She knew if she did there would be complaints from the parents and the administration. SHE would be the one to get in trouble. It's the dumbing down of America folks. The kids didn't worry because they knew that she would have to pass them.

The discipline of children begins with teaching them a belief and reverence for God (something greater than themselves), respect for oneself, respect in the home and respect for others in authority and personal responsibility for one's own actions. These things are obviously absent in many homes throughout our nation.

I never had to spank my child and was never called in to address disciplinary problems regarding my daughter during her whole school career. I will admit that she was an "easy child" who never gave me one minute of trouble. I believe that was, in part, a result of the way that we raised her. She is 21 now and ranked in the top 3% of college students in the country.

While I applaud the father for making the effort to discipline this child, it may too little too late if she reached high school age and still needed to be spanked. There are times when spanking is warranted but the problem with repetitive corporal punishment is that if the child survives the first round it has to be so repugnant that the child will not want to repeat the behavior. If the behavior continues you, as the one administering the punishment, have to make the next punishment worse in order to stop the behavior.

83 posted on 02/24/2004 11:51:05 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws and return DUE PROCESS to our citizens))
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``The students were horrified,''

I bet they were!! Most have never felt the sting of the bare hand or leather belt across the buttocks. ...or the horror of having your parent come into your classroom for any reason.

95 posted on 02/24/2004 11:59:08 AM PST by TexasCajun
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this strikes me (pun intended) as classic "do as i say, not as i do" ... the child disrupts the class and then the dad punishes the child by disrupting the class ...
97 posted on 02/24/2004 12:00:11 PM PST by southern bale
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To: wallcrawlr
Want to permanently ruin your relationship with your child?

Humiliate them. Treat them like dirt. That's a good start.
98 posted on 02/24/2004 12:02:18 PM PST by rogueleader
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the father entered the classroom, called his daughter to the front and told her he would not have her disrupting class. He then told the girl to turn around, and spanked her on her bottom, the assistant principal said.

So what's the problem? (I know, I know, the gnashing of teeth, the wringing of hands, "Oh, the humanities!")

Just damn.

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114 posted on 02/24/2004 12:48:17 PM PST by mhking
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Can someone please tell me WHY the special bus to DU makes a stop here?

Jesus H. Mahogany!

126 posted on 02/24/2004 1:14:17 PM PST by Houmatt (Justice For Carlie!)
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To: wallcrawlr
That's pretty messed up. The guy seems to have quite a temper on him. There's no way this could have the desired result. She's only going to be angry at him and she's going to have the support of her peers.

Parents who behave like this don't have well behaved kids.
127 posted on 02/24/2004 1:18:30 PM PST by MattAMiller
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At least he didn't stun gun and pepper spray her like my dad used to at school.
129 posted on 02/24/2004 1:19:37 PM PST by Monty22
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``The students were horrified,'' James P. Heiden, the district's director of student services, said of the incident. ``It took everybody by complete surprise.''

Thats Because discipline has been out the door for so long in this country and in our schools its not even funny.

You even mention busting a kids but for bad behavior and your some kind of monster most THINKING people know the difference between a BEATING and a SPANKING !

139 posted on 02/24/2004 1:58:28 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Luk17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea)
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Right, wrong or otherwise, I bet she doesn't disrupt another class.
146 posted on 02/24/2004 2:16:58 PM PST by PsyOp (The slightest quarrel can produce a wholly disproportionate effect — a real explosion. - Clauswitz)
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notify her father when he was at school the next day addressing a situation with another child.

I am not at all surprised that this sadist's kids are causing trouble at school. They are learning violence and reckless behavior in their own home. If he is willing to beat and humiliate his kid in front of her peers, imagine what a horror story their home life must be.

148 posted on 02/24/2004 2:24:15 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (arabed - verb: lower in esteem; hurt the pride of [syn: mortify, chagrin, humble, abase, humiliate])
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If a Father is still spanking his teenage daughter, there is a good chance he's trying to play "catch-up" for lacking discipline in the past.

If a Father is spanking his teenage daughter in front of a classroom full of teenagers, there is a good chance he's a sick exhibitionist freak. He probably "tucks her in" at night too.
150 posted on 02/24/2004 2:41:45 PM PST by socal_parrot (Howard Dean, contact your career counselor.)
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Okay, what jumps out at me is this: His kid is disruptive enough in the classroom that it gets reported to him and he happens to be at school to deal with ANOTHER kid's poor behavior as well?

I sincerely doubt this man's choice to spank his daughter in class is indicative of an effective parent since his children are obviously troublemakers.

152 posted on 02/24/2004 3:00:47 PM PST by MiniCooperChick
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