What the ?? Fox News Says David Dreier and Tom DeLay Won't Support Amendment to Define Marriage?

FREEPers Everywhere

[Recovering_Democrat]

Can someone PLEASE explain to me? President Bush comes out on the RIGHT side of the culture war, to save marriage (whatever you might think of the Constitutional Amendment idea) and TWO of the biggest Republicans in the HOUSE are already poo-poohing the idea!!

I don't really care to hear Bush bashing or Republican Party bashing in general...I'd really LOVE to hear some ideas on why these guys aren't coming out and saying some GOOD things.

Geez, Bill Clinton was wrong on SO MUCH, and his party marched in lockstep to defend him nearly everyday. Today, finding a member of the leadership rushing to defend this President is like looking for hen's teeth.

[tomahawk]

You are ignoring the U.S. Constitution's Full Faith and Credit Clause, which requires all other states to recognize a marriage in one state.

Massachusetts legalizing gay marriage forces all other states to recognize the gay marriage performed in that state, unless the U.S. Constitution is amended to avoid that result.

[longtermmemmory]

Mass, SF have made this a fed issue.

It sounds like these Reps. have not paid attention to this issue and now their misjudgment over the issue his sneaking up on thme.


I read here on FR that DC has a 20% homosexual pop. Could these reps have homosexual 5th columnists in their ranks?

BTW clinton WAS a lawyer in 1996 he KNEW Fed Doma would be overturned, that is why he signed it.

[Schattie]

Have you read the second part of the FFaC clause? That's what I thought the DOMA dealt with... it states that Congress may regulate how FFaC is handled.
***
Section 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
***
I could be reading it wrong.

[Arkinsaw]

The Defense of Marriage Act ensures that homo marriages in Vermont don't have to be recognized by Alabama.

Neville Chamberlain waved a piece of paper also and thought he had peace in his time.

[jwalsh07]

The Stupid Party earns its name again.

Evidently.

[tomahawk]

I was unaware of Loughran v. Loughran. I'll have to read it and hope your characterization of it is right.

[MinuteGal]

Lighten up.....we both know no one is going to be arrested. We can dream, can't we?

Leni

[Petronski]

The Defense of Marriage Act ensures that homo marriages in Vermont don't have to be recognized by Alabama.

I hope you are five members of the U.S. Supreme Court.

[duckln]

It's in the dictionary, just like dog and cat.

[tomahawk]

I looked at Loughran v. Loughran. It is a 1934 SCOTUS case.

SCOTUS can easily overrule it.

I still believe amending the U.S. Constitution is the only way to preserve marriage in this nation.

[SolidSupplySide]

If Massachusetts says Adam and Steve are married, Tennessee would be required to treat them as married when they move here.

This is absolutely false. FF&C cannot force a state to violate its own laws. If Tennessee does not recognize gay marriage, a gay marriage from another state is null and void in Tennessee.

[jwalsh07]

What is likely is that the fed and each state's DOMAs will be overturned on the basis of equal protection or privacy (I agree that it's wrong, but that's the most likely scenario.)

And equal protection will spread homosexual "marriage" like wildfire. SCOTUS will never give the okie dokie to treating Mass citizens one way and the rest of us another way as regards SS, Medicare, Medicaid, IRS et al.

Equal protection will make the Mass fait accompli the US fait accompli. Nothing to be done about it but an amendment and from reading this thread, I am doubtful an amendment will pass.

Welcome to the Brave New World.

[Petronski]

It opens the door to liberal mischief because a constitutional convention will allow other amendments to be offered, not only the one WE like.

There are two paths to constitutional amendment, only one of them involves a convention. The proposal endorsed today DOES NOT involve a convention.

[jwalsh07]

It's in the dictionary, just like dog and cat.

I take this to mean that you were wrong and marraige has never been defined Constitutionally. No problem, I knew you were wrong from the gitgo.

[onedoug]

Until it's overturned by the courts....

[jwalsh07]

If Tennessee does not recognize gay marriage, a gay marriage from another state is null and void in Tennessee.

Oh really? Does Tennessee recognise marraiges from other states when one of the parties to the marriage is under the age of consent but over the age of consent in the state they came from?

You bet your bottom dollar they do.

[B.O. Plenty]

Exactly....I think the pay for fed judges should just be frozen...no raises for them....ever until they do what they are supposed to do....namely interpert the law, not make the law.

Art 3 section 1 says that the compensation for judges cannot be diminished...It doesnt say that they are entitled to raises. It would probably trigger a lawsuit in federal court to define a decrease in compensation, but given some clever and innovative lawyers on our side...the argument could take years.

Maybe Mark Levin would be interested in arguing for fixing fed judge pay....

[rintense]

It will become a federal issue ANYWAY, when lawsuit, after lawsuit is appealed and eventually winds up in the hands of the SCOTUS.

Now tell me.

Who would you rather have decide this issue? The American people, or the courts?

[lonestar]

Their actions might reflect their opinion that with Bush's numbers looking less robust that they might want to distance themselves a bit; no coattails, no gain.

DeLay wouldn't have a problem supporting Bush on this.

[SolidSupplySide]

jwalsh07,

Read Loughran v. Loughran. The US Supreme Court said that DC did not have to recognize a legal marriage from Florida because such a marriage would be against the laws of DC.

Translate to today. Tennessee would not have to recognize a potential legal gay marriage from Massachusetts if the marriage is against the laws of Tennessee.

FF&C has never been used to force a state to violate its own laws.