Missouri Supreme Court Upholds Concealed Gun Law

NewsChannel 5 St Louis ^ | Created: 2/26/2004 12:17:40 PM | newschannel5

[kt56]

KSDK) -- The Missouri Supreme Court has ruled in the ongoing fight over Missouri's "concealed carry" law. The ruling upholds the law as constitutional in Missouri.

However, the court has reversed certain parts of the complicated law.

For now, it can't be enforced in Jackson, Cape Girardeau, Greene, or Camden counties because of funding concerns.

But those same concerns could lead to future appeals, to prevent the law from taking effect in other counties.

Under the law, Missourians age 23 and older can get concealed gun permits after passing background checks and a training course.

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Did a search and didn't see anything on this yet,,,will have to see how the unfunded mandate issue pans out...developing

[TheBigB]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1086012/posts

[Conservababe]

I'm in Cape Girardeau County. What does this funding concern mean?

[An Old Man]

"For now, it can't be enforced in Jackson, Cape Girardeau, Greene, or Camden counties because of funding concerns"

Why not? If the law says you can. just get the cops to stop everyone and give them a gun!

Seems fair to me.

Semper Fi

[kt56]

Not sure yet,,,might mean that those counties aren't obligated to process or issue permits, I don't know if that means permits issued in other counties are not valid in those counties..just don't know yet,,,very confusing.

Here's a good site to keep updated at,,,
MissouriCarry.com

[Conservababe]

I just talked to someone at the sheriff's office and he said that he has no idea what it means, yet.

[zerosix]

To punish the hometown/county of Rush Limbaugh!

[Lee Heggy]

It means that here in Kansas City we don't have enough of a budget to allow the County authorities the personell to process the permits. Yeah...sure. It'll require BILLIONS of dollars to do it and it'll take funds away from other departments that regulate matresses and curbs. When Kansas votes for it and has to overide their Govenor's veto then the funds will be discovered inside of some dormant fountain or old office funiture from city hall.

[Peace will be here soon]

Our State Supreme Court is simply amazing. I knew they would come out with some screwy ruling on this. It took them so long to even make a ruling that you know they were desperately trying to find a way to whack this law down. Seems they may have found a way, but needed to give the opposition a little more ammo. At least for someone to get it back into court.

[TroutStalker]

See #23 here:

Missouri Supreme Court Upholds Constitutionality of Concealed Carry Law

[oyez]

Whats the government got to fund? The Citizens buy the gun, ammo, insurance and permits. Sounds like the gov gets a boost here.

[kt56]

Our State Supreme Court is simply amazing. I knew they would come out with some screwy ruling on this. It took them so long to even make a ruling that you know they were desperately trying to find a way to whack this law down. Seems they may have found a way, but needed to give the opposition a little more ammo. At least for someone to get it back into court.

Exactly, I knew they would figure out a way to keep this off balance and as confusing as possible. Tim Oliver at LTC says they are working on that issue as we speak.

Go here for updates
Tim Olivers LEARN TO CARRY

[spunkets]

"I just talked to someone at the sheriff's office and he said that he has no idea what it means, yet."

In WI the rat sheriffs used the same bogus whine to justify not issuing permits. They claim it will cost less to send a man to mars than to do background checks on 5 people. BTW, the guy on the phone lied. He knows very well what's going on. Since the Sheriff is an elected official they want to obfuscate as much as possible. Those counties need new Sheriffs, that don't consider the citizens of the county a bunch of irresponsible slugs.

[Conservababe]

Oh, I know he lied. Problem is, my sheriff is a Republican. I am awaiting a call from my state representative.

[Lee Heggy]

Thanks, that's about what I figured. I'm not sure if I'll get a permit or not but if I do I will only carry when I feel the need to. The main thing is that not many will want to bet on that bulge being a sandwich instead of a gun.

[Conservababe]

Are you a resident of one of the counties not allowed to issue? If so, you cannot get a permit. You must apply in the county in which you reside.

[Buell_X1-1200]

Congratulations Missouri !! We envy you !!

Now I hope our Kansas Legislature gets up off their hands to press that vote button soon !!!

[therut]

From what I understand my Arkansas permit is now vaild in MO. But due to this stupid ruling those living in Mo in a certain 4 counties can not get a permit. Stupid

[Lee Heggy]

As has been pointed out elsewhere, when those in the surrounding counties that will issue permits begin to carry into Kansas City, Jackson county officials will see that there isn't any point to being a holdout since the costs of getting the permit will pay for the process and then some. The foot dragging is mainly due to the efforts of some community activists such as Alvin Brooks who are anti 2nd Amendment. Mr. Brooks is a man whose constituents are mostly in the black community. He has fears of what legalising conceal and carry could precipitate in that segment and has been very vocal in his convictions. The fact that hundreds if not thousands of those people he is concerned about own and probably carry guns anyway doesn't seem to enter into his rationale. It seems to me that most of the violence in the black community is gang/drugs and 'turf' related and is primarily black on black. It doesn't matter if guns are involved or not. The problem is with a community that is broken and a subculture within that community that has alienated itself.

[Conservababe]

That is not our problem here in Cape Girardeau County. Our sheriff is a Republican and very pro concealed carry. According to him and our state representative, the court included our county because of his testimony in hearings in which he said, when asked, that the county would have to pay a $38 fee to the state trooper office for finger printing. Anyway, our representative, Jason Crowell said that the language would be clarified in an amendment to the statute of funding. And our sheriff, Jordon, said that he would be talking with the county commission Monday to assure them that we have a sheriff's fund that could be used for funding. According to both of them, the problem will be solved within a week.