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[Betaille]

Socially conservative swing states alert... GAY MARRIAGE WILL DESTROY KERRY IN THESE STATES.

[maestro]

Darwin and Darwinism dead and buried!

Amen!

"Go Bucks!"

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[Joe Bonforte]

So let me get this straight. We've got a war against Islamic fanaticism to fight. We've got the entire institution of marriage under attack. The government is growing at ridiculous rates....

And the creationist fanatics would rather spend their time getting indignant over the teaching of evolution - a body of science even a majority of church-going Americans believe is correct in its essentials.

Hey, you guys go ahead and play in this space if you like. But I'm telling you - it does not help your mission. It just makes you look like kooks, and makes it more difficult to advance the rest of the conservative agenda.

But go ahead. You obviously enjoy it.

[_Jim]

'Reinventing the wheel' - YET again on this issue?

I'll bet you guys think this is a) the FIRST time in history this has been addressed - and b) you are the FIRST ones to address this issue - don't you?

Would you like to rake a wild guess as to just how wrong you are on those aforementioned two points?

These issues were addressed, for us, in Sunday school class over thirty to forty years ago - at least - to my direct knowledge ...

[longshadow]

"Festival of Regulating While Ignorant" placemarker

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[Our man in washington]

Religious people tend to have more children than non-religous people. Therefore, over the coming centuries, the genes of religious people will be more likely to be passed on. Religious people have a differential reproductive advantage.

The result will be that evolution will not be taught in school in a thousand years.

[Jeff Gordon]

Anytime you see Evolution Theory called "Darwinism" you know that there is a Crevo Crapper behind it.

[Nebullis]

In fact, the "Critical Analysis" lesson supports the new requirement that students be able to "describe how scientists continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory."

So far, so good. No specific content required. Afterall, science is always an ongoing search for better theory and scientists do continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory.

Students will be taught that theories are tentative explanations that are subject to modification as continued experimentation demands

This is true for all of science. If only evolutionary theory is singled out for this treatment, students are unduly confused.

...the differences between microevolution and macroevolution;

What differences there are don't have any bearing on what is taught at the elementary or secondary level. This is plainly a propaganda tool for the ID/creationists.

...and guided to examine the various lines of evidence for and against the theory of a common ancestry (macroevolution).

How did the IDers wedge this into the standards? Before bunching the Ohio educators into the completely wacko group I checked out the standards here. It provides some relief; it's not as bad as the creationists make it sound in the article above. But this constant wittling away at science by ignorant politicians is a terrible trend.

[Jeff Gordon]

[LiteKeeper]

YEC INTREP - Darwinism

[Coleus]

Truth Cannot Contradict Truth

[Zeroisanumber]

Fiercely protective pro-Darwinists are attempting to derail the new science standards before kids in the classroom ever reap the benefits of this dramatic change in policy. Critics have claimed that the "Critical Analysis of Evolution" lesson mandates the teaching of Intelligent Design.

In fact, the "Critical Analysis" lesson supports the new requirement that students be able to "describe how scientists continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory." Students will be taught that theories are tentative explanations that are subject to modification as continued experimentation demands; the differences between microevolution and macroevolution; and guided to examine the various lines of evidence for and against the theory of a common ancestry (macroevolution).

If these new standards have nothing to do with "Intelligent Design" or other religious crapola, then why is a Christian-centered organization like family.org pushing so hard to have them included?

[MEGoody]

One out of 42 leassons deals with a critique of evolutionary theory, and the evos have their panties all in a twist. They are terrified.

[patriot_wes]

Peter Hoaglund - Nebraska Senator and Humanist member of the Nebraska Board of Education said this in 1983 … Fundamentalists have no right to indoctrinate their children in their beliefs. We are preparing their children for the year 2000 and life in a global one-world society and those children will not fit in!

[shield]

In institutions of learning men are ignoring God and atheistic professors are deceiving the multitudes who seek information and knowledge, leading them to believe they have acquired wisdom when there is no wisdom apart from God. Actually, the great multitudes do not even know what are the first principles of righteousness, yet we call it education.

[Admin Moderator]

Boy, it has been a long time since any of us have had to pop into one of these threads. For that, I am grateful.

I would like to say what I have seen happen here on this thread, because while I haven't seen it happen lately, I have seen it happen before, and when it does happen, it leads to problems.

We had someone who does not often take part in the crevo threads join in here. At first, this person simply stated their opinions. This person called them personal beliefs, personal opinions.

This person was challenged on them. This person defended them. Some people rejected the responses. A few did so in ways which were insulting. This stepped things up. The person made replies accusing others of employing the tactics of the left, then of being leftists. Accusations of being trolls flowed from both sides.

Amazingly, no one hit abuse. Probably because this was a case of a frog being boiled by the heat being applied gradually.

I just read several hundreds of posts to see how the spat that's going on now started, and I see it, but I still can't really identify the exact point where the line was crossed. All I know is that the line has been crossed.

Please don't continue down this path.

[DaGman]

I swear one day there will be another Monkey trial.