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Five Reasons Not to Go See The Passion of Christ
The Banner of Truth: Biblical Christianity through Literature ^ | February 19, 2004 | Andrew J. Webb

Posted on 02/27/2004 8:06:42 PM PST by Weirdad

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Five Reasons Not to Go See The Passion of Christ

By Andrew J. Webb
February 19, 2004

On February 25, 2004 Icon films, will be releasing Mel Gibson's much anticipated film The Passion of Christ. The date of the release was deliberately chosen to coincide with the Roman Catholic holy day of Ash Wednesday, and is indicative of the fact that for Gibson, his film was more of a work of devotion than a money making enterprise. In an interview on the Roman Catholic Television Network EWTN, Gibson candidly stated why this movie is so different from all his others, "It reflects my beliefs-I've never done that before."(1) He is also quite open about his desire to see his movie used for worldwide evangelism. Many noted Evangelicals including James Dobson and Billy Graham have also come forward to endorse The Passion of Christ and recommend its use as a teaching tool. Currently, The Passion of Christ is riding a groundswell of nationwide support from both Evangelicals and Roman Catholics, with many well-known Evangelical congregations, such as best selling author and Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church which purchased 18,000 tickets at seven theatres, doing everything they can to ensure that The Passion of Christ will be a smash hit amongst Christians and "seekers". Expressing a widely held view amongst the film's supporters, Lisa Wheeler, associate editor of Catholic Exchange, a Web portal dedicated to Catholic evangelism, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "It's the best evangelization opportunity we've had since the actual death of Jesus."(2)

But should Evangelicals be supporting The Passion of Christ and endorsing its use as an Evangelism tool? Is this really the best evangelization opportunity we've had since the actual death of Jesus?(3) After careful consideration my conclusion is an unequivocal "No." Here then are five reasons why I believe Evangelicals should not see or recommend the Passion of Christ. 

(1) Its Origins

Even though Evangelicals are promoting The Passion of Christ, it is not an Evangelical movie. As Mel Gibson, a devout Roman Catholic put it so well; "It reflects my beliefs." The Passion of Christ is a Roman Catholic movie, made by a Roman Catholic director, with Roman Catholic theological advisers, which gained the endorsement of Pope John Paul II who said after viewing it, "It is as it was."(4) This is in marked contrast to the Jesus film, which is unabashedly Protestant and Evangelical in its production and message and which has been widely used in evangelizing Roman Catholics. It is largely for this reason that the Jesus film has not been utilized or endorsed by Roman Catholics. By contrast, The Passion of Christ has already proven its effectiveness as an evangelism tool in producing Catholic conversions and encouraging Catholic devotion:

"In his first nationally broadcast interview about his starring role in Mel Gibson's much-anticipated film "The Passion of Christ," James Caviezel - Gibson's Jesus - detailed on Friday the ordeal of filming the Crucifixion scenes, noting that the overall experience prompted many in the crew to convert to Catholicism."

"Noting "the amount of conversions on the movie," he said the experience of filming Christ's story "really changed people's lives."

"Caviezel recalled telling Gibson, "I think it's very important that we have mass every day - at least I need that to play this guy."

"I felt if I was going to play him I needed [the sacrament] in me. So [Gibson] provided that."(5)

(2) Its Script

Although it is widely thought that the script for the movie is based entirely on the gospel according to John, this is not the case. The script for The Passion of Christ contains much extrabiblical material, and is based in part on a mystical Roman Catholic devotional work by an 18th century German Nun (Sister Anne Emmerich) entitled The Dolorous Passion of Christ. Gibson stated on EWTN that reading Emmerich's book was his primary inspiration for making the movie. By introducing extrabiblical elements, not only does The Passion of Christ change some of the theological emphases of the Biblical account of Christ's crucifixion, but it will also create a false impression amongst the very "seekers" that Evangelicals are trying to reach, that things were said and done at the crucifixion that did not actually happen. For Evangelicals, who would feel very uncomfortable with a version of the Bible that put words into the mouth of Christ that He never spoke, to endorse a movie that does the very same thing seems hopelessly inconsistent. Protestants traditionally rejected the Apocrypha precisely because these books were fabricated and contained inauthentic material, despite the fact that these books might have been useful for evangelism. For modern evangelicals to embrace a vehicle that is inauthentic in order to achieve evangelistic ends indicates a serious decline in faithfulness.

The script for The Passion of Christ not only adds things that didn't occur in the Bible, it cuts out other things that did. The most widely known example of this being the important declaration, "His blood be on us and on our children." (Matthew 27:25)

The script for The Passion of Christ was translated into Aramaic and Latin by Father William Fulco, an old friend of Mel Gibson's. This was not done for reasons of making it more authentic.(6) The language decisions in the Passion of Christ were made for theological reasons:

"It is crucial to realize that the images and language at the heart of "The Passion of the Christ" flow directly out of Gibson's personal dedication to Catholicism in one of its most traditional and mysterious forms - the 16th-century Latin Mass.

"I don't go to any other services," the director told the Eternal Word Television Network. "I go to the old Tridentine Rite. That's the way that I first saw it when I was a kid. So I think that that informs one's understanding of how to transcend language. Now, initially, I didn't understand the Latin. ... But I understood the meaning and the message and what they were doing. I understood it very fully and it was very moving and emotional and efficacious, if I may say so."

The goal of the movie is to shake modern audiences by brashly juxtaposing the "sacrifice of the cross with the sacrifice of the altar - which is the same thing," said Gibson. This ancient union of symbols and sounds has never lost its hold on him. There is, he stressed, "a lot of power in these dead languages."

Thus, the seemingly bizarre choice of Latin and Aramaic was actually part of the message." (7)

The script of The Passion of Christ was specifically intended to link the crucifixion of Christ with what Roman Catholics believe is the re-sacrificing of Christ that occurs in the mass. Gibson's intent is to show us that the sacrifice of the cross and the sacrifice of the altar (the mass) are the same thing. Protestant Evangelicals have historically rejected the idea that Christ can be sacrificed again and declared it "abominable." Speaking of the concept that the Crucifixion and the mass is the same thing, the Protestant Westminster Confession declares:

"In this sacrament, Christ is not offered up to his Father; nor any real sacrifice made at all, for remission of sins of the quick or dead; but only a commemoration of that one offering up of himself, by himself, upon the cross, once for all: and a spiritual oblation of all possible praise unto God, for the same: so that the popish sacrifice of the mass (as they call it) is most abominably injurious to Christ's one, only sacrifice, the alone propitiation for all the sins of his elect."(8)

(3) Its Theology

Gibson's comment about the sacrifice of the altar and the sacrifice of the cross shows the indispensable link in this movie between the Catholic view of Christ's sacrifice and the portrayal of the Crucifixion in The Passion of Christ. The fact that Evangelicals have uncritically endorsed it speaks volumes about how far the Evangelical Protestant understanding of Christ's death and the related subject of Justification have slipped since the Reformation. In Roman Catholic theology the intense physical suffering of Christ's Crucifixion is the focus along with the emphasis on physical sacrifice. This is one of the reasons why in Roman Catholic iconography we have so much imagery related to Christ's physical pain and that crucifixes show him still suffering on the cross (the sacrifice of the mass means that Christ's declaration that His once for all sacrifice is completed - "it is finished" (John 19:30) never actually comes, and that His suffering has to be constantly repeated). This emphasis on Christ's physical agony is repeated in Roman Catholic devotional material, prayers, and of course the Passion of Christ. The theology of the bible however points out to us that the grand importance of Christ's crucifixion lay not in His physical suffering, but in His once for all propitiation of God's wrath (1 John 4:10). Lest we forget, the greatest torment that Christ experienced on the cross was not caused by the nails driven into His flesh, but in His being made "sin for us" and vicariously suffering the righteous punishment of the Father in our place. Even the worst physical torments inflicted by the Sanhedrin and the Romans upon Jesus were nothing by comparison to the anguish of having the sins of all the elect imputed to Him and making full satisfaction for them. Satisfying the justice of the Romans on a cross was comparatively easy, thousands of condemned men and women including Spartacus and several of the Apostles did that, but only Christ could satisfy the justice of God.

Also central to the Christian Gospel, but missing from The Passion of Christ, is the concept of Christ's active obedience. Christ not only died for the sins of His sheep on the cross but He established their righteousness through His perfect obedience to God's Law. It is only if His passive obedience in dying on the cross and His active obedience in keeping the law are imputed to believers per 2 Cor. 5:21 that believers will be justified before almighty God. The Passion of Christ does not even make any pretence of teaching the active obedience of Christ, the entire notion of which is alien to Roman Catholic theology. Therefore if Evangelicals intend to use this as a Gospel teaching tool, they must understand that at best they are teaching only half a gospel, and that the half they are teaching is defectively presented.

The sacrifice of Christ was a glorious event in which, in accordance with God's plan, full satisfaction for sin was procured by Christ on behalf of His people (Acts 2:43). The Passion of Christ leaves us with a vision of the sacrifice of Christ that is only dolorous (Dolorous: Full of grief; sad; sorrowful; doleful; dismal) and which puts into sharp relief the Roman Catholic notion not only of the importance of Christ's agony, but that of Mary in "offering her Son." In an interview with Zenit, the Roman Catholic News Service, Father Thomas Rosica, the priest who oversaw World Youth Day 2002 and its Way of the Cross through the streets of Toronto, illustrated how The Passion of Christ, in keeping with Roman Catholic theology, uses extrabiblical content to massively exaggerate the role of Mary:

"One scene, in particular, was very moving. As Jesus falls on the Way of the Cross, there is a flashback to his falling on a Jerusalem street as a child, and his mother running out of the house to pick him up. The interplay of Mary and Jesus in this film is moving, and reaches its apex in the scene of the Pietà.

The Mother of the Lord is inviting each of us to share her grief and behold her Son."(9)

This use of extra-biblical material, emphasis on physical suffering, exaggeration of the role of Mary, and explicitly Roman Catholic theology should not surprise us, however, as these are all hallmarks of the primary inspiration for this movie: The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Let me give two examples of what I mean especially as concerns the replacement of physical pain for the far greater agony of sin bearing:

"He will not stretch himself out, but we will help him;? they accompanied these words with the most fearful oaths and imprecations, and having fastened a rope to his right leg, dragged it violently until it reached the wood, and then tied it down as tightly as possible. The agony which Jesus suffered from this violent tension was indescribable; the words ?My God, my God,? escaped his lips, and the executioners increased his pain by tying his chest and arms to the cross, lest the hands should be torn from the nails." (10)

"The hour of our Lord was at last come; his death-struggle had commenced; a cold sweat overspread every limb. John stood at the foot of the Cross, and wiped the feet of Jesus with his scapular. Magdalen was crouched to the ground in a perfect frenzy of grief behind the Cross. The Blessed Virgin stood between Jesus and the good thief, supported by Salome and Mary of Cleophas, with her eyes riveted on the countenance of her dying Son. Jesus then said: 'It is consummated;? and, raising his head, cried out in a loud voice, ?Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.? These words, which he uttered in a clear and thrilling tone, resounded through heaven and earth; and a moment after, he bowed down his head and gave up the ghost. I saw his soul, under the appearance of a bright meteor, penetrate the earth at the foot of the Cross. John and the holy women fell prostrate on the ground."(11)

Emmerich's book is literally filled with scenes like those above, and includes many extra-biblical sayings of Jesus which Sister Anne says she personally heard in her visions.

(4) Its Medium

Many Evangelical Pastors are hailing movies like The Passion of Christ as part of a new and better way of spreading the Gospel:

"This is a window of opportunity we have. Here's a guy who's putting his money into a movie that has everything to do with what we do," said pastor Cory Engel of Harvest Springs Community Church in Great Falls, Mont.

"Churches used to communicate by having a little lecture time on Sunday morning. People don't interact that way anymore. Here's a chance for us to use a modern-day technique to communicate the truth of the Bible," the Rev. Engel said."(12)

It is indeed true that we live in a highly visual and increasingly anti-literate society that places a premium on sound bites and easily assimilated visual imagery, but does this mean that we should abandon preaching in favor of using movies or dramatic presentations? We need to remember that the last time dramatic presentations replaced preaching as the main vehicle by which the truth of the Bible was communicated was during the middle-ages when the church refused to allow the translation of the Bible into common languages and when in place of the preaching and teaching of God's word, the common people were given visual presentations such as Passion Plays, statues, relics, and icons. These things were designed, like most visual imagery, to play upon the emotions and stimulate a response; but the ability to evoke an emotional response via imagery or drama is not the same as successfully transmitting the Gospel. The means that God has ordained for the transmission of the Gospel, was neither drama, imagery, nor even "lectures" - it is preaching. Preaching involves the communication of the Gospel in a way that patiently convinces, rebukes, exhorts, and teaches (2 Timothy 4:2-4). The bible teaches us the awesome importance of preaching and why it cannot be replaced by another medium:

We must preach God's Word regardless of how unpopular it is because we are commanded to do so: "Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." (2 Timothy 4:2-4) 

We must preach God's Word because it always accomplishes the purpose for which it was sent: "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater, So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." (Isa.55:9-11)

God does not command us to produce dramatic presentations of Gospel themes, He commands us to preach. Though this option was freely available to the Apostles as they brought the Gospel to cities with amphitheaters and a long tradition of using the dramatic arts to convey religious and moral themes to the populace they did not do so. The wisdom of the Apostolic methodology has been borne out by the fact that it was when the Gospel was being transmitted primarily by plays and symbolism that true Christianity began to sink under the weight of superstition. We are in danger of returning to precisely that state of affairs by reviving the teaching methodology of the medieval church. Even though it was produced in the 21st century, The Passion of Christ is identical in all critical aspects to the Passion Plays of the Roman Catholic Church in the Middle Ages.

(5) Its Main Character

Billy Graham in his endorsement of The Passion of Christ said, "Every time I preach or speak about the Cross, the things I saw on the screen will be on my heart and mind."(13) This is unfortunately part of the problem with all visual representations of Jesus. Although we may intend for them only to have a role in teaching, they inevitably become part of our worship and adoration. As a result of seeing this film James Caviezel, the "Jesus" of The Passion of Christ, will become the figure countless thousands if not millions of people think of when they worship Jesus Christ. To do this is to fall into the trap of changing "the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man" (Romans 1:23) and to violate the Second Commandment.

Every visual representation of Jesus is inevitably a lie. There are two main reasons for this.

The first reason why all visual representations of Jesus are lies is because the only wise God went to great lengths not to leave us with any description of the physical appearance of His Son lest we fall into the sin of image making. Therefore all of our representations of Jesus are inevitably speculations usually based upon our own desires. We create an image of Jesus that says more about the Jesus we want than the Jesus whom God sent.

For instance, isn't it remarkable that the Jesus of The Passion of Christ, as in almost all physical representations of Christ, is tall, slim, and handsome? Why should not The Son of David (Luke 18:38) have been a relatively small man like His great ancestor? It never seems to have occurred to most image-makers that Jesus could be relatively short, or stout, or even have had a receding hairline. This is in spite of the fact that one of the few details the Bible does give us about Christ's appearance is that "He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him." (Is. 53:2b) The fact that we have any concept of what Jesus looks like and that Gibson's Jesus looks like the traditional Jesus, is a testament to the abiding impact of past iconography. While the Gospels, purposely leave out any description of Jesus that we might use to construct an idol, people have created an image of Jesus that has become almost an industry standard, and it is solely for that reason rather than any basis in fact that audiences would have been outraged had Gibson cast Danny DeVito and not James Caviezel in the leading role.

The Second reason why all visual representations of Jesus are lies is that they can never hope to represent the glory of Christ in His true nature. The best an image of Jesus can do is to represent him as a man, and while Jesus was truly a man, He was not merely a man. Jesus was also God, and no artist or filmmaker who has ever lived could hope to create an image that captures the true Glory of Jesus as God. While this may not appear to be a problem to us, the separation of Christ's manhood from His deity is actually a grave heresy called Nestorianism. We must not therefore attempt to separate what God has forever joined together.

For the first four centuries of its existence the church did not use pictures of Jesus as an aid to evangelism. This was despite the fact that they were bringing the gospel to highly visual cultures that had always used imagery to convey religious ideas. The initial movements towards making pictures of Christ were initially strongly opposed, and the practice was formally condemned by the church as late as 753 AD. Unfortunately, once they had taken hold of the public imagination, the practice of making visible representations of Christ proved difficult if not impossible to eradicate and gradually, pictures and dramatic representations of Jesus became quite commonplace in the church. At the time of the Reformation, Protestants overwhelmingly rejected the practice of making images of Jesus as a clear violation of the Second Commandment. They also rejected the notion that such images had a necessary role as "textbooks for the laity" and then proved that notion false by producing generations of other Protestants well versed in the word and familiar with their Savior although they had never once owned or seen a representation of him.

Rather than visual imagery, they relied on the preaching of the Word to save souls, and the gospel made great advances. If we return to the use of imagery and begin endorsing movies like The Passion of Christ, we will be returning to the very state of affairs the first Protestants struggled and died to reform. We must not think that merely endorsing one form of visible representation of Christ will not lead inevitably to others. For instance, it is impossible to make a coherent argument against the use of the crucifix in teaching the Gospel if we have already endorsed the use of a movie that portrays the crucifixion. Merely because one display is static and the other moving does not change their essential nature at all. The Passion of Christ is in essence, an animated Crucifix.

In closing, let me address a common objection, namely that we must use tools like The Passion of Christ in order to reach the lost and that if we don't we are "missing a great opportunity."

Are we really missing an opportunity though? If we are convinced that using a Roman Catholic movie to present the Gospel is in essence a violation of God's law, how could we possibly use it? Should we sin that grace may abound?

Also, are we really certain that this will be as effective as we think in saving souls? J. Marcellus Kik in his Pictures of Christ addressed that very question and gave us some wise advice, which I think all Christians would do well to heed:

"But can it not help in the saving of souls, it is asked. But how? Looking at a picture of Christ hanging upon the cross tells me nothing. It does not tell me that He hung there for sin. It does not tell me that He hung there for my sin. It does not tell me that He is the Son of God. Only the Word of God does that. And it is the Word of God that has been given us to tell the story of salvation through the blood of Christ. It is not through the foolishness of pictures that sinners are converted but through the foolishness of preaching.

It is amazing how slowly unscriptural practices enter the Christian Church. We must at all times go back to the Scriptures. The Bible is our infallible guide. And if our practices and doctrines do not conform with the teachings of the Scriptures then we must eliminate them. The Bible instructs the Church not to make any likeness of Christ. The present day pictures of Christ are false and no one would make a serious claim that they resemble Christ upon earth. They separate His humanity from His deity. They do not at all give us a glimpse of His present glory. They are not condoned by the inspired apostles.

God has ordained the foolishness of preaching to evangelize the world. He has promised to attend the preaching of the Word with the power of the Holy Spirit. The so-called pictures of Christ are a hindrance and a temptation to idolatry. Let us cleanse the Temple of God from them." (14)

Perhaps The Passion of Christ will provide Evangelicals with a great opportunity after all. They are being given a rare opportunity to reject the world's methods and to recommit themselves to fulfilling God's commission to preach the Gospel and to trust that that preaching will always accomplish what He pleases. Let us hope that they will seize it.

Endnotes:

  1. 13-January-2004 -- EWTNews Feature http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=42801
  2. "Churches Make 'Stunning' Show of Support for Gibson's 'Passion'" Newsmax (Thursday, Feb. 5, 2004) 3. Interestingly enough, the actual death of Jesus on the cross produced hardly any conversions. It is the preaching of Christ Crucified that has historically been "the best opportunity for evangelism"
  3. Interestingly enough, the actual death of Jesus on the cross produced hardly any conversions. It is the preaching of Christ Crucified that has historically been "the best opportunity for evangelism"
  4. Papal Praise for "The Passion" "It Is as It Was," John Paul II Says ZENIT (2003-12 18) http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=46445
  5. "Mel Gibson's 'Christ' Reveals Crucifixion" Newsmax (Sunday, Jan. 5, 2004) 
  6. This is especially true when one considers that all the Gospels were written in Koine Greek the common language of the area and not Aramaic or Latin. 
  7. "The passion of Mel Gibson" By TERRY MATTINGLY, Scripps Howard News Service, January 21, 2004 
  8. The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 29.2 
  9. Father Thomas Rosica on Mel Gibson's "The Passion", National Director of World Youth Day 2002 Weighs in on Film (2004-02-06) http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=48636 
  10.  The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ, by Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich
  11.  Ibid.
  12.  "Churches Make 'Stunning' Show of Support for Gibson's 'Passion'", Newsmax (Thursday, Feb. 5, 2004)
  13.  "What Others Are Saying" http://www.passionchrist.org/
  14.  "Pictures of Christ," by J. Marcellus Kik


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To: BibChr
The $64,000 question is WHY they went to the Catholic church. Because, ultimately, a Catholic had the moxie to produce this film, when a thousand evangelical multimillionaires did not? That the Samaritan did what the Israelites refused to do?

Certainly it is far better to seek one's allegiance to God through a thousand laboriously learned technicalities of a "proper biblical faith," than to place one's simple salvational trust in the person of Jesus Christ. (irony)

141 posted on 02/27/2004 10:04:27 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: Weirdad
Good article bump...
142 posted on 02/27/2004 10:05:08 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: formerDem
---Puh-leese. No mere mortal is capable of 'changing the glory of the incorruptible God...---

The passage in Romans refers to idolatry, which is forbidden even when well intentioned.
143 posted on 02/27/2004 10:05:16 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: tbird5; unspun; Ronzo; All
Regarding (and with other comments): Is it wrong to think many Protestants have a problem with the Catholic Church and it's teachings? I am a Catholic and I feel that many protestants think my religion is weird. I think what he has to say many Protestants would agree, if they really understood Gibson's film. He's right, it is a very Roman Catholic film.

I have not seen the movie but it does seem that it is a very Catholic movie. Movies themselves are in some ways "Catholic" compared to the teaching devices used by Protestants.

I come from a 1950's "mixed marriage." My Dad is Catholic and my Mother is Presbyterian. The Catholics in the neighborhood thought I was weird because I attended public school, and the public school kids thought I was weird because I was Catholic. (Little did they know that I'm just weird, period.) And on top of that we were the only Republicans in the family and the entire neighborhood. That was really weird in northeast Ohio! I took my faith seriously and was an alter boy and was confirmed in the Catholic Church. Moreover, my second cousin is a Roman Catholic Cardinal in the Vatican who has been in charge of "The Propagation of the Faith" worldwide. However, I our home never had a Bible to read until my senior year in public high school when my English teacher made her students buy King James Bibles to read 'as literature' to supplement other books.

Despite the Catholic upbringing, I always liked attending church more with my mother because it was a thoughtful atmosphere where I could learn more about God. It fit me.

My senior year in college I read the Bible myself, and have never been back to the Catholic Church--not because I do not think that it is Christian--IT IS--but because it simply does not fit ME in these modern times when we all are well educated as only the Priests were in the past. Symbols and statues and rote are no longer necessary for most of us to come to understand God, and they often get in the way. Today we can read His word for ourselves and understand complex exposition.

So I found Jesus in the Catholic Church, but personally needed more. The Latin masses I attended in my youth did not equip me to live well or to explain God to others.

So with that background I now very often DEFEND the Catholic Church against Protestants who do not understand it, but I also love and appreciate and participate (in a 'Bible Church') in the Protestant movement that God sent to steer his people.

Most Freepers understand that a solid diet of nothing but television is educationally bad for our society because it wastes time and displaces reading and education of other types. Eventually the viewers become unable to maintain attention long enough to function at all in any type of non-entertaining setting. By the same token, the author's point that most Christians are better off reading and listening to inspired preaching is well taken and should serve as a reminder to Protestant Christians that there is a lot more to what we believe than what it portrayed in this movie.

However, the Catholic Church with its symbolism and ceremony has truly brought many people to Jesus, people who might have no motivation to investigate a dryer presentation of Christ. God brings people to Himself in many ways. Therefore despite the movie's Catholic flavor which can be problematic to some protestants, I hope that this film is very successful in doing helping many unsaved people to discover and accept Jesus. Many evangelical Christians have the sane view and truly as 'unspun' alluded to via his (or her) quote, we Christians should NOT impede those who, like Mel Gibson, are helping spread the goodness of Christ. However, it is good for us to examine carefully the modalities that we use to teach each other, like this film, so that we can be sure that we avoid pitfalls and side effects that might not be obvious at first. That is why I thought this article was interesting--a lot of it is 'right on' for Protestants who also need reminders of the basic of their faith, especially is those reminders are used for their own edification and not to divide Christians; but the article it is at odds with some Catholics and with Protestants who have not carefully thought about the movie. And the reliance on non-Biblical material is good to know about.

Ronzo: I'm not apologizing for post. I'm not that thin-skinned about discussing issues here, and I do not think anyone else is either. It's one Protestant view on the movie. I did not post it to advertise the view, nor to divide, but to promote discussion, and it's done that. Catholic and Protestant Christians need to understand each other and this movie is obviously a meeting ground.

My political posts never seem to get any comments. Maybe I should stick to religion! Thanks for all the thoughtful comments above. I still have not decided whether to go to the movie, but I think the DVD idea may be a winner.

Weirdad

144 posted on 02/27/2004 10:05:34 PM PST by Weirdad (A Free Republic, not a "democracy" (mob rule))
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To: MegaSilver
This article is nothing but pure and simple Romophobia from start to finish.

I couldn't agree more...and I am not Catholic. Sheesh, what next? First they try to drive a wedge between Jews and Christians with all the accusations of anti-Semitism. Then they try to keep "decent" people from seeing this movie because it's "pornographically violent". They even threw the race card on the table a few days ago. Did you know there are no minorities in the film...gasp! Now they're going to try to drive a wedge between Catholics and Protestants?? What a joke. At least the controversies have exposed some of the wolves who masquerade in sheep's clothing, like Andrew Webb.

145 posted on 02/27/2004 10:05:47 PM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Weirdad
Ridiculous article.
146 posted on 02/27/2004 10:06:49 PM PST by wardaddy (A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
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To: rwfromkansas
"...But I be danged if I am going to let some modern touchy-feely so-called "evangelical" try to stifle the criticsm of Catholic heresies...."

As if there were no heresy in the ranks of the evangelicals...after all, we are the keepers of the TRUTH, are we not? All other non-evangelical denominations must bow down at OUR alter of truth, because we are the ONLY ONES WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE! No one else, just us! They're all heretics, those so-called "Christians." Don't know their scripture from a hole-in-the-wall.

It crap like this from you and the knucklehead that wrote this article that sets back the cause of Christ 2,000 years.

By the way, since you have set yourself up as the judge and jury of what is truly "evangelical" and what is "heresy," why don't you flatter all of us with your credentials for your pontifications? Please, I'm really interested in knowing on what you base your authority...or who imparted it to you...

147 posted on 02/27/2004 10:06:54 PM PST by Ronzo (Check out my web site: www.theodicy.org)
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To: nmh
By far the physical was tolerable compared to the emotional pain.

Rather than giving an intellectualized answer I'll just say: Yeah, Right!

148 posted on 02/27/2004 10:08:02 PM PST by steve86
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To: Weirdad
This is nothing more than a hit piece on Catholicism by an author who is jealous of Gibson and who fear ebing diminished by his success. Preachers like want to be the exclusive conduit between God and the little people. The author states that since Gibson is Catholic he cannot know the truth.

When asked by Pilate what is truth, Jesus said nothing. I wish the author of this had followed his example. How much more human suffering could have been avoided if there were fewer like these who claimed exclusive communion with God and knowledge of the Truth?

149 posted on 02/27/2004 10:10:23 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Weirdad; All
SHALOM!

Quote from Article: "There is, he stressed, "a lot of power in these dead languages."

There is: REAL and HOLY POWER in The HEBREW Language.

After Thousands of YEARS...HEBREW IS ALIVE...Not Dead!

HEBREW...IS THE ONLY Langauage that YESHUA/Jesus The Messiah Spoke to HIS Heavenly Father, his People, his Disciples and his Earthly parents.

The usage of ARAMAIC in this film, is a direct attempt to once again Remove the JEWISHNESS of The GOSPEL.

Replacement and Revisionist "Theologians" rearing their UGLY - Scripturally Ignorant heads again.

150 posted on 02/27/2004 10:13:25 PM PST by Simcha7 ((The Plumb - Line has been Drawn, T'shuvah/Return for The Kingdom of HaShem is at hand!))
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To: tbird5
He's right, it is a very Roman Catholic film



I agree......
To God alone be the glory forever!!!!
151 posted on 02/27/2004 10:13:29 PM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: Weirdad
I'm hoping the movie inspires people to read the Book!
152 posted on 02/27/2004 10:14:11 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Ronzo
"As if there were no heresy in the ranks of the evangelicals"

Now where did I say that?

Too bad you refuse to have balls to stick up for God.
153 posted on 02/27/2004 10:14:34 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: BearWash
The crucifixion itself was only a picture of a deeper sacrifice. Jesus Christ, having all the stamina of God himself, could have regarded the physical events as less than a fleabite had He so wished. The burden of God's own wrath upon sin, multiplied by an eternity, was another story.
154 posted on 02/27/2004 10:14:59 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: claudiustg
"The passage in Romans refers to idolatry, which is forbidden even when well intentioned"

Thanks for your reply. If I'm not mistaken, there are some theological differences in the definition of idolatry (more studied people on FR can answer that, I'm sure).

155 posted on 02/27/2004 10:15:40 PM PST by formerDem (God writes straight with crooked lines.)
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To: Nick Danger
Exactly. It's like fighting with your kid brother when the wolves are at the door. Stupid and pointless. I'm a protestant, I've seen it, and I ain't switching to the Catholic church as a result. Any Christian that misses the film misses an opportunity to see the best rendition of the passion story ever put on film.
156 posted on 02/27/2004 10:19:38 PM PST by SoDak
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To: formerDem
No counting of pinhead-dancing angels is needed. Pray to an image, that's wrong. Allow an image to illustrate something about God, that's what happens all through the Bible.
157 posted on 02/27/2004 10:19:45 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: nmh
All things considered ... I suspect that Jesus was NOT very attractive ... .

I was thinking about that same thing today. My thinking is: Why wouldn't God send someone that was pleasing to the eye? Why do we always assume Jesus must have been ugly? Maybe he was really beautiful.
158 posted on 02/27/2004 10:19:50 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Weirdad
I think we as Christians can sometimes be caught up in and be so legalistic! That we can pick anything apart to the point of exhaustian.

How about expecting Moses to look like Charlton Heston!

No I think all of us have a responsibility to understand this is one man's view of the gospel's and then how he reads the last hours of Christ accordingly. And to actually show the suffering that our Lord went through for us and the brutality of Crucifixion and pain he bore for us all!

And as Chris Weinkopf of the Daily News says in his review "The Passion of the Christ" tramples on all the rules and hypocrisies of political correctness. It says there is a God, and it names Him!!!

159 posted on 02/27/2004 10:20:46 PM PST by GeorgeWashington777
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To: SoDak
Agreed....the film is incredible.

At the same time, I am bothered by the tolerance Nazi's that refuse to even let differences be discussed anymore.
160 posted on 02/27/2004 10:20:47 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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