In age of outsourcing, do the old rules apply?

Christian Science Monitor ^ | March 5, 2004 | David R. Francis |

[Luis Gonzalez]

What you said, exactly, was "the 80MPG carburator is a myth"...it's not, there it is.

You also said "you saw nothing", of course, you weren't there, where you?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Not true of a hybrid engine design."

Wasn't talking about a hybrid. Then again, you also didn't say "the 80MPG carburator is a myth, with the exception of hybrids".

[RussianConservative]

By the way, by own answer, Luis Gonzalez is a salesman...middle person who only move products but create or add no value to item what so ever...with video conferencing and better communication there will be less need to middle peoples who line pockets...maybe once they speak english well enough and Bush open border, 3rd worlders come and become better sales peoples and out source over paid sales middle peoples....and form what I know of in several countries, slick & egotistical yes, over priced definitly, needed...only as evil of necessity till something better.

[RussianConservative]

"Self, do countries trade with each other, or do businessmen and private individuals engage in mutual transactions with one another?"

Now ask self other tough quesiton: in Facist China, who own factories...oh I know, I know: politicians, region governors, generals....now who run Facist China: politicians, region governors, generals....now Low ask self one last question: who negotiate trade deals like Most Favored Nation or NaFTA or WTO...oh that is right governments...and China represent will of peoples how...oh none...grab own gonads, cough and be honost with self and others.

[RussianConservative]

If you willing to learn Russian and put up with temperature of 90+ degrees to -30 degrees, Russia not bad either and sure you get good response...though to say honost New Zealand have great weather...just so damn far from all.

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

If you willing to learn Russian and put up with temperature of 90+ degrees to -30 degrees, Russia not bad either and sure you get good response...though to say honost New Zealand have great weather...just so damn far from all.

Russia would be fun, I'm sure. But learning a language that rich at my age would be a trick. New Zealand is out of the way, but as long as I'm close to the beach I'll be happy :-)

[DustyMoment]

From another thread:

According to Marx (remember reading about him?) "In general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade."

[brianl703]

We're talking about an "engine that gets 80MPG".

Such a statement is like saying that the Hummer H2 must be a fast vehicle because it has a 300+ HP V8 in it.

An engine by itself does nothing. It gets 0MPG and goes nowhere.

When installed in a vehicle so as to be capable of performing useful work, engines are part of a system. The characteristics of the other components in that system, such as rolling resistance, transmission losses, gearing, aerodynamic drag, and vehicle weight, just to name a few, factor heavily into the systems' performance in terms of fuel economy and acceleration.

I know of several "80MPG engines". They just happen to be on motorcycles, as opposed to a 3000lb sedan.

By the way, hybrids are fuel injected and don't use carburetors. I was making reference to this (although this is a 200MPG carburetor):

http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

It seems to me that the impetus for increased fuel economy due to CAFE would be reason enough for any automaker to pull the wraps off of this "80MPG engine", if it indeed exists.

[brianl703]

If you read that article you'd see that it took just a bit more than engine design (which a carburetor is) to make that concept car get 80MPG.

It doesn't even have side-view mirrors so as to make it more aereodynamic.

How areodynamic was the vehicle the 80MPG engine was installed in?

[LowCountryJoe]

From another thread:

Do you mean from this thread - post #36, submitted some three hours before this post that I am currently replying to? Or, would you be discussing another thread (they're everywhere it seems) where someone has twisted a quotation in an attempt to provide credence to their argument. Why yes I have read what SkidMarx had to say! Have you? Do you wish to engage in a rebuttal?

On a related note, I see where many FReepers are snuggling up to the ideals and opinions of New York Times communists columnists. These are crazy times indeed - some conservatives who share one opinion with Marx and some conservatives hanging on Paul Krugman's every "outsource" word. What in the wide wide world of sports is going on around here?

[LowCountryJoe]

Now ask self other tough quesiton: in Facist China, who own factories...oh I know, I know: politicians, region governors, generals....now who run Facist China: politicians, region governors, generals....now Low ask self one last question: who negotiate trade deals like Most Favored Nation or NaFTA or WTO...oh that is right governments...and China represent will of peoples how...oh none...grab own gonads, cough and be honost with self and others.

Hmmm...you've stumped me somewhat because at the present moment I can't refute what you've written. However, there has to be some reason why we've entered into these agreements and organizations. It couldn't possibly be because we benefit from trade and on the flip side also fear the retaliation when we decide to be one-way mother----ers.

Now that I've grabbed and coughed, will you? And, By the way, what the hell is A Russian doing "outsourcing" his opinion on the FR? ; )

[RussianConservative]

Outsourcing my opinion? Easy...monster that US greed create: China, is problem for more then US, it is immediate problem for Russia, who must up defense to stay off US frankenstine. Ask Japanese, S.Koreans, Taiwanese, Vietnames, Phillopinoes, Thialanders, Indonesians, Australians, Burmese and Indians how happy all with US made monster...to you it is jobs to all others it is very lives and land...but maybe China if it take Siberia will take short walk and take Alaska and Hawaii too...then you might get clue to what screw up your greed make.

[RussianConservative]

However, there has to be some reason why we've entered into these agreements and organizations.

Hmmm, in a word: SPECIAL INTEREST...ok I lie, two words.

[ninenot]

Ol' LowCountry actually believes that there's a bunch of Thomas Jeffersons and George Washingtons running the People's Republic of China--

Next he'll be telling us that the voting machines were delivered and operable 20 years ago over there, and that PRChina is "the greatest market EVER SEEN BY MAN" for consumer products such as Ford SUV's, Deere garden tractors, and made-in-America kitchen centers.

Yup.

[ninenot]

You also recall the sudden disappearance of the single-turbine engine? Chrysler made one that worked in the mid-1960's--and the accountants KILLED the damn thing.

Not only extremely efficient--but almost maintenance-proof, and only 3 moving parts. Hardly the way to make money in the aftermarket.

[ninenot]

I can't refute what you've written.

And you never WILL be able to. However, if you read the American Spectator's back issues, you'll discover that our Russki friend is not only correct--he's also talking about the same people who financed BOTH of X42's elections.

However, there has to be some reason why we've entered into these agreements and organizations. It couldn't possibly be because we benefit from trade and on the flip side also fear the retaliation when we decide to be one-way mother----ers.

Refer to my response above. It was X42 who secured PNTR for Red China (along with the useful idiot, Gingrich.)

By the way, what the hell is A Russian doing "outsourcing" his opinion on the FR? ; )

Same thing as you are. Fortunately, HIS opinion is educated, and international.

[kittymyrib]

I totally agree with you. My thesis is that nothing we buy at Walmart should cost more than $20, and most things should cost only a dollar or two. If Walmart is buying stuff made by a Chinese prisoner who is a slave to the PLA (Chinese army) factory he works in for only his two bowl of rice a day, whatever that item is, it should only cost pennies. Instead, Walmart charges as though products marked Black & Decker, Mattel, Hamilton Beach etc. were still made in the USA. It is a huge rip-off and I, too, am sick of the junk we are paying top dollar for.

[ColdSteelTalon]

I avoid moogasaki "made in china" brands as much as possible.

[RussianConservative]

Why not pick company...say Nike and embargo products to demand that foreign worker have same standard of safety and pay and such as US worker to stop sweat shop....soon all advantage of made in China disappear with added cost...or Nike suffer mass sales loss...then go to next company and do same.