Gay/civil rights debate splits black leaders: Local rev bucks stand by NAACP

Boston Herald ^ | 03/10/04 | Elisabeth J. Beardsley

[King Black Robe]

Also, if they didn't have the same right to representation in their government as everyone else, why are there openly gay state legislators, mayors and senators? Why did we have a lesbian AG?

Well EXACTLY!!!! Now that's a solid argument that doesn't sacrifice any premise.

[cake_crumb]

"Now that's a solid argument that doesn't sacrifice any premise."

Thanks <G> then that's the argument I'll stick with.

[cake_crumb]

Another thing we as conservatives need to be ready for and to rebut: a so-called "gay Republican" group - probably funded by Theresa Heinz or George Soros - says they plan to launch a campaign criticising the president on the defense of marriage issue. If they were REAL Republicans, they wouldn't consider such a thing. The media is preparing for another feeding frenzy.

[biblewonk]

``Discrimination is wrong no matter who the victim is.''

So sayith NAMBLA!

[liberalscorpion]

I agree completely.

[liberalscorpion]

Ahem, the majority is incapable of being fair. The majority would have seen the Civil Rights movement completely trampled.

Ahem, marriage has not always been defined as it is here, today. Look through your history book, you'll see that this argument is also unfounded.

Ahem, it's a part of YOUR genetic makeup. Not everyone's.

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[liberalscorpion]

Would you geniuses stop comparing consensual sex between adults with sex between a minor and an adult? There's a reason that's illegal...a minor can't really make that decision. It's pretty simple, you should be able to understand it.

[biblewonk]

It's a much better comparison than comparing gay marriage to discrimination of blacks.

[mrustow]

I am not an expert, but wasn't the whole 1965 voting rights act about securing the intent of the 15th Amendment for blacks? I mean, there were real problems, so I understand (I am not that old) with blacks realizing their equal representation rights because some officials were deluting or otherwise denying them their voting rights. I realize there are many false claims of racism today, but you do not need to go too far back in our history to realize that blacks were in fact treated unfairly on issues as basic as their voting rights. The bias was so obvious. They had separate bathrooms for gosh sakes.

I'm not denying any of that. I'm simply saying that the civil rights movement was always about more than equality. Just check the words to "I Have a Dream," if MLK's heirs haven't yet made that impossible, without paying.

Books I've read on race in America -- including Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom's America in Black and White -- have noted that the movement always called for quotas. And the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act have proved racist nightmares. The Voting Rights Act, now that you mention it, has been used to end democratic elections in many areas, and replace them with fixed referenda guaranteed to elect a black. And even the CRA, which on the face of it, makes all racial discrimination illegal (i.e., merely repeats the 14th Amendment), has been used to enforce anti-white discrimination. And that was apparently its intent!

I realize that one hears today much about "the content of one's character," but that's just the neocon MLK Worship Society; not even King believed that. He wasn't a national leader; he was a black leader.

[jmstein7]

BUMP!

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[cake_crumb]

"Ahem, marriage has not always been defined as it is here, today. Look through your history book, you'll see that this argument is also unfounded."

Ahem, yes it has always been defined as such, before the word we use for it today ever came into being, ever since early homo sapiens began the practice. Ahem, yes, it's is genetically hardwired into us because it's about procreation, and gays give societies no procreative benefit.

I'm a socioanthropologist and have cracked one or two history books in the 30 years I've been studying it.

Marriage is not a civil right. There is no Constitutional right to marry for anyone. If not for the actions of a few people and a few mini-dictator judges suffering from the God Syndrome, an amendment protecting the definition of marriage wouldn't have been forced. It should never have had to come to this. Why wasn't this an issue when Bill Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act into law? Where were the illegal, pretend "marriages" then?

Anyone who thinks marriage is a civil right, including the Log Cabin, so-called "Republicans" is simply trying to redefine it in order to grab special privilege. I have no constitutional right to be heterosexual, because heterosexuality is a given as the norm in the animal kindom. You however, demand more and more constitutional rights to be gay.

Now WHO is writing descrimination, despite what is written into the Constitution?

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What sensibility?

[FormerLib]

Would you geniuses stop comparing consensual sex between adults with sex between a minor and an adult?

Perhaps when you homosexual activists quit trying to lower the age of consent so that you can defile other people's children.

By the way, welcome to Free Republic.

Buy-bye now.

[cake_crumb]

On the other hand, you're a better quality troll then the type we've been deluged with the past few months. Welcome to FR. Hopefully, you're be able to stick around a while.

[cake_crumb]

LOL...on the other hand, maybe he/she/it won't be sticking around long.

[Republic]

Maybe we can stop that when the National Human Rights activists clearly state they want NO association with
NAMBLA.

[cake_crumb]

"Maybe we can stop that when the National Human Rights activists clearly state they want NO association with
NAMBLA"

...And the UN stops "observing" the sex slave trade, including the trade of child sex slaves, stops handing out pamphlets telling kids that sex with adults and animals is fine, and starts protecting, rather than exploiting children.

NAMBLA members identify themselves as homosexuals. Why hasn't the gay community harshly condemned it and distanced itself from it?

[King Black Robe]

I need to read that book, America in Black and White.

Regardless of the truth vs. myth; harm vs. improvement arguments about the civil rights era or the 1964 & 1965 legislation, I still think the comparison to homosexuals receiving gov't goodies is like comparing apples and oranges.

[Southack]

So the liberal NAACP wants to equate "gay marriage" with the entire Black Civil Rights struggle?! Teressa Hienz Kerry wants to be called an African American and wants school vouchers to be killed so that little Black children aren't going to her lilly white schools?! Senator Kerry wants to be America's "second Black President?!"

But the news media insists that the true racists are those evil Republicans who have Powell, Powell, Paige, and Rice entrenched in the highest ranks of our government...as well as who have budgeted $15 Billion to help Africa with their AIDs crisis?!

I'm telling you, it's the freaking Twilight Zone in the liberal news media and Democratic Party power circles right now...

[Dog Gone]

If Republicans had any guts or brains, they would be seizing this issue to attract a larger percentage of the black vote.

I dare you to go to an average black guy and explain and convince him to vote Republican. Then come back and report to us how easy it was. Surely you can do better one on one than the Republicans can do on television. Let us know how it turns out.

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping + Black people who want off the liberal plantation! May there be a mass exodus for freedom (of thought).

Relevant quote:

The Rev. Eugene Rivers, head of the National Ten Point Leadership Foundation, joined with Catholic leaders to launch radio ads that insist same-sex marriage is about ``special rights,'' not civil rights.

``Just as Jews would not tolerate the exploitation of the Holocaust, black people must not tolerate the exploitation of the civil rights movement,'' Rivers said.

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