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Ann Coulter: W.W.J.K.: WHO WOULD JESUS KILL?
Coulter via Yahoo ^ | 3-10-04 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 03/10/2004 4:10:11 PM PST by Pharmboy

William Safire, The New York Times' in-house "conservative" -- who endorsed Bill Clinton (news - web sites) in 1992, like so many conservatives -- was sure Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ" would incite anti-Semitic violence. Thus far, the pogroms have failed to materialize.

With all the subtlety of a Mack truck, Safire called Gibson's movie a version of "the medieval 'passion play,' preserved in pre-Hitler Germany at Oberammergau, a source of the hatred of all Jews as 'Christ killers.'" (Certainly every Aryan Nation skinhead murderer I've ever met was also a devoted theater buff and "passion play" aficionado.)

The "passion play" has been put on in Germany since at least 1633. I guess 1633 would be "pre-Hitler." In addition, Moses walked the Earth "pre-Hitler." The wheel was invented "pre-Hitler." People ate soup "pre-Hitler." Referring to the passion play as "pre-Hitler" is a slightly fancier version of every adolescent's favorite argument: You're like Hitler!

Despite repeated suggestions from liberals -- including the in-house "conservative" and Clinton-supporter at the Times -- Hitler is not what happens when you gin up Christians. Like Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites), the Columbine killers and the editorial board of The New York Times, Hitler detested Christians.

Indeed, Hitler denounced Christianity as an "invention of the Jew" and vowed that the "organized lie (of Christianity) must be smashed" so that the state would "remain the absolute master." Interestingly, this was the approach of all the great mass murderers of the last century -- all of whom were atheists: Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.

In the United States, more than 30 million babies have been killed by abortion since Roe v. Wade (news - web sites), vs. seven abortion providers killed. Yeah -- keep your eye on those Christians!

But according to liberals, it's Christianity that causes murder. (And don't get them started on Zionism.) Like their Muslim friends still harping about the Crusades, liberals won't "move on" from the Spanish Inquisition. In the entire 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition, about 30,000 people were killed. That's an average of less than 100 a year. Stalin knocked off that many kulaks before breakfast.

But Safire argues that viewers of "The Passion" will see the Jewish mob and think: "Who was responsible for this cruel humiliation? What villain deserves to be punished?"

Let's see: It was a Roman who ordered Christ's execution, and Romans who did all the flaying, taunting and crucifying. Perhaps Safire is indulging in his own negative stereotyping about Jews by assuming they simply viewed Romans as "the help."

But again I ask: Does anyone at the Times have the vaguest notion what Christianity is? (Besides people who go around putting up nativity scenes that have to be taken down by court order?) The religion that toppled the Roman Empire -- anyone?

Jesus' suffering and death is not a Hatfields-and-McCoys story demanding retaliation. The gist of the religion that transformed the world is: God's only son came to Earth to take the punishment we deserved.

If the Jews had somehow managed to block Jesus' crucifixion and He had died in old age of natural causes, there would be no salvation through Christ and no Christianity. Whatever possible responses there may be to that story, this is not one of them: Damn those Jews for being a part of God's plan to save my eternal soul!

Gibson didn't insert Jews into the story for some Machiavellian, racist reason. Christ was a Jew crucified by Romans at the request of other Jews in Jerusalem. I suppose if Gibson had moved the story to suburban Cleveland and portrayed Republican logging executives crucifying Christ, the left would calm down. But it simply didn't happen that way.

Of course, the original text is no excuse in Hollywood. The villains of Tom Clancy's book "The Sum of All Fears" were recently transformed from Muslim terrorists to neo-Nazis for the movie version. You wouldn't want to upset the little darlings. They might do something rash like slaughter 3,000 innocent American civilians in a single day. The only religion that can be constantly defamed and insulted is the one liberals pretend to be terrified of.


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To: Pharmboy; I'm ALL Right!
Our favorite person, this one's amazing.
81 posted on 03/10/2004 7:48:16 PM PST by No Fool
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To: Pharmboy
I've said it before: she's too skinny for my taste, but Ann is the sharpest wit in America. Damn, this one is brutally on point. No writer today matches her guts and bravura. P.J. O'rourke dissappeared entirely.

Steyn is a favorite second.

Just damn.
82 posted on 03/10/2004 7:50:02 PM PST by moodyskeptic (weekend warrior in the culture war)
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To: The Raven
EXCELLENT point, my friend...
84 posted on 03/10/2004 7:54:40 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
Ann rules:

Let's see: It was a Roman who ordered Christ's execution, and Romans who did all the flaying, taunting and crucifying. Perhaps Safire is indulging in his own negative stereotyping about Jews by assuming they simply viewed Romans as "the help."

85 posted on 03/10/2004 7:54:56 PM PST by GOPJ (NFL Owners: Grown men don't watch hollywood peep shows with wives and children.)
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To: writer33
Pardner, you're new around these here parts...thars jes' one thing I wanta say to ya...WELCOME.
86 posted on 03/10/2004 7:57:51 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
You're a welcome. I never met me no educated man like you before. :) HA!
87 posted on 03/10/2004 7:59:17 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: lelio
Check out Romans chapter 10 verse 9. Reason this out: Why else would He die? In that manner?
88 posted on 03/10/2004 8:00:04 PM PST by Wycowboy
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To: Pharmboy
As I asked before, how many religions were there at the time?
89 posted on 03/10/2004 8:08:46 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Elucidate?
90 posted on 03/10/2004 8:09:39 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Pharmboy
The religion that toppled the Roman Empire -- anyone?

Aha! A Coulter factual error.

Constantine was the first Roman Emperor to endorse Christianity. He legalized and strongly supported Christianity with the Edict of Milan (313 AD), but he neither made paganism illegal nor made Christianity the state religion. Theodosius (379-395) declared Christianity the state religion of Rome; he made all pagan religions illegal. In 410, the Visigoths, captured and sacked Rome. In 455, the Vandals, another Germanic tribe, conquered Rome. Finally, in 476, Odoacer deposed the Roman emperor and made himself emperor, which essentially ends the Roman Empire.

Thus Christianity did not "topple" the Roman Empire, it was there at its fall at the hands of pagan barbarians.

Now, were we liberals, we would state that Coulter's piece was "ridden with factual errors", and thus nothing she writes is valid.

91 posted on 03/10/2004 8:09:52 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Pharmboy
I just returned from seeing The Passion in time to read Ann's column.

What an amazing movie.

Republican logging executives. LOL.
92 posted on 03/10/2004 8:13:41 PM PST by alnick (Kerry is like that or so a crack sausage.)
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To: Pharmboy; All
History of the Passion Play in Oberammergau
93 posted on 03/10/2004 8:23:12 PM PST by Kaslin (It is now more important then ever that we re-elect President Bush)
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To: Plutarch
Those Germanic tribes sure know how to cause trouble...
94 posted on 03/10/2004 8:23:56 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Plutarch
Thus Christianity did not "topple" the Roman Empire, it was there at its fall at the hands of pagan barbarians.

The prophet Daniel disagrees with you, as does a correct reading of Revelation.

95 posted on 03/10/2004 8:34:58 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
About 40 years ago I read a Sci Fi short story about a man who tried to go back in time to rescue Jesus. The other scientists who had invented the time machine tried to stop him because they knew that Jesus had to die to save the souls of mankind.

I believe in Einstein and Rod Serling's assertion that history is infragile. If one were to go back in time to try to assassinate Hitler in 1920, he would fail, because Hitler has, obviously, already happened. So, obviously, something intervened to stop that time traveler. Otherwise, we live in an infinite number of parallel, possible and impossible universes, and every decision made or not made results in a tangential fracture of the universe. Did you go to work today? If so, there's a parallel universe in which you didn't. Have soup for dinner? There's a parallel universe in which you had a chicken sandwich. And one in which you had a steak. There's also an infinite number in which you died today, and an infinite number in which you never existed. And so on.

It's been my observation that God doesn't work that way. God is stupefyingly simple in His stupefying complexity. Photosynthesis can be reduced to: "Plants use sunlight to make food." Two hydrogen atoms plus one oxygen equals a water molecule. Reality exists because of the relative gravitational strength of the particles of an atom. The Earth sits in the exact right spot within the habitable zone of Sol. Et Cetera.

96 posted on 03/10/2004 9:21:23 PM PST by Objective Reality
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To: Objective Reality
"Otherwise, we live in an infinite number of parallel, possible and impossible universes, and every decision made or not made results in a tangential fracture of the universe. Did you go to work today? If so, there's a parallel universe in which you didn't. Have soup for dinner? There's a parallel universe in which you had a chicken sandwich. And one in which you had a steak. There's also an infinite number in which you died today, and an infinite number in which you never existed. And so on."

You've just stumbled upon the modern description of reality as defined by quantum physics.
97 posted on 03/10/2004 9:30:18 PM PST by Terpfen (Re-elect Bush; kill terrorists now, fix Medicare later.)
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To: Terpfen
You've just stumbled upon the modern description of reality as defined by quantum physics.

Yes - in itself, as much a "leap of faith" as ever demanded by any religion in the history of humankind.

98 posted on 03/10/2004 9:34:03 PM PST by Objective Reality
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To: Pharmboy
Beautiful Mind
99 posted on 03/10/2004 9:47:24 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Old Professer
Ann Coulter is not a woman for all seasons. Acerbic doesn't work for me on this issue. -NutCrackerBoy, #11

Elucidate?

I would, but lucid is not my style. (/self-deprecating humor)

A man (or woman) for all seasons is ever able to strike the appropriate tone: sunny, sorrowful, angry, conciliatory, ... Ann has only one tone: acerbic. That's OK: acerbic works for me almost always; I love acerbic. I've read and enjoyed everything she's written for the past several years. Last week was terrific: Ann Coulter made the New York Times her bitch.

This week, even though the subject is similar, acerbic falls flat. For one thing, I feel a deep sympathy for the ones whose oxen are being gored. If Ann Coulter were just a little more "woman for all seasons", she could have accomplished something wise, rather than flattening all in her path with controversialism.

100 posted on 03/10/2004 10:22:24 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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