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Doug Moe: Attack on Kerry bounces here
The Capital Times ^ | March 13, 2004 | Doug Moe

Posted on 03/15/2004 8:36:18 AM PST by cyncooper

John Kerry receives a military decoration during the Vietnam War in the 1960s.IN A front page article in Friday's New York Sun newspaper, a conservative writer, Thomas H. Lipscomb, takes on Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and a letter that may or may not have been written by Kerry - a letter that may or may not be housed at the Wisconsin Historical Society here.

Lipscomb, who has written a number of pieces critical of Kerry in the past and served as editor of Richard Nixon aide H.R. Haldeman's memoir, "The Ends of Power," would not appear to be an unbiased observer. And the New York Sun is widely viewed as having a conservative agenda. That said, the tale Lipscomb spun Friday is worth considering here, if only because the story's key element, Kerry's letter, involves Madison.

The letter in question is Kerry's 1971 resignation letter from the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).

In historian Douglas Brinkley's current best-selling book on Kerry and Vietnam, "Tour of Duty," Brinkley wrote the following (according to the Sun): "In a Nov. 10 letter housed at the VVAW papers in Madison, Wis., Kerry quit, politely noting he had been proud to serve in the national organization. His reason was straightforward: 'personality conflicts and differences in political philosophy.' In two days, VVAW was meeting in Kansas City and he would be a no-show."

In Friday's Sun, Lipscomb wrote that in a footnote to that passage, Brinkley wrote: "I could not locate Kerry's Nov. 10 VVAW resignation letter supposedly housed at the Wisconsin archives. The quote I used comes directly from Andrew E. Hunt's essential 'The Turning: A History of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.'"

Hunt, however, told the Sun that there's nothing in his book about a Kerry resignation letter in Madison: "I never stated that there was a letter of resignation," Hunt said, "or even implied in my book that I saw one. I never could find one in the archives in Wisconsin. I don't know how Brinkley got the idea that I had. I never could figure out when Kerry resigned."

The exact date of Kerry's VVAW resignation is a big deal, the Sun alleges, because just two days after that Nov. 10 date on the letter, the VVAW had a meeting in Kansas City, Nov. 12-15, 1971 - the meeting referenced in the above excerpt from Brinkley's book - in which the assassination of United States politicians who supported the Vietnam War was discussed.

Or, as Lipscomb's rather breathless lead put it in the Sun on Friday: "The anti-war group that John Kerry was the principal spokesman for debated and voted on a plot to assassinate politicians who supported the war in Vietnam."

Lipscomb quotes two VVAW members who remember Kerry as being at the Kansas City meeting. In his book, Brinkley wrote that Kerry was a "no-show" at the meeting. When the Sun asked Brinkley who had told him Kerry didn't attend the meeting, Brinkley said Kerry told him.

Lipscomb wrote: "Whether or not there was a letter of resignation dated Nov. 10 is obviously important, since it predates the Kansas City assassination discussions by two days."

I don't know how "obviously" important it is, since Lipscomb notes that the plot was voted down. No doubt a lot of wild ideas were "discussed" in that turbulent time.

In any case, Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade told the Sun Friday that Kerry resigned the VVAW sometime in the summer of 1971, adding, "Kerry was not at the Kansas City meeting."

Is there a Nov. 10 resignation letter in Madison? On Friday, I called the Historical Society, and Deena Brazy agreed to search for it in the extensive VVAW collection.

In the meantime, I had a conversation with Barry Romo, a national coordinator with VVAW based in Chicago. Romo said that sometime in the early 1980s, "We took everything we had up to Madison." The VVAW collection became an important part of the society's extensive archive of social and political movements, including civil and reproductive rights.

Romo, who was at the 1971 meeting in Kansas City, said he had no recollection of Kerry being present and didn't believe he was there. "My memory is that he resigned sometime in October," Romo said. "A letter may have been dated a little later."

I left a message for Douglas Brinkley Friday at the University of New Orleans, where he is the director of the Eisenhower Center for American Studies, but didn't hear back.

I did hear from Deena Brazy at the Wisconsin Historical Society, who could not find the Kerry letter. She said she searched both the "resignations" box of the VVAW collection and one containing correspondence from Massachusetts in 1971. Given the extent of the collection, of course, it's still possible the letter is in Madison.


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KEYWORDS: darkplot; kansascity; kerry; thomaslipscomb; vvaw
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More on the VVAW November meeting.

Seems even leftists are doing a little digging, with some mitigating commentary thrown in for good measure.

1 posted on 03/15/2004 8:36:19 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Hon; doug from upland
Ping to a columnist who decided to look into Lipscomb's article.

BTW, Lipscomb said yesterday he had a new story coming out today. Is it posted?
2 posted on 03/15/2004 8:38:05 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper; Mo1; devolve

And the beat goes on...
3 posted on 03/15/2004 8:41:30 AM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: cyncooper
I don't know how "obviously" important it is, since Lipscomb notes that the plot was voted down. No doubt a lot of wild ideas were "discussed" in that turbulent time.

I see.

It's okay that a candidate for the Presidency belonged to an "organization" that considered murdering U.S. Senators, as long as the "plot" was voted down and he didn't support it. Especially if it happened in a "turbulent" time and you can trivialize the matter by using lots of scare quotes.

Is there any doubt left that leftists will rationalize absolutely anything if it benefits their side?

4 posted on 03/15/2004 8:47:59 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: cyncooper
I have the New York Sun here. I'll go look for Lipscomb's byline and be back.
5 posted on 03/15/2004 8:49:49 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Interesting Times
Those nutty anti-war vets, just a bunch of "wild and crazy guys", I guess.

BTW, Chrissy Matthews is going to cover Kerry and Nixon today. Take it to the bank that it will be about how mean old nasty "enemies list" Tricky Dick was keeping his eye on Decorated War Hero John Kerry, and how Kerry is a double hero--NAY, a triple hero--for surviving being in the dreaded Nixon's crosshairs, lo those many years ago.

I can't wait to tune in. Maybe--just maybe--I'll be pleasantly surprised and be wrong, but I doubt it.
6 posted on 03/15/2004 8:57:39 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
I discussed the story with Laura Ingraham on her show this morning.
7 posted on 03/15/2004 9:01:19 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: onyx; lodwick; Cuttnhorse; operation clinton cleanup; Servant of the 9; catpuppy; null and void; ...
In his book, Brinkley wrote that Kerry was a "no-show" at the meeting. When the Sun asked Brinkley who had told him Kerry didn't attend the meeting, Brinkley said Kerry told him

OK

8 posted on 03/15/2004 9:09:31 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Interesting Times
Is there any doubt left that leftists will rationalize absolutely anything if it benefits their side?

Nope

9 posted on 03/15/2004 9:11:10 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: cyncooper
I am reliably informed that the upcoming piece will cover much of the material and discrepancies noted here:

Kerry Lied In Press Conference Where He Refused To Apologize For Calling Republicans Liars
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096436/posts
10 posted on 03/15/2004 9:12:57 AM PST by Hon
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Doug Moe, who may or may not be a scoundrel, is an employee of the newspaper and big supporter of today's Rat Party, formerly, the Democrat party.

I don't know how "obviously" important it is, since Lipscomb notes that the plot was voted down. No doubt a lot of wild ideas were "discussed" in that turbulent time.

Yeah, and they never said anything threatening like call a teachers' union "terrorists." It was just satire back then. Everything was satire, Fonda's trip, the university bombings, the killings, the riots, the arson, everything. Even the ever popular ditty, "Ho. Ho. Ho Chi Minh, The FLN is sure to win" was nuanced satire, it was really a patriotic ditty in support of our troops. We were all patriots, see.. back then, well.. you know. . . .

11 posted on 03/15/2004 9:20:36 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Mo1
Oh, well since Kerry said it, it must be true. < /sarcasm >
12 posted on 03/15/2004 9:29:19 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
Kerry denied being at the meeting. Said he wrote a letter of resignation prior to the meeting.

Witnesses place him at the meeting and NO letter can be found.

But then it's only a democrat telling lies...let's just move on.

13 posted on 03/15/2004 9:51:44 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Hon
Thanks for the update.

So it is not published yet?

And the questions will address the July St. Louis meeting, Hubbard questions?

I hope Lipscomb has seen the Kansas City article where the Kerry campaign veterans person said Musgrave must be thinking of the St.Louis meeting, because Kerry was absolutely not at the Kansas City meeting as Musgrave alleged.
14 posted on 03/15/2004 10:12:04 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: sweetliberty
Of course
15 posted on 03/15/2004 12:34:16 PM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: cyncooper; Mo1
Heh. Kerry's taken two sides on this as well it seems.
16 posted on 03/15/2004 1:57:05 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: cyncooper
I heard that these letters were in the UW-Madison archives somewhere.

I wish I had ESP back in 2003, when the Rat candidates were preparing their presidential bids. I would have went down to Madison and did some searching on Kerry.

17 posted on 03/15/2004 2:04:09 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: ServesURight
There IS a freeper who is personally going through the Madison archives. The name escapes me, but it starts with "j"...I think.

Anyway, they're on the case.
18 posted on 03/15/2004 2:05:48 PM PST by cyncooper
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BTW, Chrissy Matthews is going to cover Kerry and Nixon today.

Fair is fair. I posted the notice about Chris doing this story on Hardball. It was a fairly done piece, so I retract my mocking of Matthews.

It was a pretty lengthy piece by Brian Williams that showed some interesting footage of Kerry back then, in addition to a clip from his Congressional testimony. Williams also had tapes of Nixon discussing Kerry with Haldeman and later Colson where they conclude Kerry is a phony and an opportunist.

Then Matthews had Pat Buchanan on who sounded sane and rational and presented an even-handed account of the WH assessment of Kerry back then and Chris asked him who had better character: Nixon or Kerry and Buchanan answered Nixon was a man of character with flaws, and there was a bit more discussion of Kerry having flaws, too.

19 posted on 03/15/2004 4:17:46 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Interesting Times
It's okay that a candidate for the Presidency belonged to an "organization" that considered murdering U.S. Senators, as long as the "plot" was voted down and he didn't support it.

Just like it's NOT okay for a vice-president to have once worked for a company that is supplying infrastructure support to a war approved by Congress, even if that vice-president doesn't work for the company now and has divested all of his stocks in it.

-PJ

20 posted on 03/15/2004 4:32:32 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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