Texan argues for concealed carry

Lawrence Journal-World ^ | March 16, 2004 | John Hanna

[Atlas Sneezed]

Shorter version of same article by same autor (different title) here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1098190/posts

[goldstategop]

Damn RINO. Can't trust em and Kansas ended up with a Rat as punishment.

[axel f]

Sorry. I did a search and didn't find it.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Bang

[Rogerf]

I used to live in Kansas until the oilfield jobs dried up. At that time thay had open carry. I don't know if it's still that way. It mostly amounted to lots of long guns carried openly in gun racks on pick-ups with very little on the hip type stuff that you're likely thinking about. At that time it was legal to carry a loaded gun in your vehicle but if you stuffed it under the seat or coat you were in violation of carrying it concealed.

[axel f]

I posted the same article you did, but the Capital-Journal left off some information.

[Sunshine Sister]

We might just as well had a rat both times. That's how they legislated!

[Jokelahoma]

Kansas has a recent history of electing RINOs and centrist Democrats to the Governor's office. Overall, Kansas is quite a conservative state, but the concentrated voting blocs in Douglas and Wyandotte counties (far left college professor types and government teat-suckers, respectively) go left with enough numbers to make an impact. In a county-by-county tally of voters in the 2000 Presidential election, you'll see those two counties went for Gore, while the rest of the state was solidly Republican. It's sickening, really. Personally, I think taking a government check should disqualify one from voting, but that's just me. :-)

Fortunately, Kansas does not have the Missouri problem with the "Hancock" amendment, so when (not if) they get concealed carry passed, it'll not have all the legal challenges they do on the Mizzou side. It may have to wait until Sibelius is known as "former Governor", but it'll happen.

[paul51]

I was mad at hell at my legislators, because I felt they had legislated me out of my right to protect myself

California doesn't believe people should have the right to protect themselves

[El Gato]

Texas state Rep. Suzanna Hupp

Rep. Suzanna Gratia Hupp's Website. Dr. Gratia-Hupp was Suzanna Gratia when the Luby's shootings occurred.

[El Gato]

It's limited to citizens because the Second Amendment refers to "the right of the People to keep and bear", meaning the body of citizenry. No alien has the "right" to own a firearm in the U.S.

That's not how the Supreme Court has interpreted "The People" with respect to other articles of the Bill of Rights, particularly the fourth amendment. From Findlaw

''refers to a class of persons who are part of a national community or who have otherwise developed sufficient connection with [the United States] to be considered part of that community.'' The Fourth Amendment therefore does not apply to the search and seizure by United States agents of property that is owned by a nonresident alien and located in a foreign country. The community of protected people includes U.S. citizens who go abroad, and aliens who have voluntarily entered U.S. territory and developed substantial connections with this country.

Thus it also includes at minimun, legal aliens. The case from which the quote comes is United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259, 265 (1990).

[lentulusgracchus]

Thanks for the cite. Then by extension of SCOTUS's logic, RKBA would apply to legal aliens -- very curious.

However, the justice who wrote that opinion needs to go back to school on the definition of "the People". His reference to a "national community" is a Hamiltonian emanation that has no warrant in the Constitution. "The People" means the People of a State, several of which adopted and ratified the Constitution by acts of uncompromised sovereignty. One State, one People. There is no amalgamated or lumpen People -- the constitutional convention settled that. "We the People" is a Hamiltonian formula and reflects his and Jay's wish (and presumably, at that time, Madison's as well) that the Peoples of the States should indeed consolidate into a single People; but the delegates and the public didn't see it that way, and so "We the People" is all that is left in the Constitution of the Federalists' ambition.

That, and the Civil War. But that's another thread.