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Texan argues for concealed carry
Lawrence Journal-World ^ | March 16, 2004 | John Hanna

Posted on 03/17/2004 7:52:47 AM PST by axel f

Texan argues for concealed carry Lone Star lawmaker lost both parents in restaurant rampage

By John Hanna - Associated Press Writer

Tuesday, March 16, 2004

Topeka - A Texas legislator whose parents died in a 1991 shooting spree in a cafeteria urged a Kansas Senate committee to endorse a bill that would allow Kansans to carry concealed weapons.

The Federal and State Affairs Committee is reviewing a House-passed measure that would require the state to issue concealed-carry permits to any Kansan who qualifies and pays a $150 application fee. People would qualify if they were 21 and American citizens, had undergone eight hours of gun training and did not suffer from a mental illness or drug and alcohol addiction.

Texas state Rep. Suzanna Hupp told the committee she wished she'd had her gun with her when she and her parents dined at a Luby's restaurant in Killeen, Texas, in October 1991. She'd left her gun in her car, something she realized only after a man rammed his truck into the building, got out and started shooting.

She said she was not carrying the gun in her purse because she didn't want to break the law and lose her chiropractor's license. She acknowledged that if she had her gun, she might not have hit the assailant but added she would have at least changed the situation. Twenty-three people died, including her parents.

"I'm angry, as you can tell," she said. "I was mad at hell at my legislators, because I felt they had legislated me out of my right to protect myself."

Hupp, a Republican, first won her seat in the Texas House in 1996, having already become a vocal gun rights advocate.

Texas enacted a concealed-carry law in 1995, and only Kansas, Illinois, Nebraska and Wisconsin do not have such a statute, though nine states put some restrictions on residents' ability to receive a permit.

"If you can imagine -- sitting there, like a fish in a barrel, waiting for it to be your turn," Hupp said.

The committee planned to hear from opponents of the bill today. In the past, they have argued that enacting a concealed-carry law would lead to an increase in gun-related violence.

But Rep. L. Candy Ruff, a primary sponsor of the bill, said in other states, 1 percent or fewer residents typically seek concealed-carry permits. "We are talking about law-abiding citizens," she said.

"They are not the type of people who are involved in road rage," said Ruff, D-Leavenworth.

The Legislature approved a concealed-carry bill in 1997, but then-Gov. Bill Graves vetoed it. Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has said she supports concealed carry only for retired law enforcement officers and probably would not sign a broader bill.

Earlier this month, the House approved the bill, 78-45. Supporters were six votes short of a two-thirds majority, which is required to override a gubernatorial veto.

This year's bill contains a list of places where it would remain illegal to carry concealed guns, including courthouses, jails, prisons, polling places, bars, taverns, the Statehouse and the Kansas State Fair.

Sen. John Vratil, a Federal and State Affairs Committee member, said he would like to see churches added to the list. He also said he wonders why the right to carry concealed weapons would be limited to U.S. citizens.

"I think we've got a form of discrimination here," said Vratil, R-Leawood.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Kansas
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1 posted on 03/17/2004 7:52:48 AM PST by axel f
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To: TroutStalker
Good testimony. Check out Vratil's comment.
2 posted on 03/17/2004 7:53:35 AM PST by axel f
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To: Sunshine Sister
Ping
3 posted on 03/17/2004 7:55:28 AM PST by axel f
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To: axel f
The Luby's shootings was a horrible, horrible day.
4 posted on 03/17/2004 8:02:22 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn
Which party is Gov. Kathleen Sebelius a member of. She should be removed from office at the next opportunity. If a R she should face a vigorous primary challenge.
5 posted on 03/17/2004 8:04:14 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: mtbopfuyn
Yeah and you folks in Kansas better elect a pro CCW Governor. Its about time. There's Wisconsin but the real fight after Kansas will be in Nebraska.
6 posted on 03/17/2004 8:04:18 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jack Black
Kathleen Sibelius is a Democrat. Her successor was a RINO.
7 posted on 03/17/2004 8:05:17 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I'm liking the idea of open carry, too. What are the laws about that. Of course I love westerns.
8 posted on 03/17/2004 8:05:32 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: goldstategop
I'm liking the idea of open carry, too. What are the laws about that. Of course I love westerns.
9 posted on 03/17/2004 8:05:45 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
She's a Dem. Though if you watched her campaign commercials you'd swear she was a Republican.
10 posted on 03/17/2004 8:06:09 AM PST by axel f
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To: axel f
I'm still trying to figure out where the state gets off telling its citizens that they cannot carry concealed as a matter of freedom. And it is from that position that citizens must ask and beg for it to be made legal? I guess I just don't think the way other folks (politicians) do.
11 posted on 03/17/2004 8:06:31 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: goldstategop
Oops, that should be corrected - sucessor = predecessor.
12 posted on 03/17/2004 8:07:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Yeah, I was 13 or 14 years old at the time, but I remember it still.
13 posted on 03/17/2004 8:07:47 AM PST by axel f
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To: axel f
Sen. John Vratil, a Federal and State Affairs Committee member, said he would like to see churches added to the list.

Not that any churches have ever been shot up by nutcases. /sarcasm

Most of the times I get around to reading legislative deliberations, I come to the conclusion that being elected to political office is like joining the anti-mensa society.

14 posted on 03/17/2004 8:08:11 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Jason_b
It's interesting how the same people who say abortion shouldn't be regulated by the government--that it's a private matter--have no problem regulating gun ownership. Backward thinking, if you ask me.
15 posted on 03/17/2004 8:09:37 AM PST by axel f
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To: hopespringseternal
I thought I was the only one who had no problem with guns in a church. Glad I joined FR!

I remember an episode of Unsolved Mysteries where a man broke into a church while service was going on, ordering the congregation at gunpoint to get on its knees, and then shot and killed the minister. He then fled the scene. If someone had had a gun at the service, he wouldn't still be at large today.
16 posted on 03/17/2004 8:12:51 AM PST by axel f
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To: axel f
Good testimony. Check out Vratil's comment.

It's limited to citizens because the Second Amendment refers to "the right of the People to keep and bear", meaning the body of citizenry. No alien has the "right" to own a firearm in the U.S.

The NBC TV show West Wing, in reruns on the local ABC affiliate (shows from a couple of years ago) slimed Texas's concealed-carry laws with an episode in which someone stood up in a Texas church and opened fire, whereupon someone else with a CCW license also stood up and opened fire at the bad guy -- but missed and killed a 9-year-old girl (Democratic pity party: someone has to die!).

It hasn't happened, but Worst Wing's writers had a high old time putting President Bartlett up on his high horse, slapping down his Texan VP on the subject. It's the gun-grabbers' dream scenario: "more harm to let them carry". Mind you, the scenario was identical to the Charles Hennard and Larry Ashcroft shootings in Texas; Suzanna Gratia Hupp was testifying about the Hennard incident in Killeen. Larry Ashcroft, whose name usually doesn't escape my keyboard or my lips, was a Phineas Priest, a kind of right-wing assassin, who went after the Baptists because the Southern Baptist Convention had "compromised" its segregationist theology of 50 years ago. He shot up a Sunday-school meeting, then killed himself with a curse on his lips.

17 posted on 03/17/2004 8:19:25 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: axel f
I heard of a church in Garland, TX where most of the cops attend. Supposedly, one Sunday an enterprising young criminal decided to attend the church until the plate was passed, then hold the church up and steal the take.

When his big moment arrived, he made his play only to find himself surrounded by armed off-duty cops.

I have no idea how true that story is, I have no first hand knowledge.

18 posted on 03/17/2004 8:21:36 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: axel f
Dr. Hupp is very effective. It's hard for an anti-gunner to look her in the eyes and say, "You were better off not having that gun." You know that's what they believe, but even they can't bring themselves to say it.

Her loss was terribly tragic, but what she's done with her life since then has been to work tirelessly to ensure that the anti-gunners can't just trot out victim after victim without confronting them with the (to them) ugly truth that guns are used for defense.

She's an amazing woman.

Mark
19 posted on 03/17/2004 8:21:38 AM PST by MarkL (The meek shall inherit the earth... But usually in plots 6' x 3' x 6' deep...)
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To: goldstategop
We thought we had one in the prior administration. He promised to sign concealed carry legislation until it was put on his desk. He vetoed it.
20 posted on 03/17/2004 8:25:07 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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