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Hillary Short-circuited JFK Jr. Senate Run
Newsmax ^ | 3/17/03 | Limbacher

Posted on 03/17/2004 9:40:17 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Before he died in a tragic plane crash in July 1999, John F. Kennedy, Jr. was weighing a decision to run for Senate in New York. But according to a new book, then first lady Hillary Clinton short-circuited the plan by declaring her interest in the same office.

"John watched with growing dismay as Hillary subtly insinuated herself into what he considered his state," Laurence Leamer writes in "Sons of Camelot."

Leamer says Kennedy was considering abandoning his job as publisher of George Magazine to make his first run for office - and had begun polling on the prospect of replacing then incumbent Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Fox News chief Roger Ailes - a one-time GOP strategist - was sounded out on the idea of a Kennedy run. And according to the New York Post, he concluded that Kennedy would be "a viable candidate."

But when Hillary signaled she wanted to make the run herself, Kennedy quietly shelved the idea.

"He was too much of a gentleman" to object, Leamer told the Post.

Privately, however, the heir to the Kennedy political dynasty was "upset" that Mrs. Clinton had elbowed him out of the race, contends Leamer.



TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hillary; jfkennedy; jfkjr
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To: leadpenny
BTW, have you read the full NTSB narrative I linked earlier in the thread? Put yourself in the recreation of the last moments of the flight. If it doesn't give you goose bumps, remind me to stay out of any airplane you may be piloting.

I read it when it first came out. A great bit of fiction there, my friend, and if you don't recognize that, I d**mnd sure wouldn't let you ride with me in any capacity. Where do you get the inversion??? There are no reports of a temperature inversion that night. Go back and read the report yourself.

But since you put so much stock in it, here are a few more excerpts that you conveniently forgot to include.

Surface Weather Observations

MVY had an Automated Surface Observing System (ASOS), which was edited and augmented by ATC tower personnel if necessary. The tower manager at MVY was on duty on the night of the accident for an 8-hour shift, which ended when the tower closed, about 2200. During an interview, the tower manager stated that no actions were taken to augment or edit the ASOS during his shift. He also stated the following:

"The visibility, present weather, and sky condition at the approximate time of the accident was probably a little better than what was being reported. I say this because I remember aircraft on visual approaches saying they had the airport in sight between 10 and 12 miles out. I do recall being able to see those aircraft and I do remember seeing the stars out that night.

MVY 2053...Clear at or below 12,000 feet;visibility 8 miles; winds 250 degrees at 7 knots; temperature 23 degrees C; dewpoint 19 degrees C; altimeter 30.09 inches of Hg. 2153...Clear at or below 12,000 feet; visibility 10 miles; winds 240 degrees at 10 knots, gusts to 15 knots; temperature 24 degrees C; dewpoint 18 degrees C; altimeter 30.10 inches of Hg.

ATP1765379 CFII/MEI 12000+ hrs.

61 posted on 03/24/2004 8:27:39 PM PST by acehai
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To: acehai
Surface observations are just that - surface. But, you know that. As for fiction, are the excerpts from the pilot observations fiction? Most everything they said has the potential for spacial disorientation for an inexperienced pilot with a handfull of airplane and what sounds like some distractions in his personal life. When Jr. started letting down he was not thinking about getting on the gauges. When he thought about going on instruments, his tubes were already spinning.

I base my "temperature inversion" comment on their description of conditions aloft. Pretty much classic.

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Pilot Observations

~snip~

One pilot kept his twin turboprop airplane at TEB, and on the evening of the accident, he flew from TEB to ACK. The pilot stated that he drove to TEB from New York City and that the traffic was the second heaviest he had seen in 15 years. The pilot stated that he had called the TEB FBO and estimated that his arrival time would be about 1850; however, he did not arrive until between about 1930 and 2000 because of traffic.

~snip~

Before departing the city, the pilot had obtained current weather observations and forecasts for Nantucket and other points in Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, and New Jersey. He stated that the visibility was well above VFR minimums. He also stated that he placed a telephone call to a flight service station (FSS) before leaving the city, while driving to TEB. Regarding the telephone call, he stated the following:

"I asked if there were any adverse conditions for the route TEB to ACK. I was told emphatically: 'No adverse conditions. Have a great weekend.' I queried the briefer about any expected fog and was told none was expected and the conditions would remain VFR with good visibility. Again, I was reassured that tonight was not a problem."

The pilot stated that he departed TEB "...in daylight and good flight conditions and reasonable visibility. The horizon was not obscured by haze. I could easily pick our land marks at least five [miles] away." The pilot also stated that he did not request or receive flight information after his departure from TEB. Once clear of the New York Class B airspace, he stated that he climbed his airplane to 17,500 feet and proceeded towards Nantucket. He reported that above 14,000 feet, the visibility was unrestricted; however, he also reported that during his descent to Nantucket, when his global positioning system (GPS) receiver indicated that he was over Martha's Vineyard, he looked down and "...there was nothing to see. There was no horizon and no light....I turned left toward Martha's Vineyard to see if it was visible but could see no lights of any kind nor any evidence of the island...I thought the island might [have] suffered a power failure."

He stated that he had his strobe lights on during the descent and that at no time did they illuminate clouds or fog. He also stated, "I had no visual reference of any kind yet was free of any clouds or fog." The pilot stated that when he contacted the ACK tower for landing, he was instructed to fly south of Nantucket about 5 miles to join the downwind for runway 24; however, he maintained a distance of 3 to 4 miles because he could not see the island at 5 miles. The pilot stated that, as he neared the airport, he had to make a 310-degree turn for spacing. He stated that, during the turn, "I found that I could not hold altitude by outside reference and had to use my [vertical speed indicator] VSI and HSI to hold altitude and properly coordinate the turn."

Another pilot had flown from Bar Harbor, Maine, to Long Island, New York, and crossed the Long Island Sound on the same evening, about 1930. This pilot stated that during his preflight weather briefing from an FSS, the specialist indicated VMC for his flight. The pilot filed an IFR flight plan and conducted the flight at 6,000 feet. He stated that he encountered visibilities of 2 to 3 miles throughout the flight because of haze. He also stated that the lowest visibility was over water, between Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and eastern Long Island. He stated that he did not encounter any clouds below 6,000 feet.

A third pilot departed TEB about 2030 destined for Groton, Connecticut, after a stopover at MVY. He stated that, after departure, he flew south of HPN and, remaining clear of the Class B airspace, he climbed to 7,500 feet. He also stated that, while en route, he monitored several ATC frequencies, but did not transmit on any of them until he neared MVY. His route of flight took him over the north shore of Long Island to Montauk, New York. He stated that he then crossed over Block Island, Rhode Island, and proceeded directly to MVY.

He stated that the entire flight was conducted under VFR, with a visibility of 3 to 5 miles in haze. He stated that, over land, he could see lights on the ground when he looked directly down or slightly forward; however, he stated that, over water, there was no horizon to reference. He stated that he was not sure if he was on top of the haze layer at 7,500 feet and that, during the flight, he did not encounter any cloud layers or ground fog during climb or descent. He further stated that, between Block Island and MVY, there was still no horizon to reference. He recalled that he began to observe lights on Martha's Vineyard when he was in the vicinity of Gay Head. He stated that, before reaching MVY, he would have begun his descent from 7,500 feet and would have been between 3,000 and 5,000 feet over Gay Head (the pilot could not recall his exact altitudes). He did not recall seeing the Gay Head marine lighthouse. He was about 4 miles from MVY when he first observed the airport's rotating beacon. He stated that he had an uneventful landing at MVY about 2145.

About 2200, the pilot departed MVY as the controller announced that the tower was closing. After takeoff, he proceeded on a heading of 290 degrees, climbed to 6,500 feet, and proceeded directly to Groton. The pilot stated that, during the return flight, the visibility was the same as that which he had encountered during the flight to MVY, which was about 3 to 5 miles in haze.

62 posted on 03/25/2004 2:59:53 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: JustPlainJoe
Are you asking if

her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous--Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de Marx de Mao de Pol Pot de Machiavelli de Stalin de Castro de Arafart de RuthlessnessInc de Gestapo de PowerMongerNChief de BlackAntiFreeze4Blood de HabitualSnakeSlitherer de PathologicalLiar de ExterminatorEyesNBreath de GlobalTyranizer de ReamoTickler de FelonNChief de Sade

might have the unmitigated audacity and gall to uhhhhh

Fosterize the esteemed fair haired boy from Camelot?

Oh, my.

Oh Dear.

Are you kidding?

Isn't her heartless chest as pure as the driven snow?

. . . . the black cindery snow of hell, that is?
63 posted on 03/25/2004 3:38:11 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
IMHO, Hillary! had good reason to think that she “deserved” the Senate seat from New York. After all, she was the one who enticed Moynihan to step aside - probably by proffering items from his FBI file. Who knows? She might have even scrutinized Kennedy’s file and discovered items which would turn him into a “good little boy” and forget the Senate.
64 posted on 03/25/2004 3:57:36 AM PST by bimbo
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To: JustPlainJoe
BTW,

in case it's unclear . . .

. . . . Shrillery . . . .

is NOT on my short list of dinner guests.


Actually, she's not on any of my civil, pleasant, positive lists.

I don't really think she's even in the library.

Maybe you had a clue about that?
65 posted on 03/25/2004 4:22:49 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: chickens
The whole thing would make a great coat-of-arms though, a great two-headed black snake, rising from a pile of dirty laundry -- coiled around a broken alarm clock, some interns, and eight smashed model airplanes.

Obviously a contemporary artiste. Are you allowed to be one and still be conservative?

66 posted on 03/26/2004 1:57:22 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: acehai
Examination revealed that Carolyn Bessette Kennedy was in third trimester pregnant, the fetus a boy.

She was NOT. Third trimester is VERY pregnant, and someone as thin as Carolyn would have been obviously pregnant to anyone who saw her. Women that thin look like they have swallowed a basketball at that stage of pregnancy.

So if that is not true, what else in there is not true? What is the source for this? I don't know much about flying planes, but I know about third trimester pregnancy.

67 posted on 03/26/2004 2:09:12 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Whenifhow; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; 2ndDivisionVet; azishot; ...

55 years ago tomorrow....

flashback! One of DJT’s friends did done get wronged...


68 posted on 11/21/2018 4:17:29 PM PST by bitt ("Let justice be done though the heavens fall".)
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To: bitt

(I meant JFK’s death 55 years ago tomorrow)... DJT was friends with JFKjr.)


69 posted on 11/21/2018 4:18:27 PM PST by bitt ("Let justice be done though the heavens fall".)
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To: bitt; All
Oliver Stone's movie JFK, seems even more relevant today, after the Deep State's attempt to bring down the Trump presidency.


70 posted on 11/21/2018 4:45:41 PM PST by amorphous
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To: Wally_Kalbacken; twigs
I hope to read soon that Hillary is getting her pilot's license. I detest her. ---

____________________

LOL ......... she hasn't even driven a car in 30 years.

71 posted on 11/22/2018 1:49:43 AM PST by a little elbow grease (duct tape and cable ties hold more worth than pussy hats andYOI! resistance)
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