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Charley Reese Warns: "Don't Enlist in the Culture War"
King Features Syndicate, Inc. ^ | 03-19-04 | Reese, Charley

Posted on 03/19/2004 5:43:00 AM PST by Theodore R.

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To: Theodore R.
Attraction to the same sex is not amenable to the law. The attraction will exist whether the law forbids it, allows it or ignores it.

The issue is that the liberals want to use the law to promote it. That is an illegitimate imposition of liberal moral values on the rest of society.

21 posted on 03/19/2004 6:59:29 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Theodore R.
Soeey Charley.

The danger America faces today is rooted in the takeover of our schools by left leaning zealots.

They indoctrinate the kids into thinking that it is government's job to provide jobs, and that all other values are "relative".

Government grows and the culture blows.

22 posted on 03/19/2004 7:12:29 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: Theodore R.
Here's clueless Charlie "bubbles" May 10 2002:

"I wish more Americans had an opportunity to get to know Muslims. Then they would not be susceptible to the silly anti-Muslim propaganda that is floated by some right-wing Christians."

23 posted on 03/19/2004 7:29:18 AM PST by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent---then Destroy)
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To: Theodore R.
Sorry Charlie. The moral fabric of this country has become largely unwound and that's what gives government the open door to go bad.

The once strong belief in the existence of God and, indeed, in the existence of the entire Holy Trinity was eroded by people's acceptance of evolution and secular humanism thereby causing the American public to drift away from belief that their rights and freedoms came from God (as the founders believed and stated) and thereby removing the most significant cornerstone of our nation's foundation. This shift has had profound impact on shaping our government's actions since it no longer felt it had to answer to any higher power for its actions.

The Godly ethic of hard work went down the drain, and so people started demanding that their government provide for them, hence the socialistic social programs we have.

The rise of selfishness and the decline in respect for fathers and for the family as a cohesive unit in general has sparked the allowances for no-fault divorces, the breakdown of the American family, and the wholesale abandonment of American children by many of the parents in this nation. Parents instead began leaving it to daycares, foster homes, schools, and television to raise their children. More and more government has taken control of these institutions and thereby taken the authority of raising the children of this nation, and they never teach them the right things.

The ridicule and emasculation of men, and especially fathers, coupled with the demeaning rhetoric against motherhood and femininity, has led to a rise in gender confusion which has been used to convince many, many Americans that they are gay and to accept that lifestyle of death. This of course has led to more and more government intervention on behalf of the evil underbelly's twisted, permuted victims in the name of "gay rights" and the trampling of the rights of the morally opposed persons in our society who do not accept this lifestyle of death.

Again false science and our own selfishness came together to hammer away at our belief in the importance of protecting innocent life. This of course led to the clamor for and the legalization of abortion, a blight on our nation which has only served to eat us out from the core as it was intended to do.

It is quite obvious therefore in light of these things that moral decline is a necessary and inevitable precursor to a decline into tyranny and oppression. If our government is a government "of the people" then it only stands to reason that if the people are morally corrupted then they will bring that corruption with them and govern themselves corruptly.

24 posted on 03/19/2004 7:29:21 AM PST by MarcoPolo
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To: Unam Sanctam
The issue is that the liberals want to use the law to promote it. That is an illegitimate imposition of liberal moral values on the rest of society.

Not just that -- they want government benefits (social security survivors' benefits, etc.) to be given to the partners in gay marriages.

25 posted on 03/19/2004 8:19:38 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: Theodore R.
Morality is a matter of individual conscience

And that is the heart of the culture war in America - morality is NOT a matter of individual conscience. Morality is based on the Judeo-Christian roots of America. The measure of morality is objective, revealed, and not up to the individual.

If his statement was true, then there would be NO grounds for assessing anyone as "right" or "wrong". There would be no objective standards for determining "evil" and "good." Neither Hitler nor Mother Teresa could be judged for the course of their lives.

That statement is foolish, self-serving, and just plain ignorant!

26 posted on 03/19/2004 8:21:39 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Theodore R.
Reese says that he voted for the Bush electors in 2000 in FL, but now he is strongly anti-Bush (and by default will "vote" for Kerry. He thinks conservatives are using the "culture war" for political ends. He falls increasingly in the "libertarian" strain of politics. Yes, as someone asked, he is anti-Israel, but he would say that is not the same as "anti-Semitic."

The net result is the same. I think some of Bush's opposition on the (so-called) Right is because his policies are perceived by them as being too favorable for Israel.

27 posted on 03/19/2004 8:30:00 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Sam's Army
Is this the same Charlie Reese that thinks Israel is always in the wrong?

It's the message, not the messenger.

28 posted on 03/19/2004 8:51:59 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: ladtx
Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.

29 posted on 03/19/2004 8:54:06 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Theodore R.
Attraction to the same sex is not amenable to the law. The attraction will exist whether the law forbids it, allows it or ignores it. The same is true of addiction to chemicals. Fidelity in marriage, faith in a religion, personal honesty, integrity, respect for others, frugality and courage are all beyond the reach of government — and should be.

This is the heart of the libertarian thought. but the government has a vested interest in the stability that marriage between man and woman provides. So it endorses that marriage and provides some government goodies, like social security to widows...

The marriage of homosexuals, however important it is to them is really a part of the democrat coalition list of pet causes. So is more welfare for illegal immigrants. the left has been chipping away at the fabric of this country for a while. Teachers in schools all know how important acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle is. they could lose their jobs if they don't agree. So it goes. Charlie Reese is so very out of touch with what is really happening, and why the moral part of America is correct to enlist in the culture war that he really does not deserve editorial space, and would not get it if it were not for the media being party to the democratic coalition's agenda.

While Charlie may be right that some behavior cannot be a matter for the police, marriage is a public function that requires a public license. The government is involved, whether to issue it or deny it.

30 posted on 03/19/2004 9:33:32 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Protagoras
Israeli self-defense always seems to bring out the worst in some, for whatever reason.
31 posted on 03/19/2004 10:34:56 AM PST by Sam's Army (Why is the left suddenly full of Biblical Scholars?)
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To: Theodore R.
Charley seems not to be able to get it right. He among many other media conservatives have an oblique method of supporting Martha. Bash the government then portray Martha as a victim. They have not the guts to come out and support Martha without hiding behind government bashing. Wes Pruden did the same thing. Cowards
32 posted on 03/19/2004 10:39:36 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Theodore R.
This guy writes for a free local rag in my area, I used to enjoy his articles and then a screw came loose and for some reason he got very liberal even though he calls himself a conservative. I ended up calling the paper and telling them to stop littering my lawn with his poop.
33 posted on 03/19/2004 10:43:14 AM PST by lilypad
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To: Sam's Army
Perhaps, but in this case it is irrelevant. He makes points that can be accepted or rejected. He himself, and his opinions on other subjects are irrelevant.
34 posted on 03/19/2004 11:09:11 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Protagoras
I asked a clarifying question at the beginning of the thread and now the Relevancy Police are out.

Reese is a loser.

35 posted on 03/19/2004 11:29:38 AM PST by Sam's Army (Charle Reese: Be for less gov't----vote Democrat.)
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To: Sam's Army
He ain't the only one.
36 posted on 03/19/2004 11:46:44 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Protagoras
Youze got dat right
37 posted on 03/19/2004 12:44:13 PM PST by Sam's Army (Charlie Reese: Be for less gov't----vote Democrat.)
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To: Theodore R.

"Wasn't it Pat Buchanan, who Reese once supported, that coined the term "culture war"?"

If I recall, charley wrote a column before the nov 2000 electoin saying that while PB was the 'best' man for the country, he had no chance of winning and every chance of putting gore in the WH, and thus should drop out so bush might win.


38 posted on 05/17/2004 8:14:29 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Protagoras

"He makes points that can be accepted or rejected. He himself, and his opinions on other subjects are irrelevant.
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Posting a reese article is a good way to get some flames. Before the 2001 terrorist attacks, when most of his columns didn't involve the middle east, he was a favorite on FR. Now, given his very extreme dislike of anything associated with israel, his pro-palestinian views, etc., anything else he says tends to be discredited. I don't get the overt hostility some posters show, but it is real, and this is a private forum, so I guess they can ban it if they want.


39 posted on 05/17/2004 8:18:47 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: alloysteel

I don't know who the "best and brightest" may be, but CR is definitely one of the "worst and dullest." His column appears in our local paper, a low-budget operation, so the column must come cheap. I have never seen a letter to the editor applauding anything CR has written, nor have I ever heard anyone around here talk about what CR says. He's a very peculiar man.


40 posted on 05/17/2004 8:59:46 PM PDT by mathurine
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