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Kerry's Campaign Asked A [Disabled] Veteran To Change Story - KC Meeting At Issue
New York Sun | March 22, 2004 | Thomas H. Lipscomb

Posted on 03/22/2004 8:28:31 AM PST by Hon

KERRY’S CAMPAIGN ASKED A VETERAN TO CHANGE STORY

KANSAS MEETING AT ISSUE

By THOMAS H. LIPSCOMB Special to the Sun

    A Vietnam veteran who said he remembers John Kerry participating in a 1971 Kansas City meeting at which an assassination plot was discussed says an official with the Kerry presidential campaign called him this month and pressured him to change his story.

    The veteran, John Musgrave, says he was called twice by the head of Veterans for Kerry, John Hurley, while a reporter for the Kansas City Star worked on a follow-up piece to a New York Sun article about the November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the
War at which a plot to kill U.S. senators was voted down. Asked by The New York Sun if he felt pressured, Mr. Musgrave said, “In the second call I did.” Mr. Musgrave said Mr. Hurley said Mr. Kerry had told him “he was definitely not in Kansas City.”

    According to Mr. Musgrave, Mr. Hurley said, “Why don’t you refresh your memory and call that reporter back?”

    A spokesman for Mr. Kerry’s presidential campaign, David Wade, last week issued a statement to the Sun, following a week of denials, that said “we accept” Mr. Kerry’s presence in Kansas City as a “historical footnote.”

    By then, the recollections of six witnesses, along with minutes and FBI records, placed Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting.

    But the news of the calls from the campaign to Mr. Musgrave may move the episode from what the campaign is describing as a “historical footnote” to a matter that involves the contemporary behavior of Mr. Kerry and his campaign.

    Mr. Musgrave said he received three Purple Hearts in Vietnam. After the third Purple Heart for wounds by three 7.62 rounds, one to the jaw and two to the left chest, Mr. Musgrave refused the standard release from further service in the combat zone offered Marines with three Purple Hearts and tried to return to his unit, he said.

    But because of the extent of his injuries he was retired from the Marines with full disability and sent home, he said.

    Mr. Musgrave said, “I told Hurley it was my first meeting as a state officer of the VVAW, and I remember John being there. I remember what I remember.”

    When asked whom he is supporting in the presidential election, Mr. Musgrave replied, “I am undecided. But I am sure not voting for some guy who called me a liar.”

    Mr. Hurley did not return calls for comment for this article.

    Another related episode in which the Kerry campaign had to handle questions about Vietnam Veterans Against the War involves a statement by Mr. Kerry himself.

    At a Capitol Hill press conference on March 11, 2004, Mr. Kerry was asked by a reporter if he thought his credibility had been affected by his close association with Al Hubbard, a key VVAW colleague of Mr. Kerry’s who had appointed him to the leadership of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

    Mr. Hubbard claimed to be a wounded Air Force officer who had served at Danang during the Vietnam War. He appeared with Mr. Kerry many times, including the “Meet the Press” interview after Mr.Kerry’s Senate testimony about American “war crimes” in Vietnam.

    But Mr. Hubbard was never in Vietnam, was never wounded, and was not an officer, as subsequent research and Mr. Kerry himself have pointed out.

    Mr. Kerry answered this month that he had not spoken to Mr.Hubbard since the week of April 19, 1971.

    Yet the Kerry campaign now apparently accepts that Mr. Kerry was at the November 12 to 15, 1971,VVAW meeting. Mr. Musgrave said he remembers that at that meeting, Mr. Kerry challenged Mr. Hubbard’s continuing to maintain his false claims to being an Air Force officer wounded at Danang.

    “Hubbard sort of sat there with his eyes downcast and Mike Oliver really did all the arguing for him,” Mr. Musgrave said. “And suddenly Hubbard got up and said he was having an ulcer attack and had to get to New York immediately to see his doctor and ran out of the room.You would think we didn’t have any doctors or hospitals in Kansas City.”

    In addition, the New York Times reported on an August 29, 1971, fundraising party for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which “Mr. Kerry and Al Hubbard, another veteran, explained some of the aims of the organization.”


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004; darkplot; kerry; phoenixproject; thomaslipscomb; vietgate; vvaw
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Just like Kerry, Musgrave got three Purple Hearts in VN. Only were serious wounds. (One left a fist-sized hole in his chest.)

Unlike Kerry, Musgrave tried to stay in VN, but couldn't pass the physical--and was given a full disability retirement from the Marines.

1 posted on 03/22/2004 8:28:32 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Now lets see if the FBI surveillance reports that Kerry intended to lead this group into 1972 get traction.
2 posted on 03/22/2004 8:32:56 AM PST by threat matrix
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To: Hon
The Hubbard story is a side show. The key is the assassination plot---and his efforts to coerce witnesses into changing their story.
3 posted on 03/22/2004 8:33:11 AM PST by John Thornton
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To: Hon
Thanks for this post, and the effort you're making on this project.
4 posted on 03/22/2004 8:35:14 AM PST by Fracas
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To: Hon; doug from upland; Sabertooth; Mo1; StriperSniper
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5 posted on 03/22/2004 8:35:43 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Hon
at which a plot to kill U.S. senators was voted down...

Makes one wonder which way Mr. Kerry voted.

6 posted on 03/22/2004 8:36:26 AM PST by bcoffey
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To: bcoffey
Kerry voted no.
7 posted on 03/22/2004 8:37:05 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Hon; Peach; Dog; Howlin; Miss Marple
bttt
8 posted on 03/22/2004 8:37:16 AM PST by kayak (The terrorists ... are offended by our existence as free nations. ~ GWB 3/19/04)
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To: Hon
Mr. Musgrave said he received three Purple Hearts in Vietnam. After the third Purple Heart for wounds by three 7.62 rounds, one to the jaw and two to the left chest, Mr. Musgrave refused the standard release from further service in the combat zone offered Marines with three Purple Hearts and tried to return to his unit, he said.

But because of the extent of his injuries he was retired from the Marines with full disability and sent home, he said.

Contrast this veterans service to John Effing Kerry's "three boo-boos and I'm out". (To be entirely truthful, one of those boo-boos could be classified as an owie and required a Snoopy bandaid and a kiss before it felt better.)

9 posted on 03/22/2004 8:38:16 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn?t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Hon
WOW! I am so glad they aren't subtle and sneaky like the clintonistas!! Maybe we have overcome!!
10 posted on 03/22/2004 8:40:26 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Hon
Front page of the LA Times this morning is about the KC meeting ... and the St. Louis meeting. No mention was made about the plot to kill congressmen.
11 posted on 03/22/2004 8:41:51 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Help Bring Colly-fornia Back ...)
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To: Hon
The Kerry "strongarm machine" rivals the Kennedy and Clinton thugs. Scary. I'm sending this to all on my email list, thanks for posting.
12 posted on 03/22/2004 8:41:54 AM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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Kerry voted no.

But his no vote was actually a yes vote, which indicated that he supported the move, but actually didn't want it to pass because he was under the impression that if it passed it might not come to pass, and when things came to that pass, it was time for Kerry to pass.

13 posted on 03/22/2004 8:43:09 AM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: bcoffey
Makes one wonder which way Mr. Kerry voted.

Why would he have to vote only one way?

14 posted on 03/22/2004 8:44:40 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Bill Clinton is the Neville Chamberlain of the War on Terror.)
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To: Hon
Mr. Musgrave said he received three Purple Hearts in Vietnam. After the third Purple Heart for wounds by three 7.62 rounds, one to the jaw and two to the left chest, Mr. Musgrave refused the standard release from further service in the combat zone offered Marines with three Purple Hearts and tried to return to his unit

Sounds like John Kerry's story... except John Kerry did not miss one day of work with his "injuries."

15 posted on 03/22/2004 8:45:13 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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Mr. Hurley said, “Why don’t you refresh your memory and call that reporter back?”

Sounds like something John Gotti would have said...

Kerry should have waited another 20 years to run for President. By 2024, more of the eyewitnesses against him would be gone.

If he waited, he would have had twenty more years to try to purge/discredit the physical records against him, too.

But, then again, in 20 years Teresa would be 84, I think. She'd look awfully funny if she were still wearing the face of a forty-five year old.

16 posted on 03/22/2004 8:45:30 AM PST by syriacus (Kerry abandoned the children of Southeast Asia. HE made it seem our GIs died in vain.)
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To: Agnes Heep
You have Kerry's thought processes down pat. LOL!
17 posted on 03/22/2004 8:46:46 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Hon
I am amazed this story hasn't finished Kerry! Here we have a presidential nominee who took part in a meeting to kill US Senators and nobody seems to care. WHEN will Kerry answer for his actions? I hope the answer to that question is he will answer at the polls in November but I wonder.
18 posted on 03/22/2004 8:47:29 AM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
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To: KarlInOhio
Makes one wonder which way Mr. Kerry voted.

Why would he have to vote only one way?

LOL.

"I voted for the assassinations, before I voted against them."

19 posted on 03/22/2004 8:47:38 AM PST by syriacus (Kerry abandoned the children of Southeast Asia. HE made it seem our GIs died in vain.)
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To: Hon
A spokesman for Mr. Kerry’s presidential campaign, David Wade, last week issued a statement to the Sun, following a week of denials, that said “we accept” Mr. Kerry’s presence in Kansas City as a “historical footnote.”

And that means exactly what? Sort of a rendition of Bill Clinton's 'is is' statement. So what if Kerry was just a footnote; he was there. This spokesman is trying to make a denial non-denial and it isn't washing.

Next, will we hear a "I voted for assassinating those Senators before I voted against it"?????
20 posted on 03/22/2004 8:48:48 AM PST by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hindsight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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