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There is NO DEAL says, Arnold Schwarzenegger!
www.ktkz.com | March 23, 2004 | Eric Hogue

Posted on 03/23/2004 4:50:02 PM PST by Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ

News from the "Belly of the Beast", the Governor's office is reporting that there is "NO DEAL" with Gil Cedillo on SB1160. I have confirmed reports that Arnold has NOT agreed to anything...and what he has mentioned as a possibility is too strict for the taste and liking of Cedillo and the Democrats.

Plus...there was a report that 12 Republicans were ready to sign this 'piece of legislation' (that never was/is)...well I discivered today that the truth is...the Democrats don't have enough votes to bring this (if it was an authentic committee draft, it's not!) to a count in the Assembly. They have a majority and they can't bring themselves to face another defeat on an issue like this!

I hate to say I told you so...but...

Now, stop supporting the Democrats 'attack Arnold' campaign, as well as their effort to eat at the conservative vote in the GOP for California. They have a problem with passion surrounding John Kerry - Don't let them create appathy for the GOP vote.

Stop carrying the water for Gil Cedillo, Art Torres, Fabian Nunez and John Burton! Support the new administration and its goal, while supporting Bush for '04 in California!

I'm a believer, are you?


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 1380ktkz; erichogue; gilcedillo; sb1160
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1 posted on 03/23/2004 4:50:03 PM PST by Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
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To: Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ; My2Cents; FairOpinion; South40; doodlelady; Tamsey; BibChr; EggsAckley
All fifteen GOP senators are firm:
NO to Cedillo.
Bashing Governor Arnold here is sport for some.
Their guy lost and they can't get over it.
Pity.

2 posted on 03/23/2004 4:55:40 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
Oh Puhleeze. This has nothing to do with attacking Ahnold. It has to do with our citizens being fed up with capitulation to illegal aliens! It's valid criticizm and has NOTHING to do with supporting Democrats in their Ahnold attack.

Are all Republicans beyond reproach no matter what they do? How then do we differ from the typical, brain dead Democrat?
3 posted on 03/23/2004 4:55:53 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy!)
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To: onyx
All fifteen GOP senators are firm:

And you see no connection between that and the activism amongst the GOP base? If we just sat quietly, hoping for them to do the right thing... they'd slip into the depths of RINO Hell once again.

4 posted on 03/23/2004 4:58:51 PM PST by ambrose ("I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" - John F. al-Query)
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To: ambrose
In the matter of DLs for illegals?
No, I don't see activism as the force behind the GOP senators' position.
The public at large hates the very idea.
To me, this is a no-brainer.

5 posted on 03/23/2004 5:02:59 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: onyx
In the matter of DLs for illegals? ... The public at large hates the very idea. ...

Yet it is the law in some states.

6 posted on 03/23/2004 5:04:58 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
All last week, portions of this week, all I heard were peaople quoting Gil Cedillo - who offered this on a Spanish speaking radio station - as the "Fifth Gospel". We gave him fuel and position over 'AS'...we playing into the propaganda of Cedillo. You MUSt read all of my bloggins on this at the web site - shameless plug I know!
7 posted on 03/23/2004 5:06:53 PM PST by Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ (1380 KTKZ / 5-9AM Weekdays in Sacramento)
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To: ambrose
And you see no connection between that and the activism amongst the GOP base?

Some of us work hard to keep their feet to the fire, and it's working! Well done all who refuse to capitulate just because there is an R in front of a name! The rest have alot to answer for.
8 posted on 03/23/2004 5:07:19 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy!)
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To: onyx
But you see, we're all doomed, and there are traitors in our midst!

And if you don't mind, would kindly deposit a small donation so I can continue to remind you of this!
9 posted on 03/23/2004 5:08:45 PM PST by ambrose ("I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" - John F. al-Query)
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To: Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
Oh no!!! All that speculation and nothing to come of it!!! What will the paranoid detractors do now?

Oh I know they'll try to sink President Bush's re-election campaign. Like the good little liberals that are posing as conservatives that some of them are. I know that not all of them are posers but there are enough of them around to feed red meat and to incite real conservatives in an attempt to demoralize the voting base.
10 posted on 03/23/2004 5:11:10 PM PST by Tempest (Don't blame me, I'm voting for Bush.)
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To: onyx
Bashing Governor Arnold here is sport for some.
Their guy lost and they can't get over it.

Tis true; there are a few simpleminded cowards who continue to harass others for voting for the only man who stood a chance of defeating cruz bustamante.

And, by doing so, they perpetuate the perception (and reality) that they are political infants who lack any clear understanding of the electoral process.

So be it.

11 posted on 03/23/2004 5:11:34 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: onyx
Shhh. Don't argue with the patients. If he thinks he's Marshall Dillon, let him be Marshall Dillon. Nothing is going to change and Arnold will continue to do what he said he would do.
12 posted on 03/23/2004 5:12:31 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Tempest
We have the Dems on the run here in Sacto, the GOP needs fanfare and cheering, NOT constant critical rhetoric IN THE MEDIA so people believe they are NOT representing them. Thanks for your intelligent support of the NEW Republican Party in CA!
13 posted on 03/23/2004 5:17:18 PM PST by Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ (1380 KTKZ / 5-9AM Weekdays in Sacramento)
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To: RGSpincich
Dillon??

"What happened to you Dillon, you used to be someone I could trust..."

RUUUN GET TO DA CHAPPAHHH!!!

14 posted on 03/23/2004 5:18:03 PM PST by Benrand
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Are all Republicans beyond reproach no matter what they do?

The very thought that a vote to defeat bustamante warrants reproach is indicative of the fact that some still don't get it.

Had Arnold not won bustamante would be California's current governor.

I, as are many, am proud to say I helped soundly defeat the racist Mexican.

That may ring hollow in the mind of a DC resident but for those of us who actually live in California it is a tremendous accomplishment.

15 posted on 03/23/2004 5:20:14 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: RGSpincich
Nothing is going to change and Arnold will continue to do what he said he would do.

Well said!
And the most important thing Arnold promised? NO TAX INCREASES!! And Arnold Schwarzenegger is a man of his word, a stand-up guy, and a great governor. He is certainly not a lying scumbag, no way. He will NEVER allow the scumbag Democrats to raise taxes.

Go Arnold!!

16 posted on 03/23/2004 5:20:50 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ; onyx
News from the "Belly of the Beast", the Governor's office is reporting that there is "NO DEAL" with Gil Cedillo on SB1160.

Excellent!

17 posted on 03/23/2004 5:23:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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There is no deal maybe but the Governor (as candidate) never said he was against drivers' licenses for "undocumented workers." In fact, his official web site (as candidate) stated clearly he intended to do everything possible for them short of "amnesty." Depends upon the meaning of deal, huh?

I hate these kinds of games, whether it's from Party hacks or liberal swine.

I've heard the audio of the Governor telling a Hispanic reporter (Sacramento's Ch 19, I think) at a Sacramento Press Club lunch last January, I believe, that he and Cedillo are working on "a great bill." The governor was talking about a replacement for the repealed bill that permitted drivers' licenses for ILLEGALS.

One thing that is good about all this is it will spur signatures for son of Prop 187.

Unfortunately many dimwitted Californians have fallen for dem Rats' trick of blaming Republican support of the original Prop 187 for the Party's problems. This is likely one of Bob Mulholland's best tricks.

Sixty percent of Californians voters voted for Prop 187 -- including 25 - 30 percent of Americans of Hispanic origin. Forty percent of the people who voted in 1994 came out specifically to vote for Prop 187. What kind of "thinking" believes that support of prop 187 is unpopular? Go figure.

The California's Republican Party's problems since 1994 IMO is due to Democrat moles running the Party.

19 posted on 03/23/2004 5:37:13 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: onyx
BUMP
20 posted on 03/23/2004 5:38:11 PM PST by PRND21
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To: ambrose; onyx; Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
RE: "If we just sat quietly, hoping. . . ."

Why bother with reason. The mainstream Republicans have mastered the liberals' patented ad hominen attacks. You'll get very little discourse from them. Not as bad as dem Rats yet, but they're gaining.

I heard a few minutes of Mr. Hogue's program. We are too dumb to understand that dem Rats are using us, you see.

21 posted on 03/23/2004 5:48:22 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
Since 1949, when the United Nations sanctioned its use, the International Driver's License (IDL) has allowed International Travelers to drive freely throughout the world. The bill to give a state drivers license to any foreign national as visitor to California is not in not logic with international customs, the proper document for these drivers is the IDL. Why doesn't the rest of the world have a problem with its visitors? Because they use what is called a passport! Its Ironic that the same people who promote the UN as the ultimate authority, including all the Dems in the CA legislator and the government of Mexico (whom did not support the US in Iraq), these are the same folks that don't want to follow international law when it comes to passports and IDLs!
22 posted on 03/23/2004 5:52:45 PM PST by seastay
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I've been hearing about this "plot" between the governor, the Republican senators and Cedillo for days and all of it spread by conservatives.

If it really isn't true, as this talk show host says, then what are we to think?

Why should we believe the next conspiracy theory that is spread?
23 posted on 03/23/2004 5:55:03 PM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: seastay
arnold brought a EARTHQUAKE to Gray Davis...Can he help Bring about a California REVOLUTION for GWB in 04....?
24 posted on 03/23/2004 5:57:27 PM PST by Republic Rocker
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To: RGSpincich
Shhh. Don't argue with the patients.

LOL! Thank you!

If he thinks he's Marshall Dillon, let him be Marshall Dillon. Nothing is going to change and Arnold will continue to do what he said he would do.

Well, dang me, dang me, so long as Marshall Dillon don't hang me. :)

25 posted on 03/23/2004 6:10:17 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Mainstream Republicans.

That's a nice way of putting it. Thank you.

26 posted on 03/23/2004 6:12:26 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: ambrose
I "almost" feel bad for cutting out to Mississippi on yall.
Emphasis on "almost."
27 posted on 03/23/2004 6:14:53 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: onyx
If he thinks he's Marshall Dillon, let him be Marshall Dillon.

Marshall Dillon?

More like Chief Bromden.

28 posted on 03/23/2004 6:16:49 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: Columbine
RE: Why should we believe the next conspiracy theory that is spread?

The best way to understand this "conspiracy theory" is for you to hear the Governor himself say it at the Sacramento Press Club lunch. He was responding to a question from a Hispanic reporter for Channel 19. I threw my TV away ten years ago and have not watched TV since. I do not know the current status of local TV but I think Ch 19 is Telemondo or something like that.

Otherwise, here is a link to some Freep threads that discuss the matter from all angles.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/k-sb60/browse

I will quote from one of the threads' articles by everybody's favorite. One of the best and brightest Sacramento Bee brains, Daniel Weintraub

Now that SB 60, the illegal immigrants' drivers license bill, is about to be repealed, speculation shifts to exactly what Schwarzenegger envisions as the next move on this issue. He has said since the campaign that he was open to some sort of compromise. In an interview Monday with Univision 19 anchor Pablo Espinoza, the governor suggests that he will agree to legislation giving illegal immigrants licenses as long as they are able to show proof of insurance, undergo background checks and have their digital fingerprints recorded. Here is a transcript of the interview provided by the station:

Reporter: "You did say that to me when we talked one on one (Sept. 6, 2003) that you would consider a package deal that would have included a requirement of insurance for those people that are going to get the drivers license. That I know is something that you believe in. Do you also believe that all undocumented immigrants will be able to get a drivers license if they present insurance, if they have a background check, fingerprints?

Governor: "Absolutely...yes. This is what we are going to work on. This is what we are going to talk about, but right now the most important thing is to get this passed (the repeal of SB 60) so we can move to other issues. I think Senator Cedillo was extremely gracious and helpful with this whole thing. He is a great leader, he understood what would be the best thing for California; rather than just doing an immediate fix, but to make everybody happy. It doesn't make sense if the majority of Californians run around and hate the idea of undocumented immigrants having drivers licenses because there is no background check, because it doesn't solve the problem with insurance. Let's do it the right way, let's make every Californian happy and let's make the undocumented immigrants happy." [end extensive excerpt]

Note the reference to "background checks and have their digital fingerprints." IMO that will increase the license fees for everyone by two or three times, I bet. That has been cost estimates in the past.

29 posted on 03/23/2004 6:17:16 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Columbine; Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
RE: Why should we believe the next conspiracy theory that is spread?

continued

So in my mind the ""NO DEAL" with Gil Cedillo on SB1160" issue is like one of them stupid liberal tricks -- or, perhaps the "meaning of is" gambit.

Either way, it's silly. Fact is, the governor has stated clearly that he is open to a deal.

No amount of personal attacks are going to keep Americans from expressing an opinion on this most ciritcal (IMO) issue.

30 posted on 03/23/2004 6:27:14 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
I'm a believer, are you?

No.

From your own post:

I have confirmed reports that Arnold has NOT agreed to anything...and what he has mentioned as a possibility is too strict for the taste and liking of Cedillo and the Democrats.

Need more?

Schwarzenegger criticized Davis for signing a bill granting driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants, saying, "We're leaving ourselves wide open to terrorism." And he repeated his support for a guest-worker visa program -- "then they can (get) driver's licenses hooked together with insurance."
Sacramento Bee - September 9th, 2003


Schwarzenegger said he opposed the bill because it would "bring danger to our state" because it doesn't require background checks of illegal immigrants.

He did, however, say he supported proposed federal legislation that would help those in the United States illegally become legal residents more quickly.
Sacramento Bee - September 17th, 2003

Why does Schwarzenegger consistently leave the door open for CDLs for Illegals?


31 posted on 03/23/2004 6:31:56 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth

Saber, try this thread. You'll feel better.

32 posted on 03/23/2004 6:35:08 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: Sabertooth
LOL! New computer is so fast, it didn't let me stop the post.

I forgot to add the link to the thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103931/posts
33 posted on 03/23/2004 6:37:59 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ; Tamsey; Tempest; My2Cents; redlipstick; EggsAckley; FairOpinion; ...
Excellent.

As many of you know, Eric's got excellent creds. Eric's show birthed the recall. While some here were happy enough being Bustamante/Davis' only and best hope, Eric was a very active supporter and promoter of the dethroning and replacement of Davis. His show is a bright spot in a dark town; I listen and enjoy every day.

(You can hear it on www.ktkz.com, M-F, 5-9 am. You'll be glad you did!)

Dan
34 posted on 03/23/2004 6:38:04 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: onyx
In the matter of DLs for illegals?
No, I don't see activism as the force behind the GOP senators' position.
The public at large hates the very idea.
To me, this is a no-brainer.

Assemblyman John Campbell was on the John and Ken Show last week (maybe the week before), and was asked about SB 1160. He said he would oppose it, and didn't think there were enough Republicans to pass it.

He said there would have been last year, because the Pubbies in the Assembly and State Senate had no idea how strongly the voters were opposed to any kind of CDL for Illegals.

What changed between last year and this year?


35 posted on 03/23/2004 6:39:16 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: BibChr

BUMP!
Good to *see* you Dan.
36 posted on 03/23/2004 6:39:51 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: blake6900; Joe Hadenuf
I've heard worse...
37 posted on 03/23/2004 6:41:47 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Sabertooth

What changed between last year and this year?

The successful recall of Gray Doofus and the election of Governor Arnold by a landslide.

38 posted on 03/23/2004 6:42:56 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: onyx
The successful recall of Gray Doofus and the election of Governor Arnold by a landslide.

More than either of those, with regard to the CDLs for Illegals, was the qualification of the Save Our License referendum.

The politicos realied that the "Proposition #187 backlash" was just wolf-crying spin, and that Illegals are wildly unpopular among the electorate.


39 posted on 03/23/2004 6:48:17 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth

I think it's a combination of a lot of factors; chiefly because the very idea of granting DLs to illegals just doesn't sit right with most folks. Moter Voter is the cincher, I believe. Give 'em DLs and they get to vote. That is the reason the democrats want to give them CA DLs.

40 posted on 03/23/2004 6:55:10 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
No one has attacked you personally or otherwise.

For days I've been reading here that the CA governor and several CA legislators were in cahoots with the Dems to grant illegals drivers licenses.

Some of you may not realize but those of us who don't live in CA depend on what you say to be true because we don't hear or see much of your local news.

If conservatives believe and spread tinhat stuff then I might as well depend on mainstream media.
41 posted on 03/23/2004 7:00:25 PM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: Sabertooth
Because he has to negotiate with the majority of Democrats in Sacramento! Because he cannot offer a flat NO due to 14 other states having them legally and Bush offering a guest workers program...he needs to maintain the popular status in this liberal state, because he is turning this state around when it comes to financial, attitudes, bi-partison votes and party growth/direction...emough?
42 posted on 03/23/2004 7:08:59 PM PST by Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ (1380 KTKZ / 5-9AM Weekdays in Sacramento)
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To: onyx
My, what a big graphic you have, young lady. :-)
43 posted on 03/23/2004 7:09:09 PM PST by Howlin
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Since we seem to be neighbors, we should have a beer and solve the worlds problems sometime.

Where in 95608 do you live? I am just North of Del Campo.....



Patrick
44 posted on 03/23/2004 7:10:51 PM PST by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Still can't spell his name right?
45 posted on 03/23/2004 7:36:01 PM PST by CheneyChick
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To: CheneyChick
HELLO!!!!
46 posted on 03/23/2004 7:36:41 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: vikingchick
HI!!!
47 posted on 03/23/2004 7:39:30 PM PST by CheneyChick
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
"Are all Republicans beyond reproach no matter what they do?"

No, but I find a lot of attacks that are based on rumor to be rather insidious.
48 posted on 03/23/2004 7:42:19 PM PST by Tempest (Don't blame me, I'm voting for Bush.)
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To: BibChr
As many of you know, Eric's got excellent creds. Eric's show birthed the recall.

Ummm, no. Lee Rogers/Melanie Morgan's 5-9 AM show on 560 KSFO.

49 posted on 03/23/2004 7:43:32 PM PST by null and void (Don't stand idly by and watch your country commit Hairy Kerry!)
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To: CheneyChick
Are you back??? Let's do lunch.
50 posted on 03/23/2004 7:44:17 PM PST by vikingchick
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