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Sen. Stennis Shot in DC (1973 AFVN Radio transcript)
American Forces Vietnam Network (archive) ^ | January 73 | SP5 Jerry Elliott

Posted on 03/23/2004 10:38:40 PM PST by Sabertooth

This is the American Forces Vietnam Network.

< -snip- >

News compiled from major commercial and military news sources.

It’s 5 pm.

In the top of the News, Senator John Stennis underwent a lengthy operation at Walter Reed Army Medical Center after he was shot during a hold up in front of his Washington home today.

The surgery was for the removal of two bullets, one from the Senator’s chest, and one from his left leg.

A hospital spokesman says that Stennis’ condition is listed as stable.

White House News Secretary Ronald Ziegler says that President Nixon has been informed of the shooting, and has instructed the FBI to assist in every possible way.

A 1971 law makes it a federal crime to assault or kidnap or kill a member of Congress.

Stennis, who entered the Senate in 1947, is Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Police spokesman say the 71 year-old Mississippi Democrat was shot as he stepped from his car in front of his home.

They say the assailants got Stennis’ gold watch, wallet, and 25 cents in change.

The Senator reportedly offered no resistance to his assailants, and, after being shot, crawled fifty feet to his house, where his wife called the police.

Police say they are searching for two black men in connection with the shooting.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: 1973; centralresearchagncy; darkplot; johncstennis; johnfanatickerry; johnstennis; phoenixproject; phunghoang; scientology; stennis; tyronemarshall
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To: Sabertooth
Scientology ???

Why am I surprised .. but yet at the same time not shocked?

Looks like this could take some interesting twists and turns
101 posted on 03/26/2004 7:23:47 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Sabertooth
There's a big dog here that ain't barking. How can a senator get shot and not get any news coverage?
102 posted on 03/26/2004 7:27:20 AM PST by js1138
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To: Sabertooth
Another great find.
103 posted on 03/26/2004 7:27:23 AM PST by petitfour
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To: GeronL; Sabertooth; Hon; ALOHA RONNIE; backhoe; seamole; Ernest_at_the_Beach; PhilDragoo
GeronL, thanks posting this interesting little document:

"Legislative Proposals Relating to the War in Southeast Asia. Hearings of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, April 20 to May 27, 1971. vii + 726 + xii pp. The witnesses included John Kerry of VVAW (pp. 180-210), David M. Shoup, W. Averell Harriman, Gerald C. Hickey, Robert Shaplen, and Don Luce.
Y 4.F 76/2:As 4/13"


http://people.clemson.edu/~eemoise/limits.html


104 posted on 03/26/2004 7:28:24 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Krazy Kaddaffi: "I will do whatever the Americans want. I saw what happened in Iraq. I was scared!)
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To: js1138
"There's a big dog here that ain't barking. How can a senator get shot and not get any news coverage?"

Thanks for posting this.

Since Saber posted the first thread re the shooting of the senator, I have asked myself where was I at that time.

At that time of our life, my wife and I were news junkies and watched the evening tv news nightly. Neither of us remembered this event.
105 posted on 03/26/2004 7:39:05 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Krazy Kaddaffi: "I will do whatever the Americans want. I saw what happened in Iraq. I was scared!)
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To: Grampa Dave
At that time of our life, my wife and I were news junkies and watched the evening tv news nightly. Neither of us remembered this event.

It was a busy news cycle. The Vietnam War "ended" three days earlier, the Watergate hearings were picking up major steam, and the Miami Dolphis had just won the Super Bowl after going 17-0. Plus, if you were in CA at the time, Santa Cruz had two high profile serial killers in action, with bodies turning up almost every weekend.

I don't even remember the Tyrone Marshall trial, Watergate was so dominant that Summer. That was also the year of Secretariat.


106 posted on 03/26/2004 7:50:27 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Sabertooth
Who sent the gun men to Tom Delays' office?
107 posted on 03/26/2004 7:52:28 AM PST by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: Sabertooth
It was a busy news cycle.

That can happen. In 1968 my college town had a gas explosion that completeleveled a city block, killing 80 people. It was the biggest U.S. disaster of 1968, but never made national news.

It happened a couple days after the Martin Luther King assassination.

So this should be a lesson to all political assassins: wait for an overloaded news cycle.

108 posted on 03/26/2004 7:56:51 AM PST by js1138
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To: Sabertooth
"It was a busy news cycle. The Vietnam War "ended" three days earlier, the Watergate hearings were picking up major steam, and the Miami Dolphis had just won the Super Bowl after going 17-0. Plus, if you were in CA at the time, Santa Cruz had two high profile serial killers in action, with bodies turning up almost every weekend."

You are are totally correct in the above. Watergate was getting very big, and we live in N. Cali at that time.

My wife has a great memory about these things, and I asked about the shooting of the senator last night. She could not recall it even after I brought it up.
109 posted on 03/26/2004 8:05:25 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Krazy Kaddaffi: "I will do whatever the Americans want. I saw what happened in Iraq. I was scared!)
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To: Sabertooth
Looks like I found something from the FBI on the Stennis shooter, on a site about the FBI files on L Ron Hubbard and Scientology, of all places:

In an earlier post I mentioned that the Manson Family, which tried to assassinate President Ford shortly before the Symbionese Liberation Army did, derived from a spinoff of Scientology; here are some details on that and on SLA/Family ties to the Ford assassination attempt:

Some books critical of Scientology and Dianetics / Scientology Booklist

L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman? Corydon, Bent, and L. Ron Hubbard Jr. aka Ronald DeWolf. Lyle Stuart, Secaucus, NewJersey. 1987. ISBN: 081-840-4442. Revised, Updated and Expanded Edition (tradepaperback.) Corydon, Bent. Barricade Books, Fort Lee, New Jersey. 1992. ISBN:094-263-7577. (Note: L. Ron Hubbard Jr.'s name was taken off this edition for legalreasons.) A new 1996 edition includes an index; Brian Ambry organized and wrote theupdate and addendum sections for this new edition and the 1992 edition. ISBN for the 1996 edition: 156-980-009X. (This large book on Scientology is fairlydisorganized but it remains a vital source of first-hand testimony from ex-Scientologists about life aboard Hubbard's ship, the Apollo, and many alarming accounts of illegal and criminal activities within Scientology. Includes 21 photos,mostly of Hubbard, and two illustrations that compare Scientology's cross to that of the infamous Aleister Crowley. The two later editions are significantlydifferent from the original hardcover with several new added chapters and somerevisions to existing chapters.)

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/misc/Factnet/CORYDON.TXT

Piece of Blue Sky, a - Scientology, Dianetics, and L. Ron Hubbard Exposed. Atack, Jon. Carol Publishing Group, New York. 1990. ISBN: 081-840-499X hardback (c) 1990 Jon Atack. Available in the UK by calling 01342 316129, or 0044 1342 316129 in the rest of Europe. (This is widely hailed as the best book on the subject of Scientology. Jon rolls up his sleeves and attacks the cult with impeccable referencing and the fullweight of documentation from the world's largest Scientology archive. On top ofthat, the book is captivating, absorbing, and very well-written.)

http://members.chello.nl/mgormez/books/a_piece_of_blue_sky/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D081840499X/001-3290441-1724818

Netherlands

http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/CoS/APieceOfBlueSky/index.html

A Piece of Blue Sky - Part 3, Chapter 7:

The usual trickle of defecting members who set up their own Scientological groups continued through the 1960s. A splinter group called Compulsions Analysis came into being in London, in 1964, under the direction of a couple named Robert and Mary Ann Moor, who called themselves the "De Grimstons." They later renamed their organization "The Process," and later yet, "The Church of the Final Judgment." Mass murderer Charles Manson was an enthusiastic supporter both of The Process, and of Scientology. Author Maury Terry is convinced that David Berkowitz, the "Son of Sam" killer, was also involved with The Process.

The Process Church of the Final Judgement - FT134

In 1963, two people met at the L Ron Hubbard Institute of Scientology on Fitzroy Street, London. They were both studying to be ‘auditors’. Based on his earlier system of Dianetics, ‘auditing’ was Hubbard’s method of discovering and eliminating ‘engrams,’ the psychic residue from past traumas. The aim of auditing was to become ‘clear,’ to wipe the psychic slate clean and become, in effect, a kind of superman, no longer enthralled to neurotic fears and hang-ups.

Robert DeGrimston Moore (left) and Mary Ann McClean were both fascinated by auditing and soon grew proficient. Although they came from considerably different backgrounds, both were enthusiastic Scientologists.

[SNIP]

In June, 1966, the DeGrimstons and a group of about 30 ‘Processeans’ – as they called themselves – left for Nassau. They were accompanied by the six Alsatian dogs the DeGrimstons had recently acquired – another suggestion from the divine powers. (Further suggestions included an $80,000 yacht and first class journeys to Turkey and Asia for the DeGrimstons.)

[SNIP]

By 1968 the cult had spread to the States, establishing churches in New York, Boston, New Orleans, Los Angeles and San Francisco. They also canvased Europe; in Germany they sent representatives to the neo-Nazi NPD.

Always in search of intensity, Nazi chic attracted them. In Haight-Ashbury they visited the offices of the San Francisco Oracle, hoping to bring the underground newspaper over to the cause. The Oracle was too busy hyping the coming Age of Aquarius to give Satan much time. They paid a visit to the Black Pope, Anton LaVey, head of the Church of Satan, but he had no use for them either.

They set up a church at 407 Cole Street. Their neighbour at 636 Cole was someone who would cause them a lot of grief in a year or so. His name was Charles Manson, soon to become the head of the Family responsible for the gruesome Tate-Labianca murders in August of 1969.

[SNIP]

Sanders claimed that the Process more or less taught Charlie everything he knew. Sanders made connections. Both Charlie and the DeGrimstons were into Scientology. In 1968 Charlie sent Family member Bruce Davis to visit Process headquarters in London; while there Davis, too, had a brief stint with Scientology. Two Processeans visited Manson in jail; Manson later contributed a stream-of-unconsciousness rant for the Process "Death" issue, calling death "total awareness, closing the circle, bringing the soul to now." DeGrimston wrote of Satan and Christ coming together; to those in the know, that was just another name for Charlie.

The Process was keen on the Nazis. Manson carved a swastika in his forehead that bore a resemblance to the Process insignia.

[SNIP]

In 1968, the House of Commons enacted policy to restrict the growth of Scientology. The Process was hit by this when American recruits weren’t allowed into England, immigration officials figuring that one cult is as bad as another. DeGrimston sent his flock to the continent.

Possible Manson Connection to Zodiac

Possible Manson Connection to Zodiac Note from CharlieManson.com: The following article doesn't mention it, but William Mentzer was a major character in the book "The Ultimate Evil." Mentzer supposedly knew Charles Manson around 1969 (probably through Mama Cass Elliot). He was also referred to as "Manson II" in the same book. He was also the subject of the book "Bad Company."

Somewhat related, Howard Davis has long contended there was a connection in his book "The Zodiac/Manson Connection." He fingered Bruce Davis as the Zodiac killer, though.

This Man Could Be Frisco's Fiendish Zodiac Killer

By Jamie Schram

Monday, September 29, 2003

New York Post

The notorious San Francisco Zodiac Killer, who mysteriously dropped out of sight almost 30 years ago after a bloody reign of terror that left five dead, may have been "hiding" in plain sight - locked away in prison for two unrelated murders.

A Post investigation unearthed "compelling" links between 54-year-old killer William Mentzer - who's serving life without the possibility of parole - and the police profile of the Zodiac Killer, the San Francisco District Attorney's Office says.

[SNIP]

The Post discovered two dozen links between Mentzer, who is from Los Angeles, and the Zodiac Killer.

[SNIP]

Mentzer is serving a life sentence for the savage L.A. murders of New York theatrical producer Roy Radin in 1983 and of prostitute June Mincher in 1984.

Ed Sanders, The Family, 1990 edition, Chapter 27, p. 462

In October [1979] there appeared a widely noted newspaper article by long-time Manson family chronicler Mary Neiswender about a possible alliance between the M group and the Symbionese Liberation Army to raise money for an escape from prison. Neiswender quoted Sacramento police detectives as estimating that Manson family members and SLA associates in jail had accumulated about $1.5 million over the last two years with a sophisticated credit-card scam in California, Oregon, Nevada and Arizona.

Squeaky and Sara Jane From Newsweek, November 8, 1976

On Sept. 5, 1975, one of cult murderer Charles Manson's female disciples aimed a .45-caliber pistol at President Ford outside the Statehouse in Sacramento, Calif., and pulled the trigger. Fortunately, though there were four bullets in the clip, the firing chamber was empty. Secret Service men pounced on Lynette (Squeaky) Fromme. But barely two weeks later, on another Presidential visits to California, another woman—a quasi-radical bookkeeper who had once served as an FBI informant—also waited in ambush with a concealed handgun. As Ford strode from a San Francisco hotel to his waiting limousine, Sara Jane Moore fired a single wild shot before being disarmed and seized.

ABCNEWS.com : PrimeTime: Who is Sara Jane Olson? Transcript

Sara Jane Olson finds herself in a kind of time warp these days, defending her actions a quarter century ago when she had a different name, Kathleen Soliah, and the world was different, too. . .It was middle America’s worst nightmare. . .It was back in the early ’70s in the San Francisco Bay area when small bands of urban guerrillas engaged in terrorism. None was more notorious than the Symbionese Liberation Army, the SLA. . .And Kathleen Soliah would find herself caught up in the turmoil. At Berkeley, where she studied acting, Soliah says she developed a close friendship with Angela Atwood, and through her met others who would later form the SLA.

110 posted on 03/26/2004 10:17:49 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
Just realized my last post was assuming everyone here is aware of the VVAW-SLA connection from the other thread; I guess I'd better reference that for anyone who might be wondering what I was getting at with the SLA references in my last post:

Joseph Remiro - From VVAW member to 1973 SLA Assassin

111 posted on 03/26/2004 11:00:09 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Sabertooth
Duly noted for future reference. Count me in the list, Sabertooth...
112 posted on 03/26/2004 11:02:59 AM PST by dandelion
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To: helmut113; yodi-lee; GeorgeW23225; GottaLuvAkitas1
Pinging you guys. There's a lot of stuff to wade through on this thread but it's verrrrry interesting.
113 posted on 03/26/2004 4:50:22 PM PST by Flora McDonald (Stand the Storm!)
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To: Sabertooth
bttt
114 posted on 03/26/2004 4:51:49 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Sabertooth
Three black men? I thought from earlier stories on this that it was only two. I was telling hubby about it and he postulated that maybe the third was a driver of a getaway vehicle. However, the info on this is so sketchy. . .
115 posted on 03/26/2004 4:56:42 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Sabertooth; All
I have a correction to make to my Post #110. The last item linked in that post was about Sara Jane Olson aka Kathleen Soliah; I actually made the cut-and-paste equivalent of a typo there, as I actually meant to post a link on Sara Jane Moore (named correctly in the item above that one), who was a different associate of the SLA with a similar name:

America's Al-Qaeda: The SLA-Venceremos Connection

Even Sara Jane Moore, serving a life sentence for the attempted assassination of President Gerald Ford, puts on a Charlie Manson crazy act when questioned about the SLA.

[SNIP]

One of the murkier episodes in the SLA/Venceremos history was the murder of Wilbert "Popeye" Jackson, a low-rent crook and police informant who was publicly denounced by Sara Jane Moore. Moore later became famous for the attempted assassination of Gerald Ford.

Before the botched hit on Ford, Moore had been an FBI informant until she told Venceremos members that what she had been up to and they rejected her. The FBI rejected her too, because she had grown too close to the radicals.

"Popeye" Jackson had been enlisted by Randolph Hearst to seek contacts with the SLA underground after the horrific LAPD/SLA shoot-out that killed about half of the SLA. Hearst rightly judged at that point the FBI did not care if they killed his daughter. Jackson was connected with the United Prisoners Union (UPU) and was a police informant.

Much fuss has been made of identifying police informants; in the seventies, being identified as such could easily lead to assassination, as Popeye Jackson would discover, to his shock. But too much can be made of the label "snitch" - any convict is a potential informant if the possibility of parole is offered by prosecutors. As Max Crawford's The Bad Communist makes clear, being a police informant, as long as you were honest about it, did not necessarily mean that Venceremos would stop talking to you. They got a lot of good information from "snitches". So the "snitches" and the "revolutionaries" were one force.

According to what I've read, Sara Jane Moore was 1) in attendance at the SLA rally in Berkeley where Kathleen Soliah spoke in favor of the SLA, and so was Popeye Jackson and Emily Harris; 2) Moore befriended Popeye Jackson and they both worked for Hearst's "People In Need" Foundation food giveaway; 3) Kathleen Soliah took the name Sara Jane Olson shortly after Sara Jane Moore's attempt on the life of President Ford; 4) Moore was the bookkeeper for People in Need; 5) Moore had a falling out with Popeye Jackson, denounced him in a letter to various movement people, and several days later, Jackson was shot dead along with his police control agent while they sat in a car in the Mission District of San Francisco.

One interesting thing about my typo is that in looking up links to post this correction, I've learned one investigator has argued there were links between the two Sara Janes:

Sarah Jane, My *ss!

Four days after the September 1975 San Francisco bust effectively crushed the Symbionese Liberation Army, Sara Jane Moore, a middle-aged doctor’s wife, who vacillated between being an FBI informant and a radical groupie, attempted to assassinate President Gerald Ford on the steps of the St. Francis Hotel. For those who had flirted with political violence and assassination, the President represented the ultimate target.

Since June 21, 1999 – five days after the FBI surrounded Ms. Soliah-Olson’s minivan, ending over 23 years on the lam – I’ve argued that Kathleen, desperate for a new name, took "Sara Jane" because of it’s radical significance. As Bill "Teko" Harris noted in the first SLA communique following the catastrophic May 17, 1974, shootout in L.A. that left six comrades dead, "We have taken many different meaningful names." Patricia Hearst's given nom de guerre, Tania, was that of a German-Argentine communist who had died with Che Guevera in Bolivia in 1967. In the week that Soliah-Olson fled, the most famous "propagandist of the deed" was Sara Jane Moore -- without the "h."

The link between Soliah-Olson and Moore is far more substantive than this one-time temporal and spatial coincidence. Their paths crisscrossed repeatedly in the wake of the Hearst kidnapping. Their's were paths of violence. And intertwined into their two stories is the story of the New World Liberation Front which gives us a different, and perhaps better, paradigm for understanding Kathleen Soliah than does the SLA/Patty Hearst angle.

I hope to put to rest, once and for all, the myth that Ms. Soliah was just some marginal activist in the early '70s who happened to show a little compassion to three surviving members of the SLA. Whether the material's sufficent to convict her, I'll leave to the jury. But that it demonstrates that she was at the center of Bay Area radical violence and at least proximate to would-be presidential assassin, Sara Jane Moore, is beyond dispute. A good journalist would have mined that history and used it when questioning Soliah.

116 posted on 03/26/2004 9:38:18 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Sabertooth
BUMP
117 posted on 03/27/2004 1:50:23 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: js1138
There's a big dog here that ain't barking. How can a senator get shot and not get any news coverage?

Well, one way of keeping a watchdog from barking is to poison the watchdog.

The usual holy trinity for a criminalist is to determine means, motive and opportunity. And for a start in determining that second one, you have to ask qui bono- who benefits.


118 posted on 03/29/2004 5:18:47 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: #3Fan
How does this prove Kerry's culpability? Two black men rob a Senator and Kerry is somehow involved? Why would an assassination group send two amateurs when they have expert marksman available?
119 posted on 03/29/2004 7:26:55 AM PST by GigaDittos (Malaysian jew-haters for Kerry, oh what a surprise!)
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To: Sabertooth
save.
120 posted on 03/29/2004 8:39:09 AM PST by Barset
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