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John Kerry & John O'Neill, Dick Cavett Show Debate from 1971 on C-SPAN Now [LIVE THREAD]

Posted on 03/28/2004 3:45:24 PM PST by Stultis

Started 6:30 EST, Interviewing Dick Cavett, now John O'Niell, by phone. Show will start soon.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1971; cavett; cavettkerry; dickcavett; johnkerry; johnoneill; kerrycavett; vvaw
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To: Aquinasfan
Actually he may not have said "hypocrisy," or maybe that was another place (both debtors repeated themselves a good bit), but here's either that statement, or a similar one, as I transcribed it in msg #277:
The bigger issue at hand is the question, literally, of how the United States is going to get out of Vietnam now. And I have said again and again this evening that we can set a date, that we can bring the prisoners home.

But the point is I think this administration is still seeking some kind of victory. It is still committed to the idea, totally, of a non-communist regime [in South Vietnam], and I think that is unrealistic in terms of the political forces that are in play in South Vietnam, in fact in all of South East Asia. And we have learned, if we haven't learned anything by now, that we simply cannot impose a settlement ourselves.

I just don't understand how they believe, or how this other group believes, that the Vietnamese are going to succeed in doing with 50,000 Americans what they haven't been able to do with 500,000 Americans. I'd like that explained.

Remember, in 1971, candidate Kerry thought it was "unrealistic" for America to be "seeking some kind of victory" over communism in SE Asia. IOW he didn't just think we should abandon the notion of total victory, but any kind of victory, even a negotiated one.

Today Kerry, and his supporters, insist that his quest to deny America, and South Vietnam, "some kind of victory" was noble and idealistic.

This is the man who wants to be President.

321 posted on 03/29/2004 3:12:34 PM PST by Stultis
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To: sauropod
He licks his lips a lot.

may be mistaken but I believe that is a symtom of addictions to certain drugs.

322 posted on 03/29/2004 3:18:26 PM PST by mware
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To: abner
Is this the John O'Neill who died in the towers on 911???
323 posted on 03/29/2004 3:19:59 PM PST by mware
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To: sauropod
He licks his lips a lot

Hmm. Dry mouth. Sign of marijuana usage. has anyone asked Kerry if he's ever done drugs???
324 posted on 03/29/2004 4:46:18 PM PST by uncitizen
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To: uncitizen
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Drugs.htm

At the "Rock the Vote" debate, the moderator inevitably asked,. "Which of you are ready to admit to having used marijuana in the past?"

"Yes," said John Kerry, leading off. "Yes," said John Edwards. "Yes," said Howard Dean. None of these three baby-boomer candidates said anything beyond their short, declarative affirmations. None followed with a hurried explanation that it was just a few times, that it was some kind of "youthful indiscretion," or that he didn't inhale. The implication of their answers seemed to be, "Yeah, so what?"

In fact, the defensive answers tended to come from those replying in the negative. "No," said Dennis Kucinich. "But I think it ought to be decriminalized."

"I grew up in the church," said Al Sharpton. "We didn't believe in that."

"I have a reputation for giving unpopular answers," said Joe Lieberman. "I never used marijuana. Sorry!"

In the next day's news coverage, the admissions of marijuana smoking were largely ignored.

Source: Steven Holmes, NY Times Nov 9, 2003

325 posted on 03/29/2004 4:58:46 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Very interesting. Another formally important issue is reduced to nothing thanks to Clinton.
326 posted on 03/29/2004 5:00:45 PM PST by uncitizen
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To: Stultis
Remember, in 1971, candidate Kerry thought it was "unrealistic" for America to be "seeking some kind of victory" over communism in SE Asia.

I'm sure the people of Cambodia thank him.

I'm old enough to remember people scoffing at the "Domino Theory." You don't hear about it much any more. I wonder if it's been written out of school history textbooks.

327 posted on 03/29/2004 5:05:48 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
The "Domino Theory" was a poor way of looking at the issue, IMHO. Better would have been a "Cross This Line, Commie, And You're In A World Of Hurt" theory.

With Vietnam we picked the wrong place to draw the line. Or rather Kennedy did. Eisenhower shared his view, just before leaving office, that Laos was the key to defending Indochina.

The Vietnamese have hassled the Laotians for hundreds of years and there is no love lost between them. The North Vietnamese would never have been able to run a crippling insurgency in Laos like they did in South Vietnam, and with Laos and Cambodia closed to them the South Vietnamese (and/or U.S. forces) could have easily secured the narrow border between North and South Vietnam, isolating insurgent forces in South Vietnam from their source of supply.

IOW, Kennedy blundered from the very start by not defending Laos, and again after that by not effectively challenging international acquiescence to North Vietnamese occupation of Laos and Cambodia.

It was a nearly impossible situation, with the North Vietnamese able to supply insurgents or insert forces into South Vietnam from bases along South Vietnam's entire Western border. Yet -- once a Republican became Commander In Chief -- South Vietnam was very nearly secured, until a 'Rat congress sabotaged the peace.

The hard fact is, after Kennedy's strategic screwup, we should have written off South Vietnam and drawn a firm and defensible line further West in Indochina. Either that or we should have invaded Cambodia and Laos openly and crushed the North Vietnamese there. The later course was dicey because it would have meant a huge diplomatic brouhaha, and risked warming up the cold war dangerously. But we shoulda done it if we were serious, and meant to be taken seriously by the Soviets. It was a case of defecate or get off the commode.

Again, the fact the Nixon was able to nearly succeed with the hand he was given to play (and he probably would have succeeded except for the traitorous 'Rats) is nearly miraculous.

Just MHO. (No, I wasn't there. Born in '61.)

328 posted on 03/29/2004 7:36:24 PM PST by Stultis
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To: cyncooper; nutmeg; Dog; backhoe; NormsRevenge; NativeNewYorker; dixie sass; YaYa123; All
Thanks for the rest of the story about Cam Kerry's arrest for break in during first Kerry Congressional campaign.

More here about JFKerry's brother Cameron's law firm:

http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/report.aspx?aid=4

"Kerry carries water for top donor"

329 posted on 03/29/2004 8:44:54 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: Stultis
How can I get the script for the show. My husband (VN vet-a Medic) is still talking about it. How can I buy the video of the show! or see the show again?
330 posted on 03/30/2004 8:17:39 AM PST by NannaLuvs (My Generation of Heroes)
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To: Stultis
"O'Neill was very well prepared."

O'Neill was given a pep talk by Pres. Nixon before the Cavett show. Haldeman credited Colson with O'Neill's effective appearance on the show. It's interesting that references to O'Neill were in the Nixon tapes. That doesn't undermine O'Neill's credibility in my eyes, BTW.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1098377/posts

331 posted on 03/30/2004 10:24:19 AM PST by ntnychik
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To: cyncooper
I bet it was Scott Camil. I can't imagine Kerry having that many friends in Florida. Camil's supposed to be in Kerry's current campaign. I saw that Stennis was shot and Cokie Roberts dad was in a plane crash.

Did you catch Kerry talking about PETER ARNETT? I wonder how well Kerry and Arnett know each other. Arnett's another traitor - always shilling for our enemies.

332 posted on 03/30/2004 10:29:28 AM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org/ Invite to my Site)
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To: petitfour
John O' Neil who died in WTC was an FBI agent who believed that Iraq was involved in terrorism. Possibility exists that Richard Clarke fired him for his beliefs about Iraq, so he went into security at WTC.
333 posted on 03/30/2004 10:31:24 AM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org/ Invite to my Site)
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To: ntnychik
CSPN Kerry-O'Neill Cavett Show 1971
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106841/posts?q=1&&page=101
334 posted on 03/30/2004 10:36:40 AM PST by ntnychik
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To: NannaLuvs
How can I get the script for the show.

I dunno. I googled for a transcript, but coulnd't find one on the net.

My husband (VN vet-a Medic) is still talking about it. How can I buy the video of the show! or see the show again?

Usually C-SPAN sells videos, and also has streaming video of recent shows on their website. This, however, does not appear to be available for streaming, which has me wondering if it would also (not) be available for purchase. Possibly C-SPAN does not have the rights to distribute it. You can keep your eye open for a repeat on C-SPAN's website.

O.K. Just found the record for the show here. That line where it has the show ID number would normally have a price at the end for the video tape, but instead says "NS". I presume this means "not for sale".

335 posted on 03/30/2004 7:49:20 PM PST by Stultis
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To: NannaLuvs
How can I get the script for the show.

I dunno. I googled for a transcript, but coulnd't find one on the net.

My husband (VN vet-a Medic) is still talking about it. How can I buy the video of the show! or see the show again?

Usually C-SPAN sells videos, and also has streaming video of recent shows on their website. This, however, does not appear to be available for streaming, which has me wondering if it would also (not) be available for purchase. Possibly C-SPAN does not have the rights to distribute it. You can keep your eye open for a repeat on C-SPAN's website.

O.K. Just found the record for the show here. That line where it has the show ID number would normally have a price at the end for the video tape, but instead says "NS". I presume this means "not for sale".

336 posted on 03/30/2004 7:50:14 PM PST by Stultis
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To: BlueNgold
Does anyone know what ever happened to this John O'Neill?

Here's an article today about him:

An old Kerry foe, Houston lawyer back in spotlight

337 posted on 03/31/2004 7:43:59 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: petitfour
JOHN O'NEILL IS A LAWYER AND LIVES IN HOUSTON. I HOPE THE MEDIA INTERVIEW HIM AND THE PROGRAM IS BROADCASTED IN FOX NEWS. VERY FEW PEOPLE SAW IT ON CSPAN AND IT WAS REMARKABLE HOW O'NEILL EXPOSED KERRY'S LIES.
338 posted on 04/02/2004 12:56:54 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: NannaLuvs
How can I get the script for the show.

A transcript is now posted here.

340 posted on 05/10/2004 10:16:37 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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