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The Moderation of American Muslims ^ | 4/08/04 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 04/08/2004 4:58:14 AM PDT by kattracks

A Detroit-area Islamic organization, the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, released a survey of Detroit Muslims, A Portrait of Detroit Mosques: Muslim Views on Policy, Politics and Religion, on April 6, 2004. Written by Ihsan Bagby, associate professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky, and conducted in mid-2003, the survey’s key thesis, according to the sponsoring organization itself, is that “The vast majority of Muslim Americans hold ‘moderate’ views on issues of policy, politics and religion.” Bagby also emphasized this point in a newspaper interview: the results, he said, show that “the mosque community is not a place of radicalism.”

Bagby’s study received fair media coverage and some headlines dutifully reflected the official line:

·        Detroit Free Press: “Muslims' goals: Be active, be moderate.”

·        Detroit News: “Metro Muslims eschew radicalism: Study shows most hold moderate views, want to integrate.”

·        Scripps Howard News Service: “Survey Finds Muslims are Moderates.”

In addition, before the study’s release, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the leading militant Islamic organization in the United States, trumpeted the results on its website; and its spokesman, Ibrahim Hooper, lost no time exploiting the alleged results of Bagby’s study. One article describes him pointing “to a new survey of the views of mosque leaders and congregants in Detroit … as an example of the fundamental moderation of U.S. Muslims.”

But do the survey results actually say this? Emphatically not; Bagby’s results indicate anything but moderation, as some specific numbers suggest:

·        By a ratio of 67 to 33, Muslims in the United States think “America is immoral.”

·        About (the graph does not allow complete precision) 90 percent of Muslims favor universal health care.

·        Fully 79 percent favor affirmative action for minorities.

·        Asked about the job being done as president by George W. Bush, 85 percent of Muslims disapprove and a mere 4 percent approve.

Comments: (1) As in the case of Manifestations of Antisemitism in the EU 2002-2003, a report released a week earlier in Europe (and which I covered in an update to my article “Locus of Euro-hate”), we have here a case of survey research being distorted by its sponsors to hide the actual results. This is intellectual fraud and political deception. 

(2) There is plenty of reason to doubt the results of this survey, whose methodology on the face of it appears highly unscientific. We are told that questionnaires were distributed at twelve mosques in metropolitan Detroit for anyone to pick up and fill out; and a vague “almost 1300 mosque participants” filled out the questionnaires during the misty period of “summer 2003.” Some of the answers, in particular the 81 percent of respondents endorsing the application of Shari‘a (Islamic law) in Muslim-majority lands, suggest that the views of mosque-goers significantly differ from the Muslim population as a whole. So, the news about Muslim opinion may not be as non-moderate as Bagby’s evidence suggests.

(3) That said, abundant evidence exists to indicate that the views of Muslims living in the United States differ from those of the American population as a whole, some of it provided by CAIR itself. Other data is anecdotal or derives from survey research. In other words, Bagby’s study of Detroit Muslims confirms an established pattern of survey research discerning estranged and radical political views among American Muslims. It would be reassuring on many levels were this not the case. But a problem does exists and wishing it away does not address it. It does need to be addressed.

Daniel Pipes ( is director of the Philadelphia-based Middle East Forum.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: danielpipes; jihadinamerica; muslims

1 posted on 04/08/2004 4:58:15 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Muslim Tolerance:

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam

Egypt -Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.
2 posted on 04/08/2004 5:15:20 AM PDT by 2banana
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3 posted on 04/08/2004 5:16:49 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: kattracks
Fully 79 percent favor affirmative action for minorities.

I don't think Middle Easterners qualify as minorities in affirmative action terms, so perhaps the muslims in question are American converts of color? A different sort of constituency entirely...

4 posted on 04/08/2004 5:18:43 AM PDT by prion
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To: kattracks
There are some interesting ethnic polls here:

5 posted on 04/08/2004 5:26:13 AM PDT by angkor
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To: kattracks
Bull. Where are the condemnations by "moderate" U.S. Muslims of worldwide Islamic terror and murder?
6 posted on 04/08/2004 5:50:00 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: kattracks
"good" muslims do not recognize nationalities or citizenship, their only allegiance is to islam. Islamic law violates the Constitution of the United States. Islam and Democracy cannot coexist. As such it is a seditious, enemy ideology.
8 posted on 04/08/2004 6:17:58 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: pabianice
Where are the condemnations by "moderate" U.S. Muslims of worldwide Islamic terror and murder?
Not then. Not now. Not ever.
9 posted on 04/08/2004 6:23:40 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: kattracks
Daniel Pipes is good! However, he is like a 'voice crying in the wilderness'. Official ignorance!
10 posted on 04/08/2004 6:26:42 AM PDT by hardhead (WARNING: muslims are inside the Trojan horse!)
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To: rageaholic; Ah Beng
their only allegiance is to islam.

Which translates to " the destruction of all infidels" and world dominaion.

11 posted on 04/08/2004 6:32:00 AM PDT by chadsworth (AND THE DEMOCRATS -oops,can't say that, this isn't an HBO thread- Kerry for Anti-President)
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To: kattracks
The problem is this:

Yes, a "majority" of Moslems are not true radicals, ready to kill, or to aid killers.

But a large minorty are. Possibly 20% or more.

Contrast that with the number of neo-Nazi radical "Christian Identity" followers, which are a fraction of a percent of Christians, and completely unrelated to any mainstream Christian teaching.

Which means there are 100X or more Moslems that are as bad as neo-Nazi thugs. 100X more people to draw on for acts of terror. And most of the rest would look the other way.

Islam is the problem. We must end Islam.
12 posted on 04/08/2004 6:38:44 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: kattracks
"Moderate Islam" is the "Trojan Horse" of the 'real deal'...

'By their deeds you will know them'

CAIR is one of many such 'moderate' proclaiming Islamic groups...they are anything but...

They are the conquering army's advanced guard...and friends/co-conspirators of America's Marxist fifth columnists

13 posted on 04/08/2004 6:41:55 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Yehuda
Yeah, the Chinese numbers are consistently wierd, but if you go back a bit to some of the polls of 2001-2003, you'll see that the Arab numbers are even more off-kilter. Consistently.

They hate America (even though they live here).

In contrast, observe the Vietnamese and Phillipino numbers, consistently and right up until today. Pro-American 90 percent, even more so than non-"ethinc" Americans.

14 posted on 04/08/2004 4:35:11 PM PDT by angkor
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