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It's religion gone mad
Toronto Sun ^ | April 17, 2004 | Michael Coren

Posted on 04/17/2004 5:17:31 AM PDT by Clive

HOW DOES one discuss the state of the Islamic faith, the Middle East, terrorism and the world without upsetting people? Frankly, it's almost impossible.

I'm not talking here of a fear of abuse and attack or of being accused of political incorrectness. I couldn't give a fig about that. No, I mean the need to hold on to common courtesy and avoiding making generalizations that could hurt good people.

Here are some recent examples, in that I have so little room to discuss this issue in full.

We used to be told by pop stars and other philosophers that "the Russians love their children too." It was self-evident then that all people loved their young. Now I'm not so sure. Do the Palestinians, for example, love their children too?

I should think most of them do.

But I have to be candid: many of them don't. We can't just rely on tired old relativism when we look at all this. Nobody who loves his or her child will send that little being out as a suicide bomber. Nobody who loves their children will line them up in front of tanks.

The natural instinct of a loving parent is to hide the children. Armed struggle and resistance I can understand, even if I do not approve. This, though, is something different. I've seen it myself. Mothers screaming for their tiny offspring to come out of the house, stand in front of Israeli patrols and throw stones at soldiers.

I take here no position on the causes of Israelis or Palestinians, but I do on the moral substance of a parent who would send children to fight the battles of adults.

Do not, please, tell me they have no option. There are legions of young Palestinian men willing to kill Israelis. It's just that children can sometimes be undetected. And are easily convinced of the delights of paradise in the world to come when, I quote, "Zionist skulls, blood and limbs fly against the walls."

British Muslim fundamentalists planned terror attacks and arrests were made in Ilford, England, my hometown. Boring Ilford may be, but nobody is oppressed there! Muslims who grew up with British democracy, free British health care, free British education and British tolerance have no reason to kill anyone, let alone those who gave them such privilege.

Remember, these people came to Britain, as they did to Canada, the United States and the rest of the free, Christian-based world to escape Islamic states and their harshness.

It is the pluralistic openness and decency of Europe and North America that has allowed so many Muslim immigrants. How ironic that a minority of those people hate that very pluralism and decency and want to slaughter women and children in the name of their god and their cause.

I opposed the war in Iraq, but I cannot remain silent when people kill contract workers, then disembowel and hang them from wires in the street. While children dance.

And, no, these murderers are not refugees from pain but the favoured sons of Saddam. Their fight is to restore fascism, not liberate their nation. Even if it was, nothing justifies such sadism.

German bomber pilots, their planes shot down, would parachute into London after destroying entire towns and killing thousands of people. Almost without exception they were treated properly, as prisoners of war.

It's not about colonization, globalization, Zionism, American dominance or any other cliches. The Muslims themselves are colonizers, having pushed most Christians out of the Middle and near East, once the cradle of the Christian world.

The Ottoman Turks, Muslims all, colonized the region for centuries. Arabs colonized Persians, Assyrians, Kurds and others. The Saudis, sponsors of so much terror, are nobody's victims. They are wealthy beyond belief, and deprive women and minorities of most basic civil rights.

This is something deeper, darker, than an imagined fight against a foreign foe. There is a virus at work. For the sake of the good, law-abiding Muslims of the world -- the majority -- we cannot pretend any longer it's about anything other than what it is: a religion gone mad and gone bad.

Stop the lies, they only make it worse.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: islam; radicalislam
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1 posted on 04/17/2004 5:17:32 AM PDT by Clive
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2 posted on 04/17/2004 5:17:56 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
Fa'kallah, deth'tislam.

End terrorism, kill terrorists.



3 posted on 04/17/2004 5:21:02 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: Clive
Reality is percieved.
4 posted on 04/17/2004 5:23:02 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Clive
The Muslims themselves are colonizers, having pushed most Christians out of the Middle and near East, once the cradle of the Christian world.


This is exactly what they are trying to achieve-Islamic domination and the rest of the free world has been sitting back allowing it to happen. This is what George W Bush is trying to prevent from happening but some people just won't get it until they are forced to pray 5 times a day and wear burkas.
5 posted on 04/17/2004 5:24:51 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: Clive
A huge Amen and Bump!
6 posted on 04/17/2004 5:27:31 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Clive
This is something deeper, darker, than an imagined fight against a foreign foe. ... a religion gone mad and gone bad.

I don't see that Islam has "gone" anywhere. It's doing what it's always done, and for the same reasons.

7 posted on 04/17/2004 5:30:14 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Clive
For the sake of the good, law-abiding Muslims of the world -- the majority --

Very debatable. To be a Muslem, you must accept the duty of spreading this religion till it alone exists. It is hard to see how a person can be a muslem and NOT applaud the goals, if not the means, of the terrorists, the slavers, the attackers of Mollucan villagers , the gang rapists in the EU and Australia...

we cannot pretend any longer it's about anything other than what it is: a religion gone mad and gone bad.

Agreed. I've loathed Islam since the 1980s, and it's been wonderful seeing more and more people who've come to feel the same way. It sounds absolutely horrible to say this , but....I wonder if future generations will give the credit for saving the west to Osama bin Laden? His timing was terrible! If he struck during the WJC regime, who knows what might have happened. And if he waited a few more years-say, 2010-there would have been more muslems infesting western Europe and North America-maybe enough to tie the hands of the governments, and prevent them from dealing with Islamic terrorism at all. As it is, he may have-MAY HAVE-given us enough advance warning as to the true intentions of muslem immigrants to the west. And possibly, we can prevent Islam from being the "future of the west", as those vile banners have proclaimed in cities throughout Europe .

8 posted on 04/17/2004 5:33:49 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: angkor
Exactly correct. Islam is the most recent of three related religions, yet it holds firm to the most archaic practices.
9 posted on 04/17/2004 5:34:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: Clive
Not only are the parents putting their children in harm's way, but the parents are getting paid BIG SAUDI OIL BUCKS for this.
10 posted on 04/17/2004 5:36:10 AM PDT by tkathy (nihilism: absolute destructiveness toward the world at large and oneself)
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To: Clive
Michael Coren has now said what cannot be said. And he's right.
11 posted on 04/17/2004 5:39:36 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building! Able to leap tall bullets in a single bound!)
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To: Clive
Oh,brother..He's really going to be called on the carpet for telling the truth.We may have to send bail money to get him out of the "hate speech",political correctness reeducation camp!
12 posted on 04/17/2004 5:43:48 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Clive
Pretty brave of Coren to publish this in Toronto where there are known Al Quaeda cells and many many muslims and their sympathizers.

May the truth set them free.

13 posted on 04/17/2004 5:43:52 AM PDT by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent---then Destroy)
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To: Clive
One can't solve a problem until the problem is detected and properly defined. Most world leaders refuse to acknowledge the real problem. Just going back five years most terrorist attacks have been conducted by radical Muslims. The war on terror should not be limited to al Qaeda and must be stated to include all terrorists.
14 posted on 04/17/2004 5:47:44 AM PDT by monocle
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To: eleni121
"May the truth set them free."

I'm starting to think that nuking the borg cube they worship in Mecca might be the answer.
15 posted on 04/17/2004 5:48:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: Clive
You realize of course that this thread is sooo... politically incorrect. Don't you?
16 posted on 04/17/2004 5:52:21 AM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: cripplecreek
I'm starting to think that nuking the borg cube they worship in Mecca might be the answer

Given the violence and horror Muslims are responsible for, that possibility has crossed the minds of many. America ended Japanese savagery by nuking them, why not these monsters who are many times worse. And I'm not sure how destroying the "cube" will affect the hordes.

17 posted on 04/17/2004 5:54:03 AM PDT by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent---then Destroy)
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To: Clive
Is it a coincidence that, in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union and, with it, the "bipolar" model of world political order, we now see the emergence of a new set of challenges based on even more obvious forms of self-hatred than was Communism? I am speaking here of islam, homosexuality, and militant environmentalism (ALF, Earth First, PETA).

That Islam is based on self-loathing is obvious to me, given the Palestinan attitude to their own children. They project their own opinion of themselves onto their children, whom they send out to die, all the while collecting money from people who hate them as much as they hate themselves.

(steely)

18 posted on 04/17/2004 5:56:23 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Clive
bump
19 posted on 04/17/2004 5:59:25 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Clive
I opposed the war in Iraq,

After reading his own article I wonder if he has changed his mind?

20 posted on 04/17/2004 6:02:11 AM PDT by Diva
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