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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; Inyokern; piasa; Mitchell; Allan; okie01; Fedora; Wolfstar
Isn't it true that the first WTC bombers added certain chemicals to their mix make their work a chemical bomb too - but that part failed?
12 posted on 04/17/2004 1:03:00 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
I've heard that before and I don't know how true it is.
15 posted on 04/17/2004 1:07:11 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Bad spellers of the world untie!!)
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To: Shermy
Isn't it true that the first WTC bombers added certain chemicals to their mix make their work a chemical bomb too - but that part failed?

Well, if they had, Clinton would have surely gone after them, right? According to Richard Clarke, Clinton made terrorism a top priority.

I am sure he would have sent Jamie Gorelick out there to personally find those chemical weapons.

18 posted on 04/17/2004 1:11:30 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: Shermy
Isn't it true that the first WTC bombers added certain chemicals to their mix make their work a chemical bomb too - but that part failed?

Yes--got a link on that somewhere as I was just reading about that a few days ago, I'm about to head out but I'll post it when I get back, if someone else hasn't done so by then.

28 posted on 04/17/2004 1:31:24 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Shermy
"Isn't it true that the first WTC bombers added certain chemicals to their mix make their work a chemical bomb too - but that part failed?"

Correct. The first WTC bomb included a significant amount of cyanide, I believe it was.

However, the heat of the explosion consumed the cyanide, rendering this feature harmless.

Surely, the terrorists were aware of this failure and had taken steps to correct it -- either a different chemical or some kind of dispersal system. It would be worth knowing what, exactly.

38 posted on 04/17/2004 1:48:57 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Shermy; okie01
Here's where I was reading about that the other day:

Solomon Bell, QUAGMIRE OF SPIN: SADDAM’S LINKS TO AL QAEDA

We know that Ramzi Yousef, the convicted bombmaker in the plot, was known by his fellow conspirators as “Rashid the Iraqi”. We know that the other known bombmaker, Abdul Rachman Yasin, was an Iraqi living in Baghdad just before the bombing and that he was harbored back in Iraq soon afterwards. We know that Yasin is an expert in a notorious Iraqi specialty—souping up the post-blast killing power of bombs by lacing them with hydrogen-cyanide gas—which is exactly what he did with the Trade Center bomb. Only a miscalculation in the force of the blast, which resulted in most of the gas being incinerated upon detonation, saved untold lives when smoke filled the tower.

I'm not sure of the reliability of that source as I'm not too familiar with the site, so here's a couple other references:

World Trade Center bombing

The bomb: Yousef's complex 600 kilogram bomb was made of urea pellets, nitroglycerin, sulfuric acid, aluminum azide, magnesium azide, and bottled hydrogen. He added sodium cyanide to the mix as the vapors could go through the ventilation shafts and elevators of the towers. The van that Yousef used had four 6 m (20 ft) long fuses, all covered in surgical tubing. Yousef calculated that the fuse would trigger the bomb in twelve minutes after he would use a cheap cigarette lighter to light the fuse. He wanted to prevent smoke from escaping the towers, therefore, catching the public eye by poisoning people inside. He foresaw Tower One collapsing onto Tower Two after the blast would occur.

Dave Williams, "The Bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City", International Criminal Police Review, No 469-471 (1998)

The main explosive charge consisted primarily of approximately 1,200 to 1,500 pounds of a home-made fertilizer-based explosive, urea nitrate. . .through toll records and receipts, a safe house or bomb factory was located on Pamrappo Avenue, in Jersey City. A search of this bomb factory revealed that acids and other chemicals had been used at that apartment to manufacture explosives. Traces of nitro-glycerine and urea nitrate were found on the carpet and embedded in the ceiling. It appeared that a chemical reaction involving acid had occurred in the apartment. At the same time, telephone toll records from Salameh and Ayyad showed that calls had been made to a self-storage center not too far from the bomb factory. . .During the search of the storage room rented by Salameh, many chemicals and items of laboratory equipment were located. Among the items seized was 300 pounds of urea, 250 pounds of sulfuric acid, numerous one-gallon containers, both empty and containing nitric acid and sodium cyanide, two 50-foot lengths of hobby fuse, a blue plastic trash can, and a bilge pump. While examining the trash can and bilge pump, a white crystalline substance was found. A chemical analysis identified urea nitrate. While inventorying the materials in the storage center, six 2-quart bottles of brown liquid were discovered. The liquid was identified as home-made nitro-glycerine, very unstable in the condition in which it was found.

BTW, while I was searching for that first link, I found this article I'd forgotten about:

Cyanide Salt Block Found in Iraq

45 posted on 04/17/2004 3:35:38 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Shermy
Yup.
55 posted on 04/17/2004 6:12:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Shermy
Isn't it true that the first WTC bombers added certain chemicals to their mix make their work a chemical bomb too - but that part failed?

Yes; theirs was a large bomb with cyanide as the secondary killer. But the heat of the bomb burned away the cyanide.

56 posted on 04/17/2004 6:13:36 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Shermy
Yes they mixed several pounds of cyanide in with the explosive charge which when detonated incinerated the poison instead of blasting it into tiny particles that is why it failed, if they had left the poison just in a container on the ground near the explosive device it would have turned the towers into giant gas chambers.
72 posted on 04/18/2004 11:38:02 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 REACH OUT & THUMP SOMEONE .50BMG REACH OUT & CRUSH SOMEONE!)
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To: Shermy
My understanding of this idea is as follows:

The FBI crime lab assumed from the start that the WTC-I bomb was ammonium nitrate-fuel oil. So when they found traces of C doubly and triply bonded to N, they assumed that the "ANFO" bomb had been laced with NaCN or KCN. Later when the bomb assembly place was found, they realized that the explosive was a mix of urea nitrate and nitrourea, H2NCONHNO2 and CH5N2O-NO3 and that explained the CN residues. Not ANFO at all, they jumped to conclusions.

They then had to backtrack and cover, and in the confusion many sources still cite the KCN story.

It would be nice if the investigators of the Jordan incident would state what the "chemical capable of killing 20,000" is, or what they think it is.
85 posted on 04/19/2004 8:18:51 AM PDT by DBrow
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