Meth abuse elevates HIV crisis for gays

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 04/17/04 | CAMERON McWHIRTER, JILL YOUNG MILLER

[TheSpottedOwl]

If I can expand on your point, when one is on drugs your reasoning abilities are not there. Homosexuality, was for the longest time, listed as a mental condition. Add something like Ecstasy, amyl nitrite, or any kind of stimulant, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Until these folks(I'm talking about anyone who does "speed") quit doing the drugs, they aren't able to control themselves.

[TheSpottedOwl]

I respect your point of view, however sometimes a person will do something once, and it will be their last act of choice. I could put that better, but it's hard to describe. I've seen some things over the years, and I can't explain why people choose to self destruct. In fact, I don't think it's a cognizant choice. We're living in strange times.

[Torie]

You advocated hastening their death with free meth, not cutting off subsidies. You are free to retract your statement, or just say you were being sarcastic.

[an amused spectator]

Sorry, we should charge for the Meth, what was I thinking?

That's gonna leave a mark, Mrs Mark!

Just thank Torie for the interest in your comments, and move on. :-)

[an amused spectator]

OK, Torie - you've proved that you're the Church Lady of this thread.

BTW - did you actually read the article, or just Mrs Mark's comment?

[doberville]

I do not find it either selfish OR nasty when someone advocates letting a subcultural group commit hara kari via its own self destructive behaviour.

This same self-destructive group has spent a fortune in money, time and effort trying to destroy the basics of Western culture: religion and the family unit. They find it neither selfish OR nasty to ruin young lives with their seductions; they care not that they are infecting others and affecting whole families.

So, I ask you, as the defender of those projecting their sins upon us: What is wrong with deviates facing the consequences of their own behaviour?

[Torie]

Ya, I read the article. The guy was in a very sad way.

[Torie]

I have made my points, and I think quick clearly. And by the way, no I don't favored subsidized flood insurance. Somebody mentioned that.

[Torie]

quick = quite

[TASMANIANRED]

Gay marriage, partners for life.

The myth of the monogomous gay man is just that a fairy tale. ( pun intended)

28% of Gays have >500 sexual partners in a life time.

I for one am sick to death of moral equavalence trying to normalize depraved behavior.

The only women that can rack up numbers like this is hookers , Straight men can't have a score card like this without being Hugh Hefner or a professional basket ball player.

[scripter]

Ping

[glaseatr]

Torie as someone who has to work in "Baghdad by the Bay" and have the ...hem.. Privilege of working with members of the FREAK community I have seen and heard enough that it makes me ill. To think that these people deserve anything less than scorn is a disservice to them.

[an amused spectator]

Ya, I read the article. The guy was in a very sad way.

Actually, there were several guys.

The article was a biased pity party for "the afflicted". I didn't like the tone of the article, nor the assumption of the writers that we taxpayers should just keep paying the tab for this insanity, as another poster pointed out.

I'll bet these "journalists" have got articles about tobacco use out wherein they beat smokers over the head for their "bad choices" and gleefully cheerlead confiscatory tobacco taxation.

I'm actually going to post that before I check, too.

[Guillermo]

I blame Reagan...er, I mean Bush. No, I mean Reagan.

[little jeremiah]

Not as nasty as what homosexuals do to each other and themselves.

And where does the self-righteous part come in?

Are you saying that anyone who considers promiscuous same sex sodomy to be unnatural and unhealthy and therefore should not be promoted to be self-righteous?

If that's your meaning, it's an odd one.

[Guillermo]

No, they were born that way. It's genetic.

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping - You Gotta Check This One Out Alert!

Just see where taxpayer money goes - what with clinics, safe sex education programs, detox programs, and therapy.

There's too much to comment on here.

Take it away!

It is sad, as one poster noted. But when people with SSAD (Same Sex Attraction Disorder) are encouraged to not only continue with their unnatural behavior, but "questioning" youth are ENCOURAGED to "try it", my sympathy for their disease ridden and drug influenced suffering ends, and my outrage at their predation grows.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this ping list.

[AntiGuv]

And where does the self-righteous part come in?

It comes in when people ignore the genuine questions raised by this article (how did things go so hideously awry with a 16 year old and why, if true, is methamphetamine use so disproportionally prevalent amongst gays & what can be done to reverse the situation) so that they may instead express their reflexive, judgmental, and slightly backwards moralism.

[little jeremiah]

What do you mean by backward moralism?

As far as 16 year olds using meth and having promiscuous "gay" sex, there are many things that could be done.

1. Allow parents to control and discipline their children.

2. Get the homosexual promoters out of the schools.

3. Have stronger punishments for meth and other dangerous drug use - the best would be public caning. (The county DA agrees with me on this one - off the record. He says nothing else will work.)

4. Death punishment for meth dealers. This will help a lot. (And my views on marijuana I've posted before - let everyone who wants to smoke it, grow it. Just no selling, that'll get rid of the multiple-drug dealers. Grow it for personal use only.)

5. Execution for child molesters. Since many homosexuals were molested, and since all child molesters continue to molest (generally speaking) this will help curtail the number of new homosexuals.

6. Close all bathhouses and other facilities where homosexuals congregate to have promiscuous sex.

7. Have REAL "safe sex" education - and it needn't be gov't funded. Plenty of churches and private organizations and individuals will be happy to fill the gap.

How's that for a start?

[TOUGH STOUGH]

Every time I read one of these articles I literally get the chills. Most of the people in this article are so young, and they are absolutely ruining their lives.

Taking meth and sleeping with countless partners in one evening, with or without condoms is sick and dangerous. They must have a death wish. It is also utterly sad and depressing.

There are so many healthier pursuits they could be following, and instead they are ruining themselves.

People like the young men in the article need our prayers, BIGTIME.