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Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped
AP via Yahoo! ^ | April 19, 2004 | John Solomon

Posted on 04/19/2004 1:23:06 PM PDT by RippleFire

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.

The government has insisted McVeigh drove the truck himself and that it never had any video of the bombing or the scene of the Alfred P. Murrah building in the minutes before the April 19, 1995, explosion.

Several investigators and prosecutors who worked the case told The Associated Press they had never seen video footage like that described in the Secret Service log.

The document, if accurate, is either significant evidence kept secret for nine years or a misconstrued recounting of investigative leads that were often passed by word of mouth during the hectic early days of the case, they said.

"I did not see it," said Danny Defenbaugh, the retired FBI (news - web sites) agent who ran the Oklahoma City probe. "If it shows what it says, then it would be significant."

Secret Service spokesman Charles Bopp declined to discuss the video footage reference, saying it would be addressed by witnesses later this week at the capital murder trial of McVeigh co-defendant Terry Nichols. "It is anticipated Secret Service employees will testify in court concerning these matters," he said.

Other documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service in late 1995 gave prosecutors several computer disks of enhanced digital photographs of the Murrah building, intelligence files on several subjects in the investigation and a file detailing an internal affairs inquiry concerning an agent who reconstructed key phone evidence against McVeigh.

"These abstract sheets are sensitive documents which we have protected from disclosure in the past," said a Secret Service letter that recounted discussions in late 1995 with federal prosecutors on what evidence would be turned over to defense lawyers.

Lawyers for Nichols say they have never been given the security video, photo disks or internal investigative file referenced in the documents.

The trial judge has threatened to dismiss the death penalty case if evidence was withheld. McVeigh was executed in 2001 on a separate federal conviction. Nichols was sentenced to life in prison on federal charges before being tried by the state this year.

The government has maintained for years that McVeigh parked the Ryder rental truck carrying a massive fertilizer bomb outside the Murrah building and left alone in a getaway car he parked around the corner. The bombing killed more than 160 people.

The only video prosecutors introduced at trial showed the Ryder truck without any visible passengers as it passed a security camera inside a high-rise apartment building a block away from the Murrah building.

But the Secret Service log reported on April 24 and April 25, 1995, that there was security footage showing the Ryder truck pulling up to the Murrah building. The log does not say where such video came from or who possessed it.

A log entry on April 25 states that the security footage allowed agents to determine the time that elapsed between suspects leaving the truck and the explosion.

An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.

"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."

A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

Defenbaugh said the FBI had talked to several witnesses suggesting two people had left the truck, but prosecutors never introduced the scenario at trial because it couldn't be corroborated. That's why a new security video would be significant, he said.

"It would have taken the investigation in a very specific direction," Defenbaugh said. "Rather than having to go down an eight-lane highway during rush hour, we would have gone down a faster path with just two or four lanes."

Defenbaugh said the FBI kept a log similar to the Secret Service document inside the Oklahoma City investigation command center that might help solve the mystery of the video. Justice officials declined to discuss documents, citing the ongoing Nichols' trial.

In addition to the witness mentioned in the Secret Service document, a woman working in Murrah's Social Security (news - web sites) office who was rescued from the rubble and a driver outside the building both reported to the FBI seeing two men leave the truck, according to government documents.

The Secret Service (news - web sites) log contained other information about the case — including that McVeigh made 30 calls to an Illinois gun dealer in the months before the attacks to seek dynamite and that the gun dealer subsequently failed a lie detector test. The Secret Service lost six employees in McVeigh's bombing, the single largest loss in agency history.

Nichols' attorneys last week asked the judge to dismiss the case on grounds the government withheld evidence, including the security video footage.

New documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service provided prosecutors other evidence that may not have been provided to defense lawyers, including a file showing the Secret Service agent who reconstructed crucial phone evidence against McVeigh was subjected to an internal affairs investigation and eventually cleared for her conduct in the case.

FBI officials say that file details allegations the agent wrongly collected grand jury-subpoenaed phone information about McVeigh's calls without FBI knowledge, and kept it for weeks while she produced analysis that helped the investigation.

The internal investigation caused complications for prosecutors. They decided it tainted the agent as a witness and they chose instead to hire an outside expert to re-do the phone analysis for trial, officials said.

Bopp said the Secret Service did nothing wrong.

"The Secret Service worked cooperatively with the FBI and other federal state and local law enforcement throughout the investigation," Bopp said. "The expertise of the Secret Service on electronic crimes and telecommunications provided unique and timely information to the ongoing investigation."

On the Net:

The FBI: http://www.fbi.gov

The documents obtained by The Associated Press can be viewed at http://wid.ap.org/documents/okc/okcdoc2.pdf


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To: JOAT
Ever notice the painstaking efforts gone to to secure certain crime scenes for a complete and thorough investigation, except certain ones which get the bulldozer treatment before the dust settles? or the door can be found, or the metalurgists can arrive, or the morgue tent goes on the blink and the bodies liquify in seven days and nobody noticed?

Aw sheesh! This is too depressing for memory lane.

I think an allout war between the ex Clintonites and the Bushies. The truth Bush should have disclosed from day #1 is going to come out this summer and the gloves are coming off. I expect bodies to start piling up like cordwood from those who know the facts.

61 posted on 04/19/2004 2:30:49 PM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: Truth666
Tim McVeigh innocent? No. He was a loyal soldier - to someone else's army. Why else would he not use the third-man as a straw argument not to be killed himself?

Nichols isn't quite so loyal to the other army, I guess.
62 posted on 04/19/2004 2:32:20 PM PDT by MortMan (Complacency is an enemy sniper)
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To: TonyInOhio
Ramsey Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols (OKC) crossed paths in the Phillipines. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (9/11) was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given money and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

63 posted on 04/19/2004 2:32:27 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ScaniaBoy; Cooter; eyespysomething; B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Triple; MJY1288; potlatch; Shermy; ...
Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be taken off this list. Thanks.
64 posted on 04/19/2004 2:34:58 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Communism has bowed the knee to Jesus. *** Allah is next.)
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To: Shermy
From the memo, via Drudge link:"

Yep. See also the report via AP, at this post and responses.e

65 posted on 04/19/2004 2:36:26 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: All
I've been thinking. The security video shows the yellow get away car followed by the ryder truck.

I don't remember, but wasn't Nichols totally away from the Murrah building?

The video shows two men getting out of the truck, and obviously someone was driving the get away car. Including Nichols then that makes four people-five if the woman waving to them where to park was involved.
66 posted on 04/19/2004 2:37:22 PM PDT by sissyjane (You're either with us or against us.)
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To: Michael Rivero
Paging Michael Rivero
67 posted on 04/19/2004 2:38:16 PM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: RippleFire
I'm still wondering what happened to a 07-20-93 videotape of a certain parking lot.
68 posted on 04/19/2004 2:39:02 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: RippleFire
is rush limbaugh in the video?

that this happened surprised no one....nor that it is being leaked now
69 posted on 04/19/2004 2:39:23 PM PDT by BurbankKarl (for discussion purposes only!)
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To: PISANO
Actually, that would have been Alhuseini, who ended up working at Logan Airport. Where Mohammed Atta and the boys did their deed.
70 posted on 04/19/2004 2:39:27 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Communism has bowed the knee to Jesus. *** Allah is next.)
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To: Truth666
TImothy McVeigh, an innocent murdered

Not necessarily an innocent. But very possibly a federal agent inside the operation, professional to the end, of a much higher quality than the usual FBI and BATF drones caught in other criminality and selling out their country.

71 posted on 04/19/2004 2:40:55 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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The government has insisted McVeigh drove the truck himself and that it never had any video of the bombing or the scene of the Alfred P. Murrah building in the minutes before the April 19, 1995, explosion.

It seems that all the witnesses who have claimed to see two men coming out of the truck will be vindicated

72 posted on 04/19/2004 2:41:38 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Marie Antoinette
How about the Airbus 300 with the detachable tail (and magic flaming engine) over Long Island right after 9/11? Richard Reid's got nothin on these guys.
73 posted on 04/19/2004 2:43:52 PM PDT by glock rocks (Please pray for our patriot armed forces in harm's way - and the families awaiting their safe return)
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To: MortMan
>He was a loyal soldier - to someone else's army. Why else would he not use the third-man as a straw argument not to be killed himself?

Other than the poem
about Mithra, Tim didn't
use his "fame" to speak

about anything.
That's pretty strange. His silence
must have some meaning.

74 posted on 04/19/2004 2:44:54 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: JOAT
I remember local reporters mentioned additional bombs and the bomb disposal unit on the scene, but of course that went down the memory hole fast.

Easy enough to determine. Interrogate the OKC police officer first on the scene. Officer Yeakey? Terry Yeakey?

Lets put him on the stand, under oath, and see what he has to say....

75 posted on 04/19/2004 2:44:54 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy
BTW, where I transcribed "face" it should be "fact."
76 posted on 04/19/2004 2:45:38 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Truth666
"TImothy McVeigh, an innocent murdered"

Oh good grief. McViegh himself admitted that he did it. He gave a full TV interview confessional before his last stay of execution.

The only odd part about McViegh was that he was clearly covering up for someone else. He wouldn't name other names, preferring instead to take his secrets to the grave.

77 posted on 04/19/2004 2:46:13 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ovrtaxt
Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be taken off this list. Thanks.

Quite the opposite, please. Kindly add me.

-archy-/-

78 posted on 04/19/2004 2:47:10 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: antivenom
Just out of interest, I caught all the references in your post except "Starbuck's girl." Can you explain that one?
79 posted on 04/19/2004 2:47:43 PM PDT by johnfrink
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To: johnfrink
If there is a tape, where is it? Was it staged? Is there anything real?
80 posted on 04/19/2004 2:49:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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