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Discrepancies noted in Kerry's record
Globe Newspaper Company ^ | April 23,2004 | Michael Kranish, Globe Staff

Posted on 04/23/2004 7:15:47 AM PDT by TET1968

Edited on 04/23/2004 1:43:49 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | April 23, 2004 WASHINGTON -- Vietnam combat records posted on John F. Kerry's campaign website for the month of January 1969 as evidence of his service aboard swift boat No. 94 describe action that occurred before Kerry was skipper of that craft, according to the officer who said he commanded the boat at the time.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: kerry; kerrylies; kerryrecord
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To: syriacus
Thanks for the link.

I won't say "I told you so" but these military/medical records should have been released and investigated when Kerry first ran for public office.

And any person who had ever been in combat would question a combatant who claimed to have received three Purple Hearts in less than four months in combat without spending one night in a hospital.

And when Kerry "testilied" that there were "mass atrocities" he should have been further investigated and probably indicted for perjury and treasonous speech.

Kerry, a lifetime member of the "Useful Idiots Club"

Semper Fi,
Kelly

Viet Nam Veterans Against John Kerry
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com
21 posted on 04/23/2004 7:58:36 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: LongTermSoldier
Welcome aboard. Many here started out thinking they were Democrats only to discover that the more they knew about the Democrats (especially those with the real power like the leaders in state and federal legislatures, judges, and money people) the more we realized that the Democrats were NOT for the "little man" but instead support class envy, abortion, homosexual marriage, illegal immigration, higher taxes (read my tagline), guns in the hands of criminals, the police, and military only, race based preferences, anti-profiling even if it means that the US will be less safe, pro-UN, ad naseum.

All we ask is that you dig deeper and see if they really support your views.
22 posted on 04/23/2004 8:06:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: LongTermSoldier
So why are you still a Dem? Can you name one Democrat (besides yourself and Zell Miller) who stands for anything decent and truthful?
23 posted on 04/23/2004 8:09:41 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: LongTermSoldier
P.S. Thanks for your sacrifices to our country and us. Your service is greatly appreciated.
24 posted on 04/23/2004 8:10:47 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"What it says is that there is an accusation that Kerry took someone else's record and inserted HIS name into it as if he was the one doing it!"

Plagierism. Didn't you know that's a bonafide occupational requirement to run as a Democrat for Congress.

25 posted on 04/23/2004 8:13:02 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: LongTermSoldier
Welcome to one of the Internets most interesting forums.

I do need to advise you however, that virtually all on this forum would be against Kerry even if he wasn't the self-promoting, opportunist, spineless flip-flopper that he is turning out to be.

We would be opposed on his voting record alone. He is rated by some non-partisan groups that monitor such things as the most left-wing Senator in the Senate.

You mention in your post:
I am a democrat who is probably more clearly defined as a blue dog democrat who does not believe in the fringe crap from the party

I hate to tell you, but this site was founded by a former Democrat. But he saw some years ago that instead of thinking that the "crap" you refer to in that party was "fringe" it was instead, central, controlling and totally dominant.

Much the same has been found by Democrat Senator Zell Miller; check out his recent book A National Party No Longer I believe is the title.

I ask you to do what Zell claims he can't do due to his age and associations of may years. That is to leave the Democrat Party and become an Independent. Then start examining your fundamental political beliefs to firmly grasp what their history is and find out what you truly believe. Vote on that basis.

Political vocation is a sloppy business for members of all parties. Running for office and acquiring power to be effective and have a long term career is corrupting to almost all of them. You will find that voting on character alone is not a way to steer a nation's future. You will be constantly disappointed.

Open you heart fully to man's imperfectability and pick up a solid set of re-honed Principles that will let you support a direction rather than a personality.

I hope my suggestions based on just one post aren't seen as too forward. I offer them in sincere honesty.

26 posted on 04/23/2004 8:14:32 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: TET1968
Just Un-J-Effin-Kerry-believable!!! And he didn't think someone would check the validity of his claims??? The man is farther out there than I thought!!
27 posted on 04/23/2004 8:15:26 AM PDT by Polyxene (Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room.- Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: LongTermSoldier
I appreciate where you are coming from and I want to thank you for serving your country! Clinton did not respect the military and he and the democrats made huge cuts in money that should have gone to the people serving our country. There was very little money for upkeep of our jets or anything else and some pilots had to wire parts together before the could fly. Clinton also used up our reserves in a certain type of missile. President Bush was in office about 9 months before 9-11 happened. There was a recent bill before congress for pay raises and for body armor for our troops but people like Kerry voted it down. My nephew served in Iraq and he may have to go back.
28 posted on 04/23/2004 8:16:42 AM PDT by ruoflaw
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To: LongTermSoldier
Welcome aboard and God bless you for your service to the greatest country in the world.

Someone once said that a conservative is a liberal who got mugged.
29 posted on 04/23/2004 8:20:16 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: TET1968
Thank you, John Kerry, for helping make us Vietnam veterans war heroes
now, but you also were the primary reason that the American public grabbed
sturdy unbending brooms of judgment and swept us into the closet of
silence and shame for so many years. Now, with your latest unreported
insanity, you are getting ready for our society to grab those same stiff
brooms and sweep our brave, noble young men and women fighting against the
War on Terror in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, into that cold, dark
cell of heartbreak and betrayal, like we Vietnam veterans had to endure in
silent dignity. I cannot and will not watch this country go through that
again.

The hardcore America-hating, Israel-hating, jihad-spouting Muslim
clerics in the mideast are very excited and passing around a front page
newspaper story from the very anti-American TEHRAN TIMES in Iran. In the
country that is home of the world's toughest theocratic dictatorship, an
e-mail from Democratic Presidential nominee, you, John Forbes Kerry, sent
to the paper by your campaign committee, although they deny sending it,
was printed word-for-word on the front page of Iran's main newspaper. Your
message states emphatically that, if elected President, you, John Kerry
plan to travel to the mideast and elsewhere and apologize for our actions
and the actions of President Bush in the War on Terror. You are already
apologizing. It says that you plan to
apologize to friends and foes alike. That is right, folks. John Kerry
will say he is "sorry," and in his mind, all those jihad extremists, who
have vowed to kill all Americans wherever we are, will simply forgive
us, hold hands with Kerry, start singing "Kumbaya," and all will be
right in the world. This is insane! You have also made statements you
will do these actions within 100 days of becoming President.

Senior writer Kenneth R. Timmerman in the March 1st edition of INSIGHT,
tells about the massive campaign contributions to the
Kerry-for-President campaign by three Iranian businessmen living in the
US, who are lobbying for the US lifting of sanctions on Iran and
accepting the anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-American Tehran regime
and the close ties of one to the chairman of Mobil Oil.

"Pro-democracy dissidents" in Iran are shocked and appalled
at your remarks, and have reported that in Iran and other Mideastern
countries, that all the extremists and anti-west mullahs who strongly
supported the attacks on the World Trade Center, Pentagon, USS Cole,
Marine Barracks, and anyplace Americans congregate, want you to become our
President, but they are scared to death of George W. Bush. Just think, The
Democratic candidate for President, you, John Forbes Kerry, is endorsed by
the Al Q'Aida, Hezbollah, PLF, and Hamas.

But on February 27, 2004, in a speech at UCLA , you, while trying to
talk tough, despite voting against all major weapons systems for the
past 18 years, stated that you will continue the War on Terror, but
would use our police forces, and especially those in foreign countries,
and you would also put our troops back under the powder blue flag of the
United Nations. You recently made comments about Bush making troops fight
without Kevlar vests, but you, Senator Kerry, voted against buying them
while you were in the Senate. Senate Bill 1689. Passed 87-12. You were one
of the 12. Remember?

Like the Kama Sutra, Senator, you change positions
constantly. You're not going to end the War on Terror, but instead use
police to handcuff terrorists and read them their rights; then a week
later, you are going to end the War on Terrorism and apologize to
everyone we have offended, such as Iran. What is it going be next week,
John Kerry? You flip-flop more than a beached tuna on steroids.

You convinced TV reporters Chris Wallace on Fox and NBC's
Tim Russert that a photograph circulating the web and news showing you a
few rows away from Jane Fonda at a September, 1970 Anti-War Rally at
Valley Forge, was simply a coincidence and that you and Hanoi Jane barely
knew each other. But, in fact, Senator, there were only 8
speakers that day, including Fonda, Donald Southerland, and Bella Abzug,
and Hanoi Jane funded that rally, and the keynote speaker was you, John
Forbes Kerry, executive committee member of Vietnam Veterans Against the
War.

We must be Americans first, and think about our political parties after
that. Sometimes we lose sight of that. I have six grown children and two
are democrats. I voted for Jimmy Carter. This is not about politics. It
is about standing up to the ultimate playground bully, and not simply
cowering and kissing his shoes.

I left it "all on the field" in the jungles back there when I was
medevaced out of Vietnam in March of 1969 and sent back to hospitals in
"The World." Although You, Mr. Kerry, painted all of us Vietnam veterans
with the yellow brush of My Lai and Tiger Force, most of us, draftees and
lifers alike, actually poured our hearts out in the tropical rain forests
and in the rice paddies, thoroughly gave it our all, and acted as warriors
who had honor. I have a son earning his green beret at Fort
Bragg right now and a daughter-in-law who was on orders for Iraq but is
making me a grandpa again. I am not going to stand by and watch them go
through the same treatment we did, because some of our well-meaning fellow
Americans choose to wear blinders and believe things just because they
heard it on the network news or simply not care enough to get involved.

I am not a "baby-killer, torturer, or murderer," John Kerry. I am a
Vietnam veteran and an American who will not soon forget, or ever want
to see again, any more jets loaded with fuel and screaming, innocent
Americans slamming into our buildings on our very own soil. I have shed
enough tears for ten lifetimes. We all have. I will never again let my
fellow countrymen get away with making American veterans feel like
bastard step-children.

Santayana said, "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to
repeat it."

John Kerry, I now call on my "Band of Brothers," those who have heard
the sound of guns and cries of orphaned children, those who hate war
more than anyone who has not been there, to join me in this difficult
battle ahead. Republicans, democrats, independents, and the apolitical,
I call on the 25,000,000 veterans of this country to help me confront
this evil facing our great nation, not with guns and bombs, but with our
voices, our votes, our computers, and with all our fighting spirit.

My fellow veterans, your families, survivors, and
neighbors: God bless you and God bless America.

You want proof of all I have to say. Here are the references:

http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_2889.shtml

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=6246


http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/03/16/Politics/Kerry.Will.Abandon.War.On.Terrorism-621288.shtml

http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2004&m=03&d=01&a=12
http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2004&m=03&d=01&a=12

http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040229-105340-2864r.htm

http://www.tehrantimes.com/archives/Detailview.asp?Keyword=John%20Kerry%20&Da=2/8/2004&Cat=2&Num=26

http://johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0227.html

http://nyyrc.blogspot.com/

http://www.daneshjoo.org/article/publish/article_3130.shtml

http://www.donbendell.com


Want more proof? Read the very exposing February 27, 2004 article, on
page 8, of the NY Sun by Thomas Lipscomb, founder of Time Books and
publisher of Admiral Elmo Zumwalt's best-selling book. "ON WATCH ". Also
read what the man who pinned the Silver Star on John Kerry had to say
about him. The article is entitled "Setting Straight Kerry's War Record"

Don Bendell is a former green beret captain, who served in Vietnam on an
A-Team and in the Top Secret Phoenix program in 1968 and 1969, as well as
in three other Special Forces Groups. He is a best-selling author of 21
books, with over 1,500,000 copies of his books in print worldwide, and a
seventh degree black master in four martial arts, who was inducted into
the International Karate Hall of Fame in 1995 and Martial Arts Museum of
America in 1996. e-mail: don@donbendell.com <mailto:don@donbendell.com

Please cut and paste this to a new e-mail and send it on to your friends
and family BEFORE the election and let them decide if John Kerry needs
their vote. He would have NEVER gotten mine even before my daughter sent
me his first open letter about Sen. Kerry. Thanks
--
Tony C.

Once a Marine... ...Always a Marine OOORAHHH !!!!!

Saepe Expertus - Semper Fidelis - Fratres Aeterni
"Often Tested" - "Always Faithful" - "Brothers Forever"

http://www.Vvof.org/ <http://www.vvof.org/
Vietnam Veterans of Florida Inc., State Coalition
30 posted on 04/23/2004 8:29:50 AM PDT by chuknospam
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To: LongTermSoldier
Thank you for your service ! Hand Salute !
31 posted on 04/23/2004 8:37:12 AM PDT by stylin19a (is it mogadishu yet ?)
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To: TET1968
Looks to me like "Kerry's boat" deserves all the medals for service...

It is obvious that the boat is braver than Kerry.
34 posted on 04/23/2004 9:22:46 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: FairOpinion
There are so many things that need to be excerpted, that I lost track.

Not to worry:

- Here's a handy aphabetical list^ by URL of websites that need to be excerpted

- And the posting page will prevent you from posting a full article from any of these sources.

So, in the best FReeper tradition, post often, freely and fully.

And when you do have to excerpt, consider linking to the "printer friendly" version of the article.

35 posted on 04/23/2004 1:05:22 PM PDT by upchuck (Message to Senator John F'ing sKerry: Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.)
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To: LongTermSoldier
"I am a democrat...."

Why are you a democrat? Are you Anti-Gun? Pro-Abortion? Pro-Homosexual Agenda? Do you think the rich owe you something and they should pay your way? Do you think your taxes are too low? Do you support open borders and illegal immigration? Do you support Racial Quotas? WHAT THEN? WHY ARE YOU A DEMOCRAT?!?!

36 posted on 04/23/2004 1:19:48 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: TET1968

37 posted on 04/23/2004 1:21:53 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Ketchup Boy's former commanding officer next on Fox News.
38 posted on 04/28/2004 9:28:58 AM PDT by TET1968
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To: TET1968
Ketchup Boy's former commanding officer next on Fox News.

Saw that....did Asman say he was going to allege that Kerry used his 3 PH medals to get out of VN early???
39 posted on 04/28/2004 9:31:46 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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