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DUBYA'S WING MEN (in case you missed it, he volunteered for Vietnam)
National Review Online ^ | 2-19-04 | Jed Babbin

Posted on 04/27/2004 9:45:22 AM PDT by doug from upland

February 19, 2004, 8:55 a.m.
Dubya’s Wing Men
The lessons of Vietnam were different for Bush and Kerry.

Why are the president's supporters so defensive whenever the President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard comes up? Does the fact that John Kerry fought in Vietnam, and George Bush didn't, make Kerry a better wartime leader?

Some of the hyper-libs are saying that Bush's service in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron was the equivalent of draft dodging. They're also saying — and the too willing media are buying — the idea that Senator Kerry's combat experience would have to make him a better wartime president than Bush. Both points are false. The real issue is what did each of them learn in the Vietnam days, and how those lessons shape their present-day thinking.

First, let's dispense with the idea that Bush was some sort of chicken hawk, hiding in the National Guard while others risked their lives. According to four of the pilots who flew with him, then-Lieutenant George W. Bush was a better-than-average pilot who did a dangerous job very well.

If all you know about flying fighters was learned watching Tom Cruise in Top Gun, you can be forgiven for thinking it's nothing but reckless fun, hard drinking, and a steady stream of beautiful girls. (That's only what the jet jocks want you to believe). The reality is that it's a hazardous business that will kill you — long before any enemy gets the chance to — if you aren't up to the job. My college roommate, retired Air Force Colonel Ed Atkins, flew fighters for 20 years. Ed told me, "Anybody who thinks that flying fighters is not exhausting physically, demanding intellectually, and tough emotionally just has no clue about the complexity of air combat." He added, "I've flown check rides as everything from a second lieutenant to a colonel. The [flight examiner] doesn't give a damn if your dad was George H.W. Bush, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Jesus or Moses. The only question is, 'can you hack the mission?'" And it's harder to do in some aircraft than others. Dubya had the right stuff.

Retired Col. Bill Campenni was one of President Bush's squadron mates. The Texas ANG had the F-102, and probably wished it didn't. According to Campenni, "The F-102 was underpowered and, unlike modern fighters, had a split front view through the canopy. It literally had a bar down the center, so you'd have one eye on each side of the bar. It also had a built in altimeter error of up to 500 feet, which made it interesting when you were at 500 feet out over the ocean at night." Flying and training in the '102 was a dangerous job that required a lot of smarts and flying skill.

Bob Harmon is another of Bush's former squadron mates. At the time, Harmon was an instructor pilot. He remembers Bush as a "young, affable guy" and an above-average pilot, very good for his level of experience. "We flew together two or three times a month." It was dangerous duty. Harmon said that a couple of pilots were killed in F-102 accidents while Bush was there.

The first American jet fighters to be deployed to Vietnam were F-102s of the 509th Fighter Interceptor Squadron. When Lt. Bush signed up for fighters and joined the 111th FIS, he stood ready to deploy to Vietnam, as did every other Air National Guard pilot. In fact, he tried to volunteer for Vietnam.

Of the four pilots I spoke to who flew with Bush in the Texas days, Fred Bradley knew him best. They had met before going off to the year-long ordeal of pilot school, and entered the 111th at about the same time. Both were junior lieutenants without a lot of flying experience. But the inexperience didn't prevent Bush — along with Bradley — from going to their squadron leaders to see if they could get into a program called "Palace Alert." "There were four of us lieutenants at the time, and we were all fairly close. Two of them had more flight time than the president and me, said Bradley." All four volunteered for Vietnam (Bradley doesn't remember whether he and Bush actually signed paperwork, but he specifically remembers both Bush and himself trying to get into the Palace Alert Vietnam program.) Bush and Bradley were turned away, and the two more senior pilots went to Vietnam. Joe Glavin, another member of Dubya's squadron said, "There were always a core of the guys who were the "in guys" and [Bush] was in the middle of it...George's difference was that we all knew that his daddy was rich and that he was smarter than the rest of us." Smarter? "I don't understand where [people saying Dubya is a dummy] comes from." Glavin explained that because their squadron was an active duty squadron, they always had two aircraft — armed and fueled — standing on the taxiway on what is called "plus five" alert. From the time the horn blows, until the time the aircraft was wheels-up on takeoff had to be five minutes or less.

Glavin said, "When we had to sit alerts, there were two pilots, and two crew chiefs that sat out in the alert barn. George was like everybody else, except while George was over in a corner reading somebody's autobiography, the rest of us were watching Hee Haw."

Glavin remembers Bush as a pilot who had learned good judgment, not a Hollywood hot dog. He told me of one night when the two were on alert and were scrambled to run a practice intercept over the Gulf of Mexico. Bush went out long and high, and turned back at supersonic speed. Glavin also went supersonic and then his radio failed. At that point, the two F-102s were approaching each other at a combined speed of about 1,800 miles an hour. At 20 miles — about 45 seconds before the paths would cross — Bush broke off the intercept. "We went to debrief with the controller and the controller said to George, why'd you break off the intercept? George said something to the effect of '[here] we're coming at each other at 1,800 miles an hour and he doesn't have a radio and you expect me to just sit there?' He said, 'we're not doin' that.'"

When you fly fighters with any squadron, you're literally betting your life on your pals' flying skills, just as they are betting it all on yours. Bush's old squadron-mates have the same confidence in him now they had when they flew with him. Bradley said, "I've always thought he was an intelligent, likeable, level-headed person." According to Glavin, "George was a smart man, an excellent pilot, and I'd fly with him again tomorrow, and I will vote for him in November." Which is about as high as praise gets among the jet jocks.

The media — by focusing only on Kerry's Vietnam service and Bush's lack of combat time — is blowing a smokescreen to cover a far more important issue than who served where and when. In the 2004 election, we're not choosing someone to pick up a gun and go at the enemy himself. We're choosing someone who can lead the nation in time of war.

Kerry is a puzzle: once a warrior, now distrustful of his nation's power and position in the world. He had a soda-straw-wide view of a war that Americans still don't agree should have been fought. He came back from it to condemn the war and those who fought it even though some were still being beaten and tortured in North Vietnamese prison camps. He abandoned them for the company of Hanoi Jane to propel himself into politics. Cong. Sam Johnson, who was held prisoner by the North Vietnamese for seven years, was asked about the picture of Kerry sitting near Jane Fonda at an antiwar demonstration. He told the Washington Times, "Seeing this picture of Kerry with her at antiwar demonstrations in the United States just makes me want to throw up." There is no such revulsion of George Bush among the best of judges: the Vietnam-era military, and those who now go in harm's way.

The distrust and doubt Kerry learned in Vietnam now colors everything he sees. When John Kerry looks at terrorism he sees a threat we can deal with without going to war. In the Middle East he sees only a Vietnam-like quagmire. Kerry doesn't believe America can win this war, and lacks the confidence in America to lead it through the conflict.

President Bush is no combat hero, but he served bravely and well in the Vietnam era. His service gave him confidence in his nation and its motives that John Kerry lacks. What Bush has and Kerry doesn't is the critical difference in character between a president who can lead a nation through a war, and one who cannot.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; bush; commanderinchief; dubya; jedbabbin; nationalguard; realleader; waronterror
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To: doug from upland
Here's the BULL TIHS that Moveon is E-mailing around.


21 posted on 04/27/2004 10:27:43 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: doug from upland
Outstanding read, Doug. Thanks for posting this.
22 posted on 04/27/2004 10:29:30 AM PDT by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy, kid)
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To: USMCVet
Wish you guys would quit with the "Dubya inflation"...

You're leaving out a couple of small details:

1. Kerry had a draft number that guaranteed he would be drafted if he did not volunteer.

In other words, Kerry volunteered to avoid the draft, thus keeping himself from having to sit in a foxhole and/or crawl through the mud.

2. Dubya had a draft number in the 300s. That means he had no chance of being drafted. He joined the Guard ANYWAY.

23 posted on 04/27/2004 10:39:46 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Can this be real? No way. Did the CINC specifically request not to be sent to Vietnam or was he just lucky?
24 posted on 04/27/2004 10:41:04 AM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: OneTimeLurker
It doesn't matter.(to me anyways)

GWB's purpose in the TANG was to watch out for Soviet bombers.
25 posted on 04/27/2004 10:44:13 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: doug from upland
So John al-Query wants to bring up Dubya's National Guard Service? In his own words, "Bring it On"!
26 posted on 04/27/2004 10:44:42 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: EternalHope
2. Dubya had a draft number in the 300s. That means he had no chance of being drafted. He joined the Guard ANYWAY.


Check your info regarding when the Draft Lottery went into effect..... President Bush had no such number....
27 posted on 04/27/2004 10:58:57 AM PDT by deport (To a dog all roads lead home.......)
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To: OneTimeLurker
Can this be real? No way.


That is from the President's military files... It has been explained as that is a normal entry filled out by the clerks as they process the paper work.... So who knows... But it is also reported that he requested assignment to Nam once he gained flight status....
28 posted on 04/27/2004 11:01:58 AM PDT by deport (To a dog all roads lead home.......)
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To: doug from upland
BTTT
29 posted on 04/27/2004 11:07:01 AM PDT by spodefly (A 7mm intellect in a .284 caliber world, or something.)
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To: USMCVet
I respect your service... but not your post.

...and the only reason anybody would even think of bringing a F-102 to Vietnam was to display the thing...

See above. They were there and then they were sent home.

...It was a straightline interceptor in an area where there weren't any high-altitude bombers...

I guess you never heard of the Buff runs on Hanoi during Linebacker I and II.

President Bush served honorably and well and doesn't deserve to have his service denigrated by ANYONE.

30 posted on 04/27/2004 11:10:41 AM PDT by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God" - C.S. Lewis)
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To: OXENinFLA
From a 2000 WP Article:

Among the questions Bush had to answer on his application forms was whether he wanted to go overseas. Bush checked the box that said: "do not volunteer."

Bush said in an interview that he did not recall checking the box. Two weeks later, his office provided a statement from a former, state-level Air Guard personnel officer, asserting that since Bush "was applying for a specific position with the 147th Fighter Group, it would have been inappropriate for him to have volunteered for an overseas assignment and he probably was so advised by the military personnel clerk assisting him in completing the form."

Washington Post

31 posted on 04/27/2004 11:18:58 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: OXENinFLA
From a 2000 WP Article:

Among the questions Bush had to answer on his application forms was whether he wanted to go overseas. Bush checked the box that said: "do not volunteer."

Bush said in an interview that he did not recall checking the box. Two weeks later, his office provided a statement from a former, state-level Air Guard personnel officer, asserting that since Bush "was applying for a specific position with the 147th Fighter Group, it would have been inappropriate for him to have volunteered for an overseas assignment and he probably was so advised by the military personnel clerk assisting him in completing the form."

Washington Post

32 posted on 04/27/2004 11:19:36 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
THANKS!
33 posted on 04/27/2004 11:27:41 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: doug from upland
bump
34 posted on 04/27/2004 11:30:39 AM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: doug from upland
I'm sure glad this story has found some light.
35 posted on 04/27/2004 11:30:57 AM PDT by BillyCrockett
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To: belmont_mark
Along with libel, you could add defamation.
36 posted on 04/27/2004 11:31:34 AM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: OXENinFLA
You're most welcome...sorry about the double post, my trackball is acting up and sometimes double-clicks with very unintended consequences. All of the questions about Bush's service were answered during the campaign, I can't believe the Dems are still beating that dead horse.
37 posted on 04/27/2004 11:38:34 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: doug from upland
Seeing how important Kerry's status as a decorated war veteran is to the Democrats and their media, it's hard to understand why decorated war vets GHW Bush and Bob Dole didn't win by landslides over that draft dodging Bill Clinton. Democrats must have been confused by hanging chads of something, that caused all their votes for the Veterans to go to the draft dodger instead.
38 posted on 04/27/2004 11:40:15 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (We all remember Audie Murphy,We all admire Audie Murphy-you John Kerry, are no Audie Murphy.)
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To: USMCVet
Neither one of these two need to be entering into long descriptions of their service.

If you notice, only one of 'these two' has been bragging.

39 posted on 04/27/2004 11:43:58 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: ravingnutter
Thanks for your archive statements - this is awesome. I have a lot of stuff but none of this - it's just great.

I've been preparing lots of stuff to use as handouts closer to the election. As Chapter Executive for San Diego, I hope to have lots of handouts for people - and when they question ANYTHING - I will some handout to answer their question. Thanks again so much.
40 posted on 04/27/2004 11:54:20 AM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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