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Rescue Workers Say Hybrid Cars a Danger
AP | 5/4/04 | Patrick Walker

Posted on 05/04/2004 12:03:08 PM PDT by The South Texan


Las Vegas SUN

Today: May 04, 2004 at 11:26:29 PDT

Rescue Workers Say Hybrid Cars a Danger

By PATRICK WALTERS
ASSOCIATED PRESS

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -

The growing popularity of hybrid vehicles is a step toward cleaner air and less dependence on gasoline. But for rescuers at accident scenes, they represent a potential new danger: a network of high-voltage circuitry that may require some precise cutting to save a trapped victim.

"You don't want to go crushing anything with hydraulic tools," said Samuel Caroluzzi, an assistant chief with the Norristown Fire Department outside Philadelphia. "It's enough to kill you from what they're telling us in training."

Hybrids draw power from two sources, typically a gas or diesel engine combined with an electric motor. The battery powering the electric motor carries as much as 500 volts, more than 40 times the strength of a standard battery.

That worries those who must cut into cars to rescue people inside.

"If you can't shut it down, you don't know where the high voltage is," said David Dalrymple, an emergency medical technician in New Brunswick, N.J.

Manufacturers have put in place a laundry list of safety checks that the car's computer must go through for the electrical system to run. They've published guides showing where the electric components are on their models; on the Toyota Prius and other hybrids, the high-power cables are colored bright orange to catch the eye of a rescue worker or a mechanic.

But there are concerns over what happens if something goes wrong and the battery, ignition and other points are inaccessible.

"It's the 'what-if' that worries me," said David Castiaux, an instructor for Mid-Del Technology Center in Del City, Okla., who teaches rescue workers about hybrids.

Chris Peterson, a service training instructor for Toyota, said the Prius' electric system should shut down if anything goes wrong. "There should not be high voltage in those cables, but I'm not going to stand up and say there isn't," he said.

First responders are taught to disconnect the battery and turn off the key immediately before cutting into a car, but that's not always possible.

"Years ago you could just cut with your extrication tools through a post, but now you have to look before you cut," said Ken Nelsen, chief of the Iselin Fire Department District 11 in Woodbridge Township, N.J. "It's just another thing you need to worry about."

When air bags started becoming more common in the 1980s, rescue workers became aware of their potential to seriously injure or kill when inflated. Those concerns have been heightened now that the safety devices are being installed in side panels, seats and other areas.

Concerns about hybrids are increasing in large part because of their growing popularity. Sales have risen at an average annual rate of 88.6 percent since 2000 and recent figures show the number of Americans driving them jumped more than 25 percent from 2002 to 2003.

The Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius are common now and more are on the way: hybrid versions of the Ford Escape, Honda Accord and Lexus SUV this year, and a Toyota Highlander in 2005.

The Alachua County Fire Rescue in Gainesville, Fla., even has two hybrids of its own. Although its crews haven't had to deal with a hybrid crash, they've been getting versed on what to do when it happens, said Cliff Chapman, assistant chief.

They know not to cut into a hybrid's doors - that's where many of the cables are - and to peel off the roof instead. They also now operate under the assumption that a car is energized, wearing rubber gloves and boots.

Manufacturers say they will continue to keep rescue personnel up to date on their hybrids. But they also contend that hybrids can be seen as safer than regular cars.

"Everybody's concerned about the electrical side, but could you imagine if we tried to bring gasoline out today as a motor fuel?" Peterson said.

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On the Net:

Mid-Del Technology's training center: http://www.evtraining.com/

Honda Insight: http://www.insightcentral.net/

Toyota Prius: http://www.toyota.com/prius/

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To: antiRepublicrat
My day gets messed up when I rub a cat and then touch a doorknob.
21 posted on 05/04/2004 1:03:47 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Hmmm...so if Ed Begley Jr. were in a wreck, they'd have to decide whether or not to actually try and get him out. Hafta wrestle with that one for a bit...
22 posted on 05/04/2004 1:56:55 PM PDT by TheBigB ("Any moment now, unspeakable horror! Trust me!" -Tom Servo)
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To: TheBigB
If it's got 500V at a fairly good current in it, just hose the wreck down... no sparks, safe to go in. :)
23 posted on 05/04/2004 1:58:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (From each according to his inability, to each according to his misdeeds - DNC Motto)
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To: Dog Gone
500 volts is more than enough.

It's current that kills you, not voltage.

24 posted on 05/04/2004 1:59:48 PM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
It's Ni-MH in the Hondas.

"Ni" as in NICKEL which is a TOXIC metal!
25 posted on 05/04/2004 2:00:21 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: AnAmericanMother
And remember ladies.....have an electrician remove your shorts.
26 posted on 05/04/2004 2:01:27 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: kaktuskid
"Ni" as in NICKEL which is a TOXIC metal!

Run for the hills! The difference is that these aren't going to leak acid out all over the road. I wonder how they do with heat? Wouldn't want to put anything possibly explosive in a car, like batteries or something else like highly cumbustible liquids.

27 posted on 05/04/2004 2:06:26 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Dog Gone
"It's not the volts, it's the amps."
"How many amps is it?"
"Enough to push a car!"
28 posted on 05/04/2004 2:09:18 PM PDT by treadstone71 (With apologies to Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines)
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To: laotzu
And don't get us started on the resistor color code mnemonic . . .

. . . radio amateur and wife of Ga Tech '73 graduate . . .

29 posted on 05/04/2004 4:05:32 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: The South Texan
300VDC will drop you like a sack and stop the ticker, but I doubt these energized parts are anywhere in the passenger compartment. If they are, they should not be.

A bit of specialized training for the EMS people will educate them as to where the disconnect is and what not to touch if it is still hot.

30 posted on 05/04/2004 4:14:34 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Even at relatively low current, that's nasty. I got on the wrong side of a 300V drycell in the lab, and it got my attention.

Yah. I ended up one day completing the circuit on a 450VDC plate (as in "vacuum tube") supply. But it was my lab partner who fell off his stool...

31 posted on 05/04/2004 4:53:41 PM PDT by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: treadstone71
Yup, generally you need alot of power to move a vehicle. Esp. to a reasonable speed. I'm not a EE but I am an ME, so I don't really understand all that electrical gobbledygook, but you have to be able to translate that electrical power into kinetic power. I don't know how much that would take but surely quite a bit!
32 posted on 05/05/2004 7:13:09 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common Sense is an Uncommon Virtue)
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To: Sloth
It's current that kills you, not voltage.True!

However, voltage is a measure of potential. Ohm's Law dictates that the higher the voltage the higher the current (Amps) fgiven the same resistance, provided the battery has sufficient capacity to make the current. If you take ordinary car batteries and string about 25 of them together in series, the result will kill you. In other words highe voltage trnslates into higher current.

Any battery capable of an output sufficient to drive an automobile will have the storage capacity to provide the current.

The author's wording could have been more articulate, but the concept is correct.

33 posted on 05/05/2004 7:33:38 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: Dog Gone
depending on the amps going through!
34 posted on 05/05/2004 7:54:05 AM PDT by Core_Conservative ("right now western Europe is looking like a dead horse." Mark Steyn)
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