Posted on 05/04/2004 11:07:15 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
ELECTION 2004 Did Kerry make up jet-pilot story? Seasoned flyers doubt yarn about taking controls over Israel
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: May 5, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern
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It's been a tough week for John Kerry's credibility.
He's been called unfit to be commander in chief by many of his Vietnam comrades and commanders.
He's been criticized for accepting a Purple Heart for what amounts to a scratch on his arm treated with a Band-Aid.
Now, seasoned jet pilots are calling into question his latest claim – taking the controls of a fighter and flying it over Israel in 1991.
Kerry told the story Monday in a speech to the Anti-Defamation League. He claimed it gave him a different perspective on Israel. He said probably no one else in the room has seen the country upside down from an Israeli Air Force jet.
He asserted that authorities in Israel kept denying his request to fly one of their planes, but that the colonel who was showing him around Israel during a 1991 visit not only got him into a trainer, but let him take the controls.
"I take it off, we go up into the sky, climb up, head down toward Aqaba," the senator said. "And I wanted to look at Aqaba, so I'm coming down over Aqaba, and I suddenly hear this voice on the intercom, and he says, 'Senator, you'd better turn faster, you're going over Egypt.'"
Kerry said the colonel then gave him permission to do "a little aerobatics" and that he made a loop at about 12,000 feet.
"To be able to come out upside down and look down and catch the horizon in back of me and see all the way down into the Sinai to the old base that had been given up, all the way across into Jordan, all the way out into the Gulf of Aqaba, and to see Israel beneath me, and the lines contained, and to see it all upside down was the perfect way to see the Middle East and Israel," he said.
But Internet boards were abuzz with skeptics – some of them seasoned jet pilots themselves.
"I'm sorry but I don't believe for a second much of what John Kerry says," wrote Ron Pera, himself a veteran Navy combat fighter pilot."
I believe even less that he makes the comment he took off the jet trainer that he reportedly flew over Israel."
FreeRepublic.com and other bulletin board sites were inundated with similar posts.
"First of all jets are more difficult to take off than propeller planes because they accelerate much faster and the speed they need to get airborne is much higher," Pera wrote in an email to WND. "This requires more precise control and you will not have that the first time you are in the plane. It takes practice to get those skills, a lot of it. Second of all no rational military trained pilot would take the chance of hurdling off the runway at 160 mph just to let some bigwig handle the controls. Takeoffs and landing are two of the most dangerous times during an aircraft flight. Once you are tens of thousands of feet in the air then it is much, much safer to let some inexperienced person take the controls since you have time and altitude to regain control. This is not a blessing on the ground."
Pera added that unless Kerry many hours flying military aircraft "it is next to impossible he took the plane off."
"I speak from experience as a former Navy fighter pilot and I have no problems releasing ALL of my records," he wrote. "Will Kerry flip-flop on this statement also or just yell at whoever asks the question?"
FIVE FEET?! That's even less believable than Kerry taking off by himself.
Only it was inside a computer simulated trainer.
It's hard to tell with Kerry .. could be either one or both
First, I am an ex-AF fighter pilot and instructor pilot. I have given a number of these PR demonstration rides to people. It is not an unusual thing to do, so it's not surprising the Israelis gave this Grand Phoobah a ride.
I find this tale of his flying not very credible. It sounds like he is brushing up his "hero" patina again by embellishing.
No pilot in his right mind would give the stick to anybody five feet off the runway on takeoff unless there was some sort of catastrophic failure which required it. More likely, if he were the instructor he would be grabbing it. Certainly, he would not hand off control in this critical phase of flight to the likes of a complete novice like Kerry. Not until a completely safe altitude and situation was obtained would he even think of handing it over, and then he would be riding along on the stick like a hawk. This is total bullsh!t about the hand-off, unless the Israeli Colonel was nuts - and I doubt he was.
Next, a loop is not a terribly difficult maneuver, but it does require some finesse - unless the pilot rode through the controls with him which he would surely have to do. More likely, if Kerry did any aerobatics unassisted (as he sort of brags), Kerry did a simple aileron roll, which is about the best somebody without training could attempt successfully alone, and even then he would probably botch it.
A loop requires variable "g"s - up to about 4 or 5 on the pull-up and bottom - with variable degrees of "play" in the stick all through it. It requires good airspeed control throughout the maneuver. It is not a simple maneuver for the inexperienced. Messing it up can lead to a hammerhead stall and a possible spin on the top end. However, an aileron roll only requires moving the stick to the left or right in a more aggressive manner than in a turn. Both will put you upside down. It is more likely Kerry did an aileron roll. Maybe he is just confused, or maybe "loop" sounds better than "roll"?
I think Kerry is full of it, again, especially about the hand-off at 5 feet above the runway. Maybe he rode along for some aerobatics, including a loop, but unlikely he had much to do with them except puke in his barf bag. He probably just rode along, looked at the scenery, made a few easy turns and possibly adid simple aileron roll before he puked and begged to go back home.
Anyhow, that's my take on it, and I speak with some experience in the matter.
Next thing to do is to find out which one of these guys was ever a Col. in the Israeli Air Force.
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