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PHONY IRAQI ABUSE OUTRAGE SYNDROME
Regularguys.com ^ | 05/05/04 | Larry Wachs

Posted on 05/05/2004 8:05:46 AM PDT by slim mackerel

WHEN GOOD NEWS COMES OUT BAD

Happy Cinco de Drinko everybody!

There's is so much good news in the paper lately. Only problem is it's presented as bad.

The latest trick of the left, which proved incredibly effective last decade in helping Rodney King become a WMD, is to work up a lot of phony outrage at Iraqi prisoners being tortured and abused by our military.

"Iraqi Prisoner Urinated On!" And the problem is..? It's the least we can do, really. OK, you're in the Twin Towers on 9/11/01. What would you choose? Someone flying a packed airliner into your head or getting peed upon in the lobby? Thought so. To the anti-US news reporters the only American allowed to pee on others is R Kelly. The only outrageous thing to me is that the soldiers did not shout, "That's for Tillman and Pearl" while they were emptying their bladders on the kindly shepherds.

Yes, I know. Even Rumsfeld and Bush are outraged. What do you expect them to say? "Well, the White House believes that pissing on a guy has it's merits?" Don't they already have their hands full trying to explain to the mentally disabled of the print media the basic concepts of right vs. wrong and self-defense?

It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military. And it's sad that some people are eager to prosecute any of our military as war criminals before Saddam Hussein answers to his evil.

Abuse is necessary for the survival of a free state. These "prisoners" have another name. Enemy combatants. We are fighting dirty people who see Geneva Conventional warfare as old school. "Yo my sand nigga. That's a bunch of Babylonia. Knowwhatitisthatiamsayingtoyoumyfriend?"

As I said last year on the air to much hootery and derision, the eggshells upon which President Bush must walk to fight this war will continue to cause needless death. Lob a nuke and see what happens. It worked for the Japs. They sure as hell calmed down and concentrated on electronics and sushi.

Everytime we conquer a land everyone wins.When we fought Germany did anyone think it would yield some of the kinkiest porn America has ever seen? Tons of Jews driving Mercedes?

We whipped Russia's ass, everybody loves vodka now...more so than Raymond. It's even flavored for the 'tweens.

Britain and Canada...America's twin sons. We steal all their comedians and TV shows and make them better..Tom Green being the exception.

The South is in much better shape than the North these days. NASCAR is huge everywhere. We even succeed when we kick our own ass! That's how great this country is.

So before we weaken ourselves even further in the eyes of the Arab world by holding congressional hearings on the wedgie, let's make examples of the soldiers who have bravely farted in the face of evil by giving them medals that they can bring back home so John Kerry can toss them over a fence.

TOMORROW: MORE GOOD NEWS DISGUISED AS BAD

[IMG]http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2004/04/30/image614954x.jpg[/IMG] "I'm gonna win that immunity idol, dammit."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abuse; alittlelitehazing; bush; iraq; iraqipow; rodneyking; rumsfeld; torture; war
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To: Long Cut
Wow!! I was just writing an e-mail about this and I may quote you on a couple of fine points you made and I hope you do not mind. All credit to you for putting what I was thinking into words.

Thanks
RB

101 posted on 05/05/2004 6:26:25 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (I'll vote Republican till the day I die then I'll vote democrat.)
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To: Eaker; Long Cut
THANK YOU for the ping Eaker! This post was well worth seeing.

LongCut, what you have written allows us to experience with you, the anger and outrage of all of our good and honorable defenders of freedom.

Thank you for sharing this with us. It's as if you gave us a special view into the heart and soul of a hero.


We continue to stand with you all.
102 posted on 05/05/2004 6:26:58 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: Eaker
Their top seargeant was, in civilian life, a PRISON GUARD. I wonder if he was "acting out" what he wanted to do to the cons he has to guard?

He wanted to have that one chance to be a "tough Screw". I hope the SOB was canned from his job at the hoosegow for this.

No matter what, he can't claim ignorance, not before the court martial, anyway. Unlike civilian courts, a Court Martial can smell bull**it a mile away.

103 posted on 05/05/2004 6:28:39 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: texasflower
I'm no hero, TF. I'm just a Sailor, trying to do his job. And I'm ROYALLY pi$$ed that some goofballs with too much free time and too much "Jackass" made it harder. I'm even more pi$$ed that their commanding officers and NCO's were too damned comfy-cozy in their cushy rear-echelon jobs to do anything about it.

And I'm OUTRAGED that a General Officer has the low character to try to babyface her way out of it by laying it all off on others.

104 posted on 05/05/2004 6:33:06 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: Rightly Biased
I don't mind at all. Spread the Word!
105 posted on 05/05/2004 6:34:18 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: Long Cut
HUGE BUMP.

This should really be posted as a thread of its own. :-)

Thank you and all those who serve or have served with honor.
106 posted on 05/05/2004 6:38:35 PM PDT by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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To: boxerblues; Texasforever
#60 and on down..from active duty Freeper.
107 posted on 05/05/2004 6:38:59 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Bump.
108 posted on 05/05/2004 6:40:51 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: MEG33
Thanks for the ping. Many active duty military are equally disguted by this. The image of Americas Military was taking a turn for the better since the days of Vietnam. This incident will only serve those like Jf'nK who said so many years ago that they are war criminal committing crimes against humanity.
109 posted on 05/05/2004 6:43:40 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: MEG33
Meg I saw it and he had good points. The only problem, I have is with no answer about context or timing of events. We don't know who the prisoners in the pictures were. We don't know what if any information we were trying to get from them. It is one thing for on-duty guys to be outraged and I applaud them for that but we have been in a high intensity guerrilla war over there and the folks handling prisoners also have a mission to get information as fast as possible. As I said, there may be a valid reason OR it may have just been a group of sick SOBs being SOBs. I haven't made up my mind yet and can't until I get the context that goes along with the pictures. I am more concerned about a possible command over reaction that leads to less effective intelligence on the ground.
110 posted on 05/05/2004 6:47:30 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: stuartcr
One thing we can be assured of...the lowest ranked person will be found guilty.

And the punishment for the commissioned officers will be that they will be "forced" to take retirement. Sure, "punish" them by paying them 38K a year for the rest of their lives.

111 posted on 05/05/2004 6:47:50 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: boxerblues
My post to Long Cut was that we must not allow another Kerry arise to paint all with a broad brush,not ever.
112 posted on 05/05/2004 6:48:32 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: No Truce With Kings
A much higher percentage of people will engage in maltreatment and maybe even commit atrocities under certain circumstances than most of us believe. Many studies after WWII by Stanley Milgram and others have concluded this, and their experiments have been replicated over three decades and always come to essentially the same conclusions. Now that's just good scientific data, and useless if nobody converts it into plain talk which organizations can use. The plain talk is that ambivalence about personal responsibility, peer pressure, and inadequate guidance and supervision from superiors is likely to lead to incidents such as is currently being decried about a third of the time. Almost anyone who has been to a War College and many who have done graduate work in management would have studied Milgram, and practically anyone who has taken even Psychology or Sociology 101 would be somewhat familiar with Milgram's work--the Obedience to Authority Experiments; the Stanford Prison Experiment, etc.

The perpetrators can not be excused for what they have done, and will be prosecuted, to be sure, and if found guilty, punished. On the other hand, either officers and policy makers were ignorant or inept or both not to have put better procedures and policies into place. Anyone who has ever run anything-- military or civilian--knows the word supervision, and the basic fact that if you don't supervise, policies, procedures, etc. mean little, and accomplish less. Training helps, too, but hanging a bunch of snuffies without the officers-in-charge being punished even more severely for inadequate supervision would be a travesty of justice, IMHO.

If anyone's interested in Stanley Milgram's research, just go to Google or any other major search engine and enter his name. His research has held up amazingly, especially since it implies that many who criticize maltreatment very likely might do the same thing under similar circumstances.

On the other hand, there are plenty who wouldn't, and the whistle-blower apparently came from the same unit as the perpetrators.

Conclusion: when there is a situation where some people are given great power over others, some will abuse their power if not closely supervised. Be wise, supervise.
113 posted on 05/05/2004 6:49:27 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Long Cut
I couldn't have said it better. Everyone in my squadron I've talked to feels the exact same. This is an absolute disgrace to the military.

Those involved have no idea how much they have screwed up things over there. The Muslim nutcases will use this as "proof" that all US military personnel are like this. Arabs are already too easy to convince with propaganda and conspiracy theories. We did not need some dumbass pictures being broadcast across the Arab world. I also want to know who the mentally deficient moron was that decided it was a good idea to take pictures. Pictures in the military always have a bad habit of turning up.

114 posted on 05/05/2004 6:49:49 PM PDT by scarface367 (This tagline close captioned for the hearing impaired)
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To: Long Cut
BG Janis Karpinski if you dug deep enough you would find that she was a DACOWITS Dame. Got there because of D-I-V-E-R-S-I-T-Y and the power of the NAGs. Check out the raosting she's in for in front of a Courts Martial here: "Raw data : Pentagon Report on Abuse"
115 posted on 05/05/2004 6:50:43 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat; Forevertexas; mathurine
Great link here.
116 posted on 05/05/2004 6:51:57 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Texasforever; MEG33; Poohbah; Eaker; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; hchutch; All
TF, the answers you seek are ON THIS THREAD. It's the actual Pentagon investigative report. Bring a strong stomach, this went WAY BEYOND what you've heard about.

These animals don't just need to do time...they need Psyche Evals!

117 posted on 05/05/2004 6:58:50 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: slim mackerel
Does anyone remember that Jessica Lynch as well as other female POW's (in Gulf War I) were raped? Lynch was even sodomized. Of course we don't have the pictures for CNN to repeatedly televise but these things happended just the same. I'm not excusing what those troops did at the prison but the Arab world is only outraged when their swarthy brothers are undergoing what weekly occurs at Frat parties across this great nation. And the rest of the world is just as hypocritical. France harbors a child molestor(Roman Polanski)and dares judge us?
118 posted on 05/05/2004 7:03:08 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: SandRat
Yep, just saw it and linked to it myself. I also bookmarked it.

Her ass is going to be GRASS, and the Judge Advocate General will have the lawnmower.

She did NOTHING to see that policies from above, and even herself, were followed. Once again, she paid "lip service" only.

And the torture went WAY beyond the "fraternity prank" stuff...flat-out into rape and physical torture for fun.

One NCO, for example, was said to have raped a 15-year-old female detainee.

119 posted on 05/05/2004 7:03:53 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: dmz
NO ONE--In the Military, or our "Government"--HAS EVER (NOT EVER) accepted the "Behavior" shown on those "Interrogation Video's!!"

THAT FACT has been LONG KNOWN by our Military.

So, HOW could such Abberent Behavior Exist--Especially Since SUCH BEHAVIOR is "EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN BY" American PROTOCOL!!??

This WHOLE INCIDENT "SMELLS!!"

This "Incident" "SMELLS LIKE" a "SETUP!!"

This Wouldn't be the First Time that the "Islamo-Nazi's" have attempted to "Frame" Legitimate Citizens to "Prove" that Honest Human Behavior is NOT a "Proper Outcome" of Human Endeavor.

Doc

120 posted on 05/05/2004 7:05:44 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
See post #117, and read the story at the link. This was WAY MORE than "fraternity pranks", which it was more than, anyway. Frat pledges can just quit at any time.

There was actual beatings, rape, sexual abuse, and real physical torture, all being done NOT to extract information, NOT to prevent attacks against Americans, but just for the sick, perverted fun of those doing it.

Just because Jessica Lynch was raped DOES NOT give American Soldiers the right to rape Iraqis, or any other prisoners. In fact, it gives us all the more reason to NOT be like them.

121 posted on 05/05/2004 7:07:45 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: Doc On The Bay
Hit the link at #117. It's no setup, and most of those involved have confessed.
122 posted on 05/05/2004 7:08:52 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: MACVSOG68
The female soldier doing the pointing is not a dyke. She is pregnant to the soldier standing behind her with his arms crossed.
It seems the MI is behind this. Perhaps the photos were to be released to the Arabs to give them something to fear. They don't fear death, they welcome it. They do fear humiliation.
123 posted on 05/05/2004 7:09:41 PM PDT by Momma Lou
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To: Momma Lou
They don't fear death, they welcome it. They do fear humiliation.

In Karbala last night, there were many who feared death more than humiliation. They surrendered.

124 posted on 05/05/2004 7:12:14 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: slim mackerel
I don't think this is funny at all, I think it's disgusting.

Americans should always, always, conduct themselves with honor. This is a huge black eye for us and I am disgusted beyond belief.

I'm also disappointed in the number of people on this forum who agree with you.

Think before you post.
125 posted on 05/05/2004 7:13:23 PM PDT by CamelRiding4U
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To: SandRat; LoudRepublicangirl; Doc On The Bay; All
"6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following acts:

a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;
b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;
c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;
d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;
e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear;
f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;
g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;
h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;
i. (S) Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;
k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;
l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;
m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

(ANNEXES 25 and 26)

7.(U) These findings are amply supported by written confessions provided by several of the suspects, written statements provided by detainees, and witness statements. In reaching my findings, I have carefully considered the pre-existing statements of the following witnesses and suspects (ANNEX 26):

a. (U) SPC Jeremy Sivits, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
b. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company – Suspect
c. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
d. (U) PFC Lynndie R. England, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
e. (U) Adel Nakhla, Civilian Translator, Titan Corp., Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade- Suspect
f. (Names deleted)

8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses (ANNEX 26):

a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;
b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;
d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;
e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;
f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;
g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.
h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

Right, "fraternity pranks". These bastards are sex offenders, who gave free reign to their perversions over there!

126 posted on 05/05/2004 7:16:06 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
You are wrong..go to the link above that shows the abuse.It is not a prank and the command structure was the pits..#117 the pictures do not depict all by a long shot and #60 should be read if you missed it.
127 posted on 05/05/2004 7:23:39 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Eaker
Thank you for the ping, Eaker. I have been on the Troop Prayer thread since the 'wars' started. I pray every day for our Troops and those who did this don't deserve to be called "Our Troops".
128 posted on 05/05/2004 7:25:16 PM PDT by potlatch ( Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: Long Cut
There is much sadness and shame in the ranks today.

Never have so few hurt so many.

I do demand that they get the max and I grieve with you that our job has gotten so much harder.

I hope and pray that the damage is temporary and that some sort of normal returns.

It is good to know that after reading the AR-15 report, that the investigator made a point of saying that many MPs did a outstanding job in this brigade, even without the supervision that they should have had and that they were a credit to the service.

With that in mind, we shall all go forward and finish this mission with honor. That is what we did during the Nam era when the very same Mr. Hersh broke the story of Mei Li.

That fellows name is burned into my mind. (Mr. Seymore Hersh) The so called journalist.

129 posted on 05/05/2004 7:26:53 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs)
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To: Long Cut
Interesting how some of the charges are marked (S), i.e. Secret. I bet this was not intended to be released to the press.
130 posted on 05/05/2004 7:31:41 PM PDT by scarface367 (This tagline close captioned for the hearing impaired)
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To: commish
Ping to 60. I used some of that report here as well...some people just don't get it.
131 posted on 05/05/2004 7:32:43 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: wirestripper
Bless you..I went over and read the report.Take care and thank you for serving our country.There is a certain female General trolling the TV for support.She could not run a day camp.
132 posted on 05/05/2004 7:35:45 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: potlatch; Squantos
You are welcome. I have never pinged the "BIG" list before. If you want on my regular ping list let me know. It is a low volume, but kinda goofy list. I am a nut. I am pinging Squantos to verify that I am a nut!!!!

You can trust him!!!???!!!

Tom Eaker

133 posted on 05/05/2004 7:36:24 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
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To: MEG33
I think that they have enough for a courts marshal, but I don't know if it is enough to do time.

I would like to see her in prison because everything seemed to stem from her decisions, or more likely the lack of them.

She is in total denial and has been from the beginning.(broke down during interview by investigators)

A real piece of work.

134 posted on 05/05/2004 7:42:08 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs)
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To: scarface367
Thank you for serving our country.
135 posted on 05/05/2004 7:43:02 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: wirestripper
She is not doing herself any good with the appearances.I was turned off by her complete shifting of the blame.
136 posted on 05/05/2004 7:46:02 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: wirestripper
"I think that they have enough for a courts marshal, but I don't know if it is enough to do time."

You can bet that it is, especially when the President of the United States says that he's disgusted by all this, and has to go on TV to apologize because of it; and when SecDef has Congress calling for his head.

Just imagine what the President said to Secretary Rumsfeld and the Joint Chiefs yesterday, in private. Karpinski's life has, shall we say, come to a fork in the road, big time.

137 posted on 05/05/2004 7:46:24 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: MEG33
"She is not doing herself any good with the appearances.I was turned off by her complete shifting of the blame."

It outraged every single Officer I know. Her ass-saving routine has done great damage to the credibility of the Officer class, especially the higher ranks. They know it, too.

Just ANOTHER reason why her court-martial will be something to watch.

138 posted on 05/05/2004 7:48:59 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: Long Cut
That report was devastating about her "command".
139 posted on 05/05/2004 7:49:08 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: bin2baghdad
[The left has] been waiting for an excuse to spit on us and call us baby-killers. Everyone KNOWS how it will play in the Arab world. That's why I'm more pissed right now at the people who did this than at the left or press or the UN or al-Jazeera. Their response is predictable. Because their response is predictable, the guilty soldiers are responsible for more than simply violating our American values of human decency; they've increased the risk for every soldier on the ground and made it much more difficult to achieve the mission.

EXACTLY CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THIS STATEMENT. B2B is the kinda moral SOB I expect from this country. End of story.

(But this article was needed comic relief, too.)

140 posted on 05/05/2004 7:50:30 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Long Cut
I sure hope so. The charges need to be made soon.

I personaly want to see twenty. IMO.

141 posted on 05/05/2004 7:50:59 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs)
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To: pabianice
Please explain how these "atrocities" are in any way worse than what is done during that most vicious of rituals, fraternity hell week.

Didn't Kerry do worse in the Viet Nam war?

142 posted on 05/05/2004 7:52:44 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: M1Tanker
"So, Mr, Mrs, (and whatever I missed) World, excuse me if I can't show the "universal revulsion" the world socialists, tyrants, terrorists and leftists show now, but seem to forget about when the atrocities happen to Americans or Isrealies."

You're not in the minority here. I'm on board completely. Fix it and move on. This isn't a mountain. It's a molehill.
143 posted on 05/05/2004 7:53:15 PM PDT by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Long Cut
"30 years ago, Richard Nixon (who, although he may NOT have been personally responsible for the conduct of his surrogates) rsigned rather than bring dishonor to his office."


I'll agree with that, but don't send amateurs to do a professional's job. It's that simple.
144 posted on 05/05/2004 7:55:09 PM PDT by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
I'm not excusing what those troops did at the prison but the Arab world is only outraged when their swarthy brothers are undergoing what weekly occurs at Frat parties across this great nation. And the rest of the world is just as hypocritical.

Some of it was on the level of Frat Party pranks but there were some incidents that appear to be torture and rape and Freepers should be angry with that.

But, I agree there is a lot of biased rage in the world, from many Arabs, from many global socialists and from Democrats here in the U.S.

Where's the world outrage with what happened to this family?

Damn, it's already forgotten.

145 posted on 05/05/2004 7:56:51 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Long Cut
I just spent 30 minutes reading the entire report. There is NO excuse for what happened. I withdraw all objections.
146 posted on 05/05/2004 7:58:00 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Eaker
Sure Eaker, you can put me on your list and I'll reply when I'm interested. OK? Carol
147 posted on 05/05/2004 7:58:16 PM PDT by potlatch ( Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: Momma Lou
It seems the MI is behind this.

Could you provide a link. I did not see that in the DOD report released.

148 posted on 05/05/2004 8:02:47 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Long Cut
Karpinski's life has, shall we say, come to a fork in the road, big time

Did you know any of the details surrounding the bronze star she won in Gulf War 1?

149 posted on 05/05/2004 8:08:12 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker
Did you = Do you
150 posted on 05/05/2004 8:08:38 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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