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WHO WAS HUMILIATED MORE, PARRIS ISLAND RECRUITS OR IRAQ PRISONERS? (Warning, strong lauguage/images)
self | 7-May-04 | RaceBannon

Posted on 05/07/2004 2:26:54 PM PDT by RaceBannon

All right.

That does it.

I am going to say it.

EVERYONE who ever went to boot camp was humiliated more than these people were in Baghdad.

And I mean EVERYONE!


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KEYWORDS: abuse; boot; camp; iraq; iraqipow; island; marines; parris; parrisisland; semperfi; usmc
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I am sick to death of hearing how abusive this treatment was to these prisoners.

We were treated worse at Boot Camp than these people were.

And every veteran here knows it.

And NONE of us are asking for the president of our time period to apologize to us for it, either!

I may have never had to simulate sex acts with other men, but I did see men ordered to simulate masturbation with a hot dog, seen men cry about having to wet their pants, seen men humiliated over dear john letters in front of the platoon...

And since I was in Parris Island in the late 70's, I went through one of the easiest times Parris Island ever saw.

The 1960's Marine Corps vets and Army Vets are invited to post what happened in their platoons to show America and the world just what abuse is: BOOT CAMP IS ABUSE>

Scaring people who were trying to kill you is not abuse!

1 posted on 05/07/2004 2:26:55 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon; kdf1; AMERIKA; Lancey Howard; MudPuppy; SMEDLEYBUTLER; opbuzz; Snow Bunny; ...
Mere words cannot erase these images.

And I dont hear the Arab or Muslim world apologizing to us for these acts, either, I hear them rejoicing over it!

2 posted on 05/07/2004 2:29:21 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon
Race, read my tag line. 'Nuff said.
3 posted on 05/07/2004 2:30:15 PM PDT by Poohbah (We are at war with them. We are not them.)
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To: RaceBannon
Parris Island has to win hands down! My son graduated Parris Island, I was happy to see him alive and standing on the parade ground.
4 posted on 05/07/2004 2:31:30 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9 (aut viam inveniam aut faciam (where there is a will - there is a way)
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To: RaceBannon

5 posted on 05/07/2004 2:32:22 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon
But your a Marine. There is a difference.
6 posted on 05/07/2004 2:32:31 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: RaceBannon
Bump for later. I'm gonna fry some libs with those photos.
7 posted on 05/07/2004 2:34:03 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: RaceBannon
The pre-basic physical was, without a doubt, a very traumatic time. I was forced to stand in a line of about 50 naked guys, while the doctor poked, prodded, and made us caugh.

"Bend over and spread your cheeks" was the command.

"Small b**ls, this man has small b**ls", one doc shouted, when examining one of the 17 year olds.

I was fortunate, but still embarrassed. I was 20 at the time, and had seen a good portion of the world.

Some of the kids just broke down and cried.

One failed because he had big boobs. He was led out of the room crying, too.

That was the medical exam just prior to raising our arms and taking the oath.
8 posted on 05/07/2004 2:37:50 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Poohbah
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9 posted on 05/07/2004 2:38:26 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon
Just out of curiousity, did the DIs ever sodomize recruits with chemlights and broomsticks?

Taguba found the allegation "credible." That's JAGMAN-speak for "conviction guaranteed at court-martial."
10 posted on 05/07/2004 2:40:24 PM PDT by Poohbah (We are at war with them. We are not them.)
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To: RaceBannon
Drudge has a link that the pixs we've seen are the tip of the iceberg. Some of the stuff described there is pretty bad. It looks like these guards were scum.

OTOH, I wonder why those Dems (and CBSNBCNYTIMES) weren't calling for the head of Gray Davis when abuses just as bad were found in his state prisons.

11 posted on 05/07/2004 2:41:37 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Some of the GIs in question were prison guards in civilian life. You gets what you pays for......
12 posted on 05/07/2004 2:49:43 PM PDT by tracer
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To: RaceBannon
" EVERYONE who ever went to boot camp was humiliated more than these people were in Baghdad. And I mean EVERYONE! "

I just have missed Homo Eroticism Day. Or perhaps some don’t consider that as humiliating as others. [smile]

13 posted on 05/07/2004 2:51:09 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: RaceBannon
Don't know about the Marines but I had 17 weeks of infantry replacement training in wartime WW II where we learned how to shoot and defend ourselves. GIs were taught how to kill. When we captured the enemy, we never got to taking their clothes off, piling them naked and looking at their c-cks. Participating in these perversions would have been more demoralizing to us than to them.
14 posted on 05/07/2004 2:51:39 PM PDT by ex-snook (Neocon Chickenhawk for War like Liberal Cuckoo for Welfare. Both freeload.)
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To: RaceBannon
Until now I had not seen these pictures. I can't imagin...
I don't even know what to say.
These pictures you posted are REAL PERSPECTIVE!

As much as I hate "seeing" what was done by our soldiers; this is WAR and sometimes prisoners may get humiliated!

At least these Iraqi men were not burned to death, dragged through the streets, had their dead bodies hung on a bridge, had their organs spit on and kicked through the streets only to be eaten my rats, dogs while crowds cheered.

15 posted on 05/07/2004 2:51:44 PM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1
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To: RaceBannon
Boot was as worse. I was a little too ebuillient one night and a nasty female cop played some crappy games with me sorta like that white trash did.

And I pledged a frat...it was worse than that...and I didn't feed anyone into any plastic shredders or beat people with axehandles or rip tongues out or throw people off roofs or kill children in front of their mothers or any of the wonderful things Teddy Kennedy seems to want to absolve these scumbags.

PATHETIC!

16 posted on 05/07/2004 2:55:23 PM PDT by Benrand
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To: RaceBannon
I graduated July 3, 73. There were multiple internal investigations for cruelty in my platoon. The Senior "Explained" to us the correct response to any and all questions the investigators would/could possibly ask.

Then, we went back to bends and thrusts until supper time. <|:-)~~
17 posted on 05/07/2004 2:56:54 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: RaceBannon
What really offends me, is all this (*^*&%)*&%)(*_*^ apologizing all over the place!

Yeah, the treatment wasn't right, but for Pete's sakes....

"PC" is going to be the death of us all, if we don't get this touchy feely crap under control!
18 posted on 05/07/2004 2:58:17 PM PDT by Howie66 ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
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To: RaceBannon
I don't quite know how to say this but I was never at Parris Island and I may have never faced anything like this. I am an U. S. Air Force veteran and other things were done to us to accomplish what ever was needed by the Sergaents that turned you into a Marine and me into an Airman. I know I was in an unappreciated field of endeaveor but you and I are Brothers who served the most wonderful country on Gods earth. These whining socialist driven liberals can go to !#$$ about this abuse subject. If those poor abused prisoners would have had our guys prisoners, you could only imagine the abuses they would have done to them. God Bless you and all the rest of us who served the United States of America one nation under God with Liberty and Justice for all. May God watch over our younger brothers and sisters who are taking care of things now.
19 posted on 05/07/2004 2:58:34 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270)
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To: RaceBannon
We do worse to our own convicts...much worse.

The Feds will do naked boxcar on yer ass quick if you seriously misbehave.

This is a joke....we don't have the will to prevail politically.

The world is laughing at us.
20 posted on 05/07/2004 3:00:08 PM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: RaceBannon
I have vague memories of a failed platoon rifle inspection,
of hours of PT wearing ponchos in july, of the manual of arms back to back with bayonets, with foot lockers, and finally the DI asked did we want to hit the showers
and screaming "SIR YES SIR!"s and so he said "INTO THE SHOWERS.......WHAT THE HELL DO YOU GIRLS THINK YOU"RE DOING, LEAVE THOSE PONCHOS ONNNN!" Then all 90 of us in the shower doing jumping jacks with the hot water running and several bottles of ammonia thrown in for good measure.

We were packed in so tight all I could do was jump up and down a little.
Finally it was over, the nightmares hardly bother me at all nowadays.

And as you say it wasn't even the "old Corps".
From the 40s, two platoons would line off, be ordered to
remove a boot and proceed to slug the other guy with it
and no skrimshanking there!

This situation however is something different and while not
atrocities as practiced by the Baathists was wrong and people need to pay for their actions. It does not I repeat not, go to the President or Secdef any more than someone caught smoking pot or any other
breaker of the rocks and shoals. (UCMJ)
21 posted on 05/07/2004 3:00:22 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RaceBannon
OMG have I finally achieved victim status myself???!!!
22 posted on 05/07/2004 3:03:23 PM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: RaceBannon
Good job...these are the same bass turds that nerve gassed the Kurds children with glee
their women and children come out to cut up and mutilate our wounded and burn their bodies

These are the same psuedo life forms that gang sodomized our severely wounded female soldiers...

I cannot imagine having to guard this pseudo human garbage...having them fling feces at you spit on you...masturbating and flinging what ever it is thesd sub humans produce....

Without dragging them out of their cells and hosing them down, putting the cattle prods to them, and working them over with a good pair of heavy duty steel toed boots...

Now Rummy is kissing their arses...asking for their forgiveness and giving away U.S. taxpayer money to the little darlings and "setting them free"....see how fast they get their hands on a RPG or two and nail the first Humvee load of GI's they can...

Disgusting imo...
23 posted on 05/07/2004 3:07:34 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: RaceBannon
Hell's donkeys, yes!
24 posted on 05/07/2004 3:08:52 PM PDT by LibKill (Yep, we are cowboys. WYATT EARP cowboys.)
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To: joesnuffy
Thanks for the reality check...wish it were contagious.
25 posted on 05/07/2004 3:11:12 PM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: RaceBannon
I went through Paris Island in the very early 50s. Not only were people humiliated, but that place could be down right dangerous. Ever heard of Ribbon Creek? Well, I survived and am a better man for it.
26 posted on 05/07/2004 3:13:46 PM PDT by cannonball
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To: RaceBannon
On DU (yes, I admit I go there sometimes) there are threads saying that there is a picture of a 16 year old boy being raped by a guard and also that a twelve year-old girl was beaten.

The American people won't stand for kids being abused. If those pictures come to light Bush had better make the heads roll or he is toast.
27 posted on 05/07/2004 3:15:44 PM PDT by gingerky
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To: cannonball; Jim Robinson
Ask any sailor or Marine if he has been across the equator.
28 posted on 05/07/2004 3:18:07 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: tet68
I've heard of platoon football. Two platoons line up facing each other on opposite sides of the grinder. Playing both offense and defense, the goal was to run to the other goal, while hitting and tackling the opposite platoon. No football needed.
29 posted on 05/07/2004 3:18:22 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: AppyPappy
LOL - Yeah I remember - Kiss the baby's belly.
30 posted on 05/07/2004 3:20:19 PM PDT by cannonball
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To: tracer
And I believe the one guy was a prison guard from calif. They have terrible problems with their prison system, and a strong union to defend it against inquiry.
31 posted on 05/07/2004 3:20:46 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: RaceBannon
Thanks for your service to our great country.
32 posted on 05/07/2004 3:21:54 PM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W."Billy" Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: RaceBannon
Bump to that.
33 posted on 05/07/2004 3:22:57 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: Poohbah
Taguba found the allegation "credible." That's JAGMAN-speak for "conviction guaranteed at court-martial."


A lawyer is just another P.O.S. suitable for ......

Don't tell me what a lawyer says - if it came out IT's mouth it is not worth anything.

Send the lawyers to the front lines.
34 posted on 05/07/2004 3:24:32 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: steplock
Taguba isn't a lawyer.

A court-martial is the one court you absolutely want to be on if you're innocent...and the court you don't want to be near if you're guilty.
35 posted on 05/07/2004 3:25:56 PM PDT by Poohbah (We are at war with them. We are not them.)
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To: RaceBannon
Except for the locker room stuff that happened when we did swimming training at MCRD San Diego in the late 1950's, I don't recall any humiliation in boot camp (well, maybe exept for that jerk that they made wear a giant diaper made out of a bed sheet over his uniform and march in front of the platoon because he was a chronic bedwetter)that had a sexual connotation to it. Wholesale PT and mental intimidation was more the game at that time.

However, we did have one DI who had a definite penchant for punching recruits around with both a closed and open fist get shitcanned for brutality after some officer's wife saw him openly doing it on the grinder(parade ground)one afternoon and bitched to her husband about it. Personally, I was glad so see that guy go down the road, I'll tell you. Are your out there, Sergeant Thomas?

36 posted on 05/07/2004 3:27:13 PM PDT by RedsHunter ((<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure))
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To: Poohbah
Taguba isn't a lawyer

What IS a taguba then? Pardon my ignorance, but I have never heard of that word.
37 posted on 05/07/2004 3:28:24 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: steplock
What IS a taguba then? Pardon my ignorance, but I have never heard of that word.

Major General Antonio Taguba is the deputy commanding general for support, Third Army. He's an armor officer.

38 posted on 05/07/2004 3:32:03 PM PDT by Poohbah (We are at war with them. We are not them.)
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To: RaceBannon
Excellent post, Race.... thanks...

Don't we all remember.... maaaa 'an....
Semper Fi...

39 posted on 05/07/2004 3:33:06 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The answers are out there; Wisdom is found by asking the right questions)
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To: RaceBannon
Bump.

I gotta see if I can save these later
40 posted on 05/07/2004 3:35:50 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: RaceBannon
They served us tea and crumpets at Ft. Benning, as the chamber music played...

Seriously though, I did see grown men crying for thier mothers. Those were the days... Log drills under the midday July sun at scenic Harmony Church...The Body Twist, one of MY personal favorites...Heat stroke fatality in another Infantry Training Brigade, won't repeat what the DS is bout that, wasn't very civil of him...

Started with 240 recruits in the company, graduated about 130. I like to think it made a man out of me.
41 posted on 05/07/2004 3:36:10 PM PDT by Living Stone (The following statement is true: The preceeding statement is false.)
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To: LibKill
It will take an organized effort to assemble true patriotic military veterans and like minded people to counter the left's continued attempts to destroy this great nation. I am afraid if it is not done soon the damage will be so great we will not be able to recover.

Look what the self-serving democraps have done with the "prisoner abuse" incident. As bad as it is it was amplified to the world stage for one purpose, and that was to attack President Bush and his administration.

The abuse of prisoners of war is a crime and it should never have happened, especially by the hands of American soldiers. The explotation of this terrible crime by the left wing democraps is more serious than a crime, it is treason.

42 posted on 05/07/2004 3:37:05 PM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: Poohbah
Just out of curiousity, did the DIs ever sodomize recruits with chemlights and broomsticks?

Some were whipped with rifle cleaning rods, beaten with fists and rifle butts across the cheeks, does that count?

43 posted on 05/07/2004 3:37:58 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: AppyPappy
I'm a shellback.

We crawled through food stuff, urine, shit

We were beaten with the sheleighlies (sp?)

And then next year, we did it to the next group of WOGS!
44 posted on 05/07/2004 3:41:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Dead Dog
We used to call it Combat Football and usually when the game was over someone had a broken arm, or a minimum puffed eyes from someone sucker punching him, especially if that person was not well liked.
45 posted on 05/07/2004 3:50:36 PM PDT by Recon by Fire
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To: RaceBannon
I have fond memories of guys being put in wall lockers which were buried in the ground and then the wall lockers were filled up with water and many other things that I probably shouldn't mention...so I won't.
46 posted on 05/07/2004 3:56:37 PM PDT by Recon by Fire
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To: RaceBannon
PI aug-nov 75
i'm sick at the whiners shrill lies,just political hacks!
dashle,kerry,clinton and on and on.
would not have made it off the bus,much less then the yellow footprints.
SEMPER FI
GODSPEED
47 posted on 05/07/2004 4:03:44 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 (saved by GRACE and GRACE alone)
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To: RaceBannon
This is another one of those ridiculous posts that avoids facing the obvious; we, as a nation, screwed up. Those prisoners were our responsiblity and we devolved into some weird, perverted sadism that shames all of the good things we have done so far to win freedom for the Iraqis.

I went through bootcamp in the mid-60s and as goofy as that was, we all knew it would be done in 13 weeks. We also knew that there was a reason for the stress and the craziness and that was to prepare us for war.

Even when the enemy commits some act of barbarity, it does not mean that we should become garbage too.

That is what those troops at that prison were: garbage. That goes double for the "leaders" that knew/encouraged what happened there. They were criminals and they have dragged down all of those good people that have risked and given everything to defend our nation and to win over the Iraqis. How many more good men and women will lose their lives now, because some rear-area perverts decided to use helpless prisoners for their personal enjoyment?

48 posted on 05/07/2004 4:08:02 PM PDT by USMCVet
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To: Poohbah
Major General Antonio Taguba is the deputy commanding general for support, Third Army. He's an armor officer.

He should be retired as Captain Taguba.

49 posted on 05/07/2004 4:23:12 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: RaceBannon
Semper Fi brother.
50 posted on 05/07/2004 4:27:18 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Stan Barnes for Congress (http://www.stanbarnes.com/))
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