Parents of Terri Schindler-Schiavo Told to Pay to See Their Daughter

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Parents of Terri Schindler-Schiavo Told to Pay to See Their Daughter

Clearwater, FL May 7, 2004: In yet another bizarre twist of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo case, the Schindler family was informed that they must now pay a fee for “security” each time that they want to visit their daughter.

On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, Deborah Bushnell of Dunedin, an attorney representing Michael Schiavo, faxed a letter to attorneys representing the parents of Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

In her communication, Ms. Bushnell recommended that Ms. Schiavo's parents could be permitted to visit their disabled daughter if they would agree to hire an off-duty police person to accompany them. This comes after attorney Patricia Anderson, who represents Ms. Schiavo's parents, filed a Writ of Quo Warranto, demanding that Mr. Schiavo demonstrate what authority he has to deny his wife visits from her immediate family. Should the Schindlers fail to pay, they would be denied visitation rights.

Ms. Schiavo currently has an off-duty police person, paid for by Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, assigned to her on a 24 hour a day basis. Additionally, the Schindlers have reported that, during their visits, nursing staff frequently enter their daughter's room.

Ms. Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, have not been permitted to visit her since March 29, 2004 (39 days), when attorney George Felos of Dunedin issued a press release stating that suspicious marks were found on her arm. A toxicology study conducted on Ms. Schiavo concluded that no unauthorized chemicals were found in her system. Ms. Schiavo's parents, along with her siblings, had attempted to visit her the following day at Park Place Assisted Living and were turned away by nursing staff in compliance with "Mr. Schiavo's orders".

Statement of Attorney Patricia Anderson:

By recommending that the financially-strapped Schindlers may only visit Terri if they pay yet another off-duty police person to accompany them, is an effort to inhibit them from freely seeing their own daughter. A couple of years ago, Michael Schiavo contacted Terri's parents and offered to give the balance of Terri's money over to charity. He and his attorneys used this a talking point for the media - claiming that Michael had no financial interest in Terri's death. What they neglected to mention was that that particular offer was predicated upon the Schindler's agreeing to Terri's dehydration and starvation death.

This latest tactic from Ms. Bushnell is really no different. I will not be surprised if Ms. Bushnell uses this as another talking point with the media in an attempt to make her and her client appear less cruel.

No mother should have to pay an admission fee to see her child on Mother's Day. Perhaps Ms. Bushnell has forgotten how most people spend Mother's Day."

[floriduh voter]

Please wish all of the mothers that are helping Terri a Happy Mothers Day.

I wish everyone knew how grateful my family is for everything that everyone is doing to help Terri - they are all truly a Blessing and a Gift to Terri from God, because Lord knows we could never do this ourselves.

xxxxx Terri's Brother

[cyn]

How very sweet of him. I really appreciate that kind and thoughtful note.

I am a mother who is blessed to tuck my children into bed at night and to care for them as they need it. I hurt for Mrs. Schindler, who is denied that simple opportunity.

May God keep Terri and her family safe and well until they can be reunited. May He -- please -- soften the hard hearts so that those involved will just do their jobs as they are supposed to, and protect Terri from further harm.

[FR_addict]

I bet they'd be able to find off-duty police officers who would offer to do it for free. They should contact the local police department and ask for volunteers.

I think you have a good idea.

Maybe we should all call the police department and ask them to have one of their men perform this duty as part of the investigation into the case they are supposedly conducting about the needle marks. That way they can investigate the Schindlers up close and personal and Michael can't claim the Schindlers harmed Terri.

This story is getting sicker and sicker. How the Schindlers are able to cope with Michael's evilness is beyond me.

[TOUGH STOUGH]

You would think that a case could be filed on Terri's behalf to divorce Michael based on the grounds of adultery. Apparently it can't be done, because it is her guardian who has to initiate it and her guardian is Michael.

[Future Useless Eater]

The freeper you argued with is one of the strongest proponent of legalizing ALL drugs. (his posting history makes that quite obvious).
Here is one of his more lucid posts where he doesn't hide his true beliefs behind incessant legalese or verbal obfuscation...
      "I want the legalization of drugs because the WOD [war on drugs] is causing Constitutional protections to erode in our country."

So, to comment in general, on ALL disruptors LIKE HIM, and to phrase this in typical disruptor style....
There is at least a 50% chance a freeper like this is HIMSELF a USER of hard drugs. And if so, then there is at least a 50% chance that a freeper like this would choose a SATURDAY NIGHT to get stoned/high/whatever. After all, he might not be able to perform well in court the next day if he snorted or shot up on a weeknight. Wouldn't that help explain someone's rediculous illogic and inability to focus past his own computer monitor?

[Future Useless Eater]

>>[to the blueapple guy]Tell me, why are you defending this judge's behavior?

Feel free to decide for yourselves if you think our blueapple Felos-supporter is a lawyer or a federal judge. In one of his posts, he cites 17 federal cases, much like a lawyer or judge would...

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38b452e44858.htm#261 (post 261)

[fiesti]

I am a Little disgusted right now... I come here to find out the latest on Terri and find a whole lotta debate going on with a troll who by the way wants Terri dead.....Why don't we all just ignore TROLL B GONE

[Future Useless Eater]

>>But Christopher Reeves and Stephen Hawking also cannot survive without physical help from others. Therefore, according to you, they must not want to live and therefore shouldn't.

Our blueapple visitor posted the following PUBLICLY on the Carla Iyer affidavit thread...

"What happens when there is no written request? My wifes father was in a vegetative state after having suffered a stroke. My wife's family had to make the decision to let him die without support. They did."

I will leave it to others with better psychology training to tell us if this could be affecting his attitude toward Terri.

I am sorry Mr. Terrell had never heard of the excellent results Dr. Hammesfahr has achieved with helping completely vegetative stroke victims to recover some or most of their functioning. The same doctor that offered to treat Terri for free.

[TOUGH STOUGH]

Thank you for the reply, FL_engineer. Your new found information explains a lot.

I had a friend in a similar situation with her father-in-law. They removed the feeding tube. We got into a discussion last year about feeding tubes, which got rather heated and she told me about the decision they made regarding her father-in-law. She said it was his time to die. I know a discussion with her about Terri would go much the same. She doesn't believe in feeding tubes, period. It seems that WT has the same mindset.

Devices like those that have helped Stephen Hawking would be good for folks like Terri, and victims of strokes like another poster subtley suggested. But perhaps if Terri could receive therapy, she wouldn't even need a device. I hate the hopeless situation Terri has been plunged into when there is indeed ample reason for hope in her case.

From the bottom of my heart I thank all those like yourself who have done so much on her behalf. You are all truly quite remarkable. : )

[yesnettv]

The point about the brain transplant is you need to undergo major deprogramming.

[Future Useless Eater]

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[TheSpottedOwl]

The war on drugs is a complete failure when you look at the "stated goal" of the mission. This poster you are referring to has nerve to even mention the erosion of constitutional protections, while calling for a fellow human being to be cruelly put to death.

On a personal note, I don't care if the stuff becomes legal, because people will buy the stuff anyway. I've spent the last 25 years in neighborhoods watching the drug trade, and who benefits. The criminals and the government, that's who.

Don't let this red herring lead you astray. Anyone can come up with an online persona, and a set of beliefs. The guy could be drowning his liver in single malt Scotch for all we know. This particular poster is nauseating, and he's doing it on purpose. That's why I didn't do a total smackdown on him this morning. I smell a rat. Perhaps the presence of trolls on the Terri threads could have a positive meaning. It means we're making headway, albeit frustratingly slow, but small gains are better than no gains at all.

This is a public forum, and anyone can view our posts. I'm sure that many of our opponenents on various issues mine this site for various reasons. That is a hazard of free speech on the internet. We cannot let trolls keep us from doing what we feel is right. There is a woman who needs our help. Will we all succeed? That depends on God's plan, not a troll.

[William Terrell]

I had abondoned this thread after I posted my opinions and realized this cause had reached farmers with pitchforks witch buring stage.

I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I'm sorry you assign all sorts of absurd assumptions about me as a result of it.

FL_engineer, how can you think clearly when you are hysterical? Here, here's two apples for you, which must mean I'm spying on you twice. Get a grip man.

[William Terrell]

Would you like to make your accusations to me? And defend them? I'm calling you out. Here, now. Put up or shut up.

[William Terrell]

It appears that my questions and comments have disturbed the lot of you. FL_engineer went off the deep end.

I'll tell you where I'm coming from on this Shiavo issue, and you can like it or not, agree with it or not.

To me, this is not about a judge, Mr. Shiavo, the Schindlers or any other player or misplayer.

I'm nearing 60. The chance that I may find myself in a similar shape as Terri Shiavo is a possibliity, and becomes more a possibility as I get older.

The thought that I may be trapped in a minimally living body, with endless days of mere existence, with no way out except death, with a lot of people who do not know me working overtime to keep me from going to my Lord makes me afraid and angry.

And questions to you all are based on these considerations. I believe in God. I believe in an afterlife. I wonder if many of you here do, too.

The Shiavo situaltion has the positive effect of motivating me to get a living will. My pity and compassion goes out to Mrs. Shiavo, who was too young to think of such a thing.

That's all I have to say. Blessings on you, and take it or leave it.

[pc93]

This is Terri's 42nd day of forced isolation from her parents, siblings,
priest, those who love her and her 1491st day confined to just a single
small room by Hospice of the Florida Suncoast (give or take a few days
of having to be in the hospital from neglect and almost being
dehydrated/starved to death).

Just when you thought the bottom of the barrel was being reached. now there
is a fax from Michael Schiavo's attorney Deborah Bushnell that the
Schindlers could be permitted to visit their daughter if they pay for an off
duty police officer to accompany them (arranged by Deborah Bushnell & Co. of
course):

                     Deborah A. Bushnell
                          Attorney
                     204 Scotland Street
                      Dunedin, FL 34698
                     Phone: (727)733-9064


By Facsimile: (727) 898-4903

                                                   May 06, 2004

Patricia Fields Anderson, Esq.
447 Third Avenue N., Suite 405
St. Petersburg, FL  33701

Re: Schiavo, Theresa - #1834 -Guardianship

Dear Pat:

I received your fax dated May 4, 2004.

We inquired of Hospice as to whether they would allow their
security officers to be in the room during Robert and Mary
Schindlers' visitation.  To date, we have not received their
consent to this arrangement, and it does not seem likely that
such an arrangement can be made with them in the near future.

In the interim, the Schindlers may visit Terri in the presence
of a security officer.  However, we would have to make private
security options.  If your clients are agreeable to paying the
cost of such supervision, please let us know, and we will
follow up to make arrangements for the visitation and let you
know the cost.


                                          Sincerely,



                                          <signed>
                                          Deborah A. Bushnell


cc Michael Schiavo
   George J. Felos, Esq.
   Scott P. Swope, Esq.

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Terri is denied any extensive/comprehensive range of motion therapy or any
kind of therapies that could make her better. Terri is not terminal yet
Michael Schiavo is trying hard to make it so. AHCA's April 1st investigation
didn't see anything wrong with Terri's teeth yet shortly after their
investigation 5 teeth were completely removed from her mouth, with no
restorative work considered. How could the AHCA not have noticed anything
wrong? The surveyors notes of this investigation are a must read. They show
to what lengths Hospice of Florida Suncoast, Michael Schiavo, etc. are going
to deceive investigators to cover up the fraud and criminal neglect they are
committing upon Terri, the people of Florida, United States and the world.
The AHCA appears to be complicit in aiding and abetting these crimes. These
Chapter 119 documents are available upon request.

There is a big question: WHAT ARE YOU AND YOUR FEDERAL AND
STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS DOING ABOUT BRINGING THE
PERPETRATORS TO JUSTICE? Contact the senators for your district and
ask them what can be done, there are any number of actions that can be
taken.

Contact as many people as you can (governmental and non-governmental)
about Terri's plight. Make stickers, bumper stickers, licence plates,
posters, etc.

Be creative, do take action.

"Petition for State protective custody for Terri" (please get the petition
information out to as many peoples as possible)
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/chisana7/

"Saving Terri Schiavo"
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/19461949/

Laws being broken:
http://zimp.org/

Petition for Governor Bush to put Terri in protective custody:
http://www.petitiononline.com/chisana7/petition.html

Connect the Dots ... for Terri
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1130771/posts?page=11#11

http://www.terrisfight.org
 

[Ohioan from Florida]

Look, as to your last post, I'd like to comment. If you so desire to not be trapped in a "minimally living body,with endless days of mere existence..." I have no problem with that, and I doubt other posters here feel any differently. You are free to choose what you wish for yourself! Get that living will if that would make you feel better.

In my opinion, and while I can only speak for myself, there are many here who object to the way the Florida law has been handled in Terri's case. The law allowing Michael to remove her feeding tube is being retoactively applied to Terri as if she could mind-read forward 9 years ahead of her collapse! How could she have known or consented to something which wasn't brought up (even in the law) by the time of her collapse? She couldn't have...no one could have.

If Terri would never have wanted to live hooked up to "tubes", and Michael was aware of this...why, oh why would he have had her resuscitated and hooked up to a feeding tube all those years ago? When she came out of her coma, she used to be able to swallow, she could eat small amounts. It is not up to us to decide if Terri would want to live or die. The law tells us clearly that if she she responds, she cannot have that feeding tube removed unless there is clear and convincing evidence that proves she would want to have it removed.

Furthermore, although she may not wish to live hooked up to "tubes", it is not mutally excluded that she may wish to relearn to swallow. She may wish to at least have liquid nutrition by mouth. Terri swallows her own drool. Just because she can't eat orally right now doesn't mean that her feeding tube should be removed without giving her the chance to try. Maybe Terri wants hope. Maybe Michael is taking away Terri's hope. He does not have that right! None of us do.

Terri has had many opportunities to move on to the afterlife if she and God both desired that outcome. Modern medicine is not keeping her from going. It may have kept her from going back in 1990, but it is not keeping her from going now. If Terri were to have a heart attack, or kidney failure, or lung failure, etc, etc, no one would suggest that Terri be resuscitated. That would be keeping her alive indefinitely. But a feeding tube such as the kind that Terri has (yes, there are different types) is not a modern medical device.

If you are so upset that Terri is leading a minimally-existent life, perhaps you should be more concerned that her so-called "husband" and guardian does not allow her to be removed from her room via wheelchair (which she has) to be in fresh air, to feel sunshine or rain.

You seem to think that BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND how life could be meaningful to Terri, that life couldn't be meaningful to Terri or anyone else in her same condition. Yet, I tell you that because you have not walked in Terri's shoes, you cannot know for sure how Terri views her life. You seem to think that because it wouldn't be what you want, it couldn't be what Terri wants. And you seem to think that, because we are reasonably sure that none of us knows what Terri wants, that Michael's word is as good as it gets. I'm sorry. That's where I disagree with you. And if the law says that's okay, that's where I disagree with the law, too.

I have family in Florida. I was born and raised there. I go there to visit. I take my own family there from time to time. What happens in Terri's case is important to me, too. And I don't agree with the decision to show this girl the exit door, because of the reasons I gave above.

There is too much doubt about what caused Terri's collapse.

There's too much doubt about the motives of her "husband" and his fiancee.

There's too much doubt about whether or not Terri's guardian has filed the paperwork approving his guardianship of her the way it should have been.

There's too much doubt about whether Terri would want to live like this or not.

There's too much doubt about whether or not rehabilitation methods could/would work for Terri.

There's too much doubt as to whether Terri is PVS (did I fail to mention that it is misdiagnosed almost 50% of the time - medical fact...look it up).

IN SHORT, there's TOO MUCH DOUBT about almost every aspect of this case!

Wouldn't you agree that when we're talking about the finality of death these grave doubts should be put confirmed one way or the other? I do. The fact that Greer seems to think these issues are settled does not make that it a reality.

May God bless you and yours, for in the end, as in the beginning, we belong to Him.

[pickyourpoison]

bttt

[tutstar]

JUDGE W. DOUGLAS BAIRD ruled Terri's Law unconstitutional after telegraphing that he felt Terri's Law was unconstitutional before SCHIAVO V. BUSH WAS HEARD. I was just looking back through pings to try and find something and I read your post again and just realized what a bogus situation this was. Any prospective juror who said the same thing as Judge Baird would probably not be picked to serve on the jury. We have a hypocrist in action here!! Since he's a judge that disqualifies him from being barred from hearing a case even though he publicly showed bias. B-O-L-O-G-N-A

[Dante3]

Baird is far too biased and appears to have a conflict of interest (bribe? blackmail?) to be kept on this case.