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"Iraq Is Becoming Another Vietnam" by Bob Johnson
Free Republic Network ^ | 5-10-04 | Bob Johnson

Posted on 05/09/2004 9:40:22 AM PDT by Bob J

In their unholy war for power, liberals and Democrats along with their comrades in the media have begun the propaganda drumbeat to convince voters that Iraq is becoming this generations twenty-first century Vietnam.

If Iraq becomes another Vietnam, it won’t be for reasons proffered from the left. Vietnam may have been a low point in American history but it wasn’t a military failure, our troops won every major battle. The war was lost when the left successfully convinced the American public it wasn’t worth fighting, the cost was too high, and more importantly, our military was corrupt and could not be trusted to conduct operations in an acceptable manner. In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's “Vietnam Veterans Against the War”, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. Buoying enemy support while sapping the will of the American people, the left extended the Vietnam war resulting in significant additional loss of Vietnamese and American lives and the eventual bug out by America. Our military, which should have returned as defending heroes bringing democracy to the oppressed people of the world, were spat upon and called baby killers. Thank you J.F. Kerry, a suitable if not ignominious Democrat Presidential candidate.

The left used the excuse of Vietnam (a war initiated and escalated by Democrats) as a pretext for attacking and defeating the sitting Republican President, Richard Nixon. Watergate may have been the final straw that precipitated Nixon’s capitulation, but there is little doubt his saddle bags were full of ‘Nam hay when that pony’s spine snapped. The peace agreement aside, he was squarely in the sites of every commusocialist, sandal and beads flower child and sleazy politician jumping on their bandwagon to score a few points in the next popularity poll.

It begins as a drip but will soon turn into a torrent. Using their dominance and control of the media, the left has xeroxed their strategy against Nixon and is targeting Bush, conservatives and our military. Dozens of articles in major newspapers, speeches by democrat leaders and media exposé’s are questioning the “cost” of Iraq and America’s ability to shoulder that burden. Tabloid-like congressional investigations, in a time of war, ruthlessly attack our leaders flinging outrageous innuendo of corruption and immorality. Now, sensationalized revelations of fraternity pranks by military police against Muslim detainees will shamelessly be used by the left as evidence our military does not have the moral high ground to conduct this engagement.

The political left is utterly contemptible. Their sworn if not patriotic duty to govern in America’s best interests is as foreign to them as truth. To satiate their hatred for George Bush and consuming lust for power they will create out of sackcloth another Vietnam for this country and in the process crush American initiative, respect and honor while unnecessarily sacrificing additional American lives. Again.

Bob Johnson is a Board member of the Free Republic Network and President of RIGHTALK, America’s conservative radio Townhall.


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To: marron
Vietnam ushered in forty years of leftist control of two branches of our government, the legislature and the judiciary. The only reasons the pubs were able to hang on to most of the presidency was the Soviet threat. Carter won because he wasn't Nixon and Clinton won because he ran as a moderate and had good hair.



21 posted on 05/09/2004 10:41:54 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: Common Tator
"...The problem for the media is it ain't working..."

Ex-f'n-actly!

We don't have to listen to old, pompous windbag Walter Cronkite schelp his lefty crap anymore. No one thinks of TV, the press media as neutral unbiased observers anymore.

22 posted on 05/09/2004 10:43:09 AM PDT by Leisler (The Democrats. The nation's oldest organized crime family.)
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To: Bob J
The behavior of the media, the Democrat party and many RINO's is incomprehensable. Most of the dem hacks have issued statements that are seditous and serve no purpose other than lend aid to our enemies in time of war.

The loonies have taken over the DNC and have decided to ally with the Arab/Islamic cause in order to regain power in 2004. Socialism is making an all-out offensive to snuff out conservative beliefs once and forever.

23 posted on 05/09/2004 10:44:10 AM PDT by johnny7 (“ C'mon... put'm up... put'm up!” -The Cowardly Lion)
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To: MACVSOG68
I don't see much difference between the communists and Islamists. Today, we have communists posing as moderates. They obviously learned Americans don't like them so they'll perform a little sleight of hand to gain power.
24 posted on 05/09/2004 10:44:38 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: Leisler
No one thinks of TV, the press media as neutral unbiased observers anymore.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

25 posted on 05/09/2004 10:45:31 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: johnny7
The behavior of the media, the Democrat party and many RINO's is incomprehensable.

It's very comprehensible. They will use lies about Iraq and the war on terror to vault them to power.

26 posted on 05/09/2004 10:46:55 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: Bob J
[ "Iraq Is Becoming Another Vietnam"]

Its true.
But Vietnam was a war screwed completely up by democrats. Same here. So was Korea. When the goin gets hard, Democrats turn "French". Only reason for any political successes are when republicans cajole or "trick" democrats into staying just a little longer. But that was when republicans were not neocons(ex-democrats). For you can take the democrat from the party but its almost impossible to remove the democrat from the democrat.

All you end up with is a donkey with a big horn glued on its NOSE(RINO) trying to bray like an elephant. American politics has become donkeyfied trumpeting democracy. Politiical Elephants are almost exinct.
(/tusk)

27 posted on 05/09/2004 11:02:41 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Bob J; diotima; Bernard Marx; pacpam; hoppity; MayflowerMadam; capitan_refugio; Kviteseid; ...
Excellent commentary - I hope you sent this in to the LA Slimes. Diotima, can you ping all chapter leaders! Ventura County Freepers! This thread was written by our fearless leader of FRN.
28 posted on 05/09/2004 11:04:58 AM PDT by Rabid Dog (Join your FreeRepublic Chapter and make a difference!)
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To: Bob J
Even the media organ professional journals are full of articles on press political bias. Also you have to note that the the vast majority of Americans have

1. Never read a single non-fiction book.
2. Do not read newspapers. And of those that do, half only read the sports.
3. Do not watch television news shows, and if they do, are watching less liberal shows and more toward Fox.

I was with a very well educated, conservative and from a wealth family, friend. We were watching the Sunday talking heads and he was very upset with them, and concerned with the affect on Bush. I told him that the Sunday shows had less viewers than a British car wax infomercial at 3 in the morning and anyways was only watched by a incestuous cabal of policy wonks.
29 posted on 05/09/2004 11:07:48 AM PDT by Leisler (The Democrats. The nation's oldest organized crime family.)
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To: Leisler
I was only questioning your use of the phrase "No one...". I do believe some Americans view coverage as leaning one way or the other, whether it is CNN or Foxnews. The problem is they still watch Dan, Tom and Peter regardless of this notion.

For the masses, if you state lie often enough, it becomes the truth...even if one may consider it a lie.
30 posted on 05/09/2004 11:14:10 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: cksharks
Actually it is a lot worse now. Back then, there were few politicians who took a public stand against the Vietnam War - and the ones that did were not very popular, at least with the "silent majority" that Nixon claimed. Most protesters were college students, or our university professors, or organizations like the Quakers, quite legitimate opposition, as the war was being prosecuted in a horrible way, bleeding the late boomer generation away for a standoff, no intent to win. Let the young die seemed to be the will of Washington.

An army is not a very good neighbor - over time, even the most welcoming of the liberated populace will become tired of the corruption brought on by an occupying military force. Soldires are not police, not even as tolerant as rude "cops". They will shoot you dead without concerns of civil rights, or legal consequence, or any understanding of custom. A successful war must achieve victory as quickly as possible, with full commitment by the nation, and use of any weapon in the arsenal to overcome the enemy, and every protection afforded to the soldier in the field, and the sympathetic population. After victory, then establish a lawful, endemic police force, and separate the military force from the population.

Vietnam was prosecuted in an awful way. The Iraq war appears to be being prosecuted in a way which could be successful, if not derailed by the traitorous, self-serving leaches in this country.

31 posted on 05/09/2004 11:24:01 AM PDT by GregoryFul (who ya gonna call?)
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To: Bob J
I think we should remind the Left that Vietnam was their war and if a failure....theirs! It was also a great example of failure in the Democrat leadership over the military and our foreign affairs.

It took a Republican....Nixon to get us out of the quagmire.
32 posted on 05/09/2004 11:34:54 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: Bob J
=== And why had they become spineless?

Probably too many mixed interests.

For example, there are the strategically inexplicable wartime actions of Kissinger and and his aide-de-camp Haig (of Nixon's Narcotics Council).

I find their ceasing overflights of Burmese poppy fields and the CIA's cranking of the Golden Triangle OUT of China perplexing to say the least. Something doesn't add up. For I suspect that the connection between drug profits and the Soviet/Chicom terror network (as launched fullforce from the 1967 Tri-Continental Conference in Havana) were understood from the get-go. Opium Wars being nothing particularly new on the face of the earth.

Just like ill-timed public apologies by the President, actions like these by those at the head of our agencies and critical task forces tend to muddy the waters and send the wrong messages to exactly the wrong people.
33 posted on 05/09/2004 11:35:08 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Bob J
I don't see much difference between the communists and Islamists. Today, we have communists posing as moderates. They obviously learned Americans don't like them so they'll perform a little sleight of hand to gain power

Yes, I would never turn my back on them. The main difference, however, is that from the 40s to the 60s and 70s, the communists had infiltrated our society, our government, our schools, many churches, and the Democrat party. So far, the Islamists of today have not achieved any where near that kind of acceptance here in this country. True, they would love to get to where the communists were, but their form of ideology is not nearly as acceptable to Americans as the communist (socialist) ideology was then, and which, I fear, seems to be making a comeback.

34 posted on 05/09/2004 11:35:54 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Bob J
Well done, Bob.
35 posted on 05/09/2004 11:39:20 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Bob J
Excellent summary Bob!
36 posted on 05/09/2004 11:49:40 AM PDT by b4its2late (Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: Bob J
Socially and economically, I'm pretty well entrenched it the masses, and I think in a gut way they are on to the leftist lies. Anyways, just think of the braying about the economy, the lack of jobs, the prisoners in Cuba, Afghanistan going to be our Vietnam, and on and on and on that the enemy have thrown at Bush and tried to scare people. Not one has stuck, not one has worked. Heck the working stiffs I meet thought the Iraqis/Muslims/Arabs take your pick deserved a little slapping around. So, let the usual suspects of the media, EU weenies etc do their same old dance, it isn't going to matter, George doesn't care what they think. Matter of fact the goofs have been so wrong, so often for the last 4 years, I am almost giddy about the prospects for Iraq.
37 posted on 05/09/2004 11:49:40 AM PDT by Leisler (The Democrats. The nation's oldest organized crime family.)
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To: Bob J
And now they've got pictures.

To coin a phrase, just damn.

38 posted on 05/09/2004 11:55:15 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Bob J
Great analysis!

As I have stated before. I would have happily suffered the temporary loss of Constitutional rights to save the lives of tens of thousands of servicemen and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese.

Had the 1968 Tet offensive been reported factually and the Nation encouraged to rally behind our troops rather than abandon them it is quite possible IMO that their overwhelming victories could have forced peace by 1970. It's even possible that we would have continued material support of South Vietnam and helped them overcome the inevitable peace agreement violations by the Communists after most of the allied troops went home.

There is less campus unrest and no draft today. Otherwise it is exactly the same as the late 1960s and early 70s. Are we headed to the same fate? This war is for everything.

I suppose the recent "uprising" in Iraq was suppose to signal our press that it was the Islamists' Tet offensive, go with it! LBJ was visibly shaken and abandoned the troops way back then. As President he knew the truth about Tet but as a politician he was shaken because he knew the public's press-inspired impression was the end of him.

Now we have a "My Lai" in the judgment of the press and dem Rats. Maybe the Rats can make the "cover-up" into a Watergate. They'll try hard with a lot of help.

President Bush's reactions so far are weak IMO. Yet the press and dem Rats demand more kowtowing. Is this the beginning of the end of our sovereignty? Are our America's enemies within winning all the marbles this time?

Isn't it time we encourage the President to stop them cold? As in room temperature, if necessary. How serious does it have to get?

39 posted on 05/09/2004 12:05:16 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: cksharks
Bob I was talking to my wife this morning about this same issue. There were three things that caused us to lose Vietnam, stupid press,stupid politicians, and the stupid people who believed both of the above.

Right! But you forgot one more. It was also micro managed by the politicians in Washington instead of letting the battlefield generals fight and win the war.

Unfortunatley, I see a little of the same thing happening now. The Marines were ready to kick ass in Fallujah and the Army is ready to take care of Sadr in Najaf. In both cases, they are still playing political games back in Washington. Power means nothing if you do not have the will to use it. I don't think Sistani is ever going to come right out and say take care of this problem. Even he knows it has to be done. But if they do finally take this Sadr clown out, Sistani will squawk like hell for the locals while giving a wink and a nod in private. Just MHO.

40 posted on 05/09/2004 12:38:54 PM PDT by navyblue
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