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Decapitation Allegedly Shown In High Schools
The San Diego Channel ^ | 5/14/04 | The San Diego Channel

Posted on 05/14/2004 9:31:26 PM PDT by wagglebee

SAN DIEGO -- Two teachers are suspected of showing students video of American Nick Berg being decapitated, 10News reported.

A social studies teacher from Grossmont High School in El Cajon allegedly showed students Wednesday a portion of the video, pictures and audio of the beheading, Grossmont Unified School District Superintendent Terry Ryan told 10News.

Ryan said the teacher, Michael Smith, (pictured, far right), has been removed from the classroom pending a full investigation.

Smith, an El Cajon native, graduated from Grossmont High School in 1983.

Many of his students wore shirts Friday that read "Free Mr. Smith." Others, who also support Smith, said he is a very popular teacher, but they question his judgement.

An art teacher from El Capitan High School in Lakeside Thursday allegedly noticed a student watching the video and invited other students to come to the computer terminal and watch.

Ryan said the art teacher, Gina Grossini, (pictured, above, right), told the students, "That's what we get for being in a war we shouldn't be in."

Kenneth Blackington, a senior at El Capitan High School, said, "A couple of kids almost fainted during it, and another kid had to go to the bathroom and almost puked."

Grossini was also removed from the classroom.

An investigation has been launched and district officials met with the teachers Friday along with attorneys.

Counseling services have been made available for students.

"We have set aside counseling and we are making a provision at the school that any student who saw the video can have counseling. That is our first and foremost concern," Ryan told 10News.

Parents and school administrators have expressed deep concern, according to 10News.

The San Diego City School District sent a letter to all principals Friday morning advising them not to allow their students to see the video.

It read:

"We believe that the content of the video is not age-appropriate for students in grades K-12. We suggest other means for students in the upper grades to discuss this world event in age-appropriate formats."

The letter also told principals to make sure their school counselors can provide support for students who have seen the video, or who are disturbed by reports of the incident."

The video, posted earlier this week on an Islamic militant Web site, showed five men wearing headscarves and black ski masks, standing over Berg, a U.S. contractor whose body was found on a highway overpass in Baghdad on Saturday.

"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Susan," the man said on the video. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia."

After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and putting a large knife to his neck. A scream sounded as the men cut his head off, shouting "Allahu Akbar!" - "God is great." They then held the head out before the camera.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: berg; censorship; doublestandard; executionvideo; freespeech; hypocrisy; iraq; islamofascism; islamofascists; islamonazis; islamonazism; nea; nickberg; nickbergvideo; ourjobiniraq; publicschools; schools; taxdollarsatwork; teachersunion; whywefight; youpayforthis
These anti-war freaks are vile and disgusting. They will never realize that Bush and the military are fighting for their right to be anti-American.
1 posted on 05/14/2004 9:31:28 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Bet if Mr. Smith instead showed the photos and videos from Abu Ghraib he'd get a raise....


2 posted on 05/14/2004 9:35:30 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: wagglebee

Wait I thought I read somewhere on here that a fellow freeper whos wife was a teacher was going to show the video. Anybody here remember reading that?


3 posted on 05/14/2004 9:36:15 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually Voted for John Kerry before I voted against Him)
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To: wagglebee

Ohhhhma Gawd the teacher showed kids about to enter the real world, the truth?


4 posted on 05/14/2004 9:36:25 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: wagglebee

You know, I distinctly remember seeing and reading some pretty horrible things about the Holocaust while I was in school.

How is this really any different?


5 posted on 05/14/2004 9:37:45 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: aft_lizard

They showed the video to blame Bush for what happened.


6 posted on 05/14/2004 9:41:38 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: swilhelm73

Pictures of the Holocaust are shown to remind us of man's depravity so it won't happen again. Most of these teachers are showing these pictures to support an anti-war, anti-Bush agenda.


7 posted on 05/14/2004 9:42:50 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

I know according to this article, and its despicable. But I remember reading a post here about a freeper wanting to show it to his/her students.


8 posted on 05/14/2004 9:44:56 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually Voted for John Kerry before I voted against Him)
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To: aft_lizard

I agree absolutely in showing this to students to demonstrate the savagery of the enemy, but I think with this there should at least be some parental notification.


9 posted on 05/14/2004 9:46:40 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
THESE TWO MORONS ARE ALSO DISGUSTING...

10 posted on 05/14/2004 9:47:19 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: All
"That's what we get for being in a war we shouldn't be in."

This is why they showed the video, PERIOD.

11 posted on 05/14/2004 9:48:42 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: Smartass

Thanks for the tag line. I've been trying to remember that phrase for months.


12 posted on 05/14/2004 9:51:04 PM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: wagglebee
"Most of these teachers are showing these pictures to support an anti-war, anti-Bush agenda."

If that's the case, then it's very poor strategy. It would be like showing an abortion on video to support "choice". Watcing five hooded Muslims cutting the head off an innocent, helpless American civilian will not promote anti-American feelings. It can only have the effect of creating disgust and hatred for the Islamofacists.

13 posted on 05/14/2004 9:54:42 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: wagglebee

Geez it's not like these students were 8/9 yrs old Cripe I saw worse when I was in HS. this Super is a Wossie.


14 posted on 05/14/2004 10:10:59 PM PDT by markman46
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To: aft_lizard

"Wait I thought I read somewhere on here that a fellow freeper whos wife was a teacher was going to show the video. Anybody here remember reading that?"

Yep...It was me. My wife, and several other teachers at their high school, did not directly show the students the video. They provided a link and made viewing it the student's choice. Most...actually almost all...watched it and there has not been a peep of a complaint. Of course, this is Texas and not California...;-)

-Toonces


15 posted on 05/14/2004 10:17:07 PM PDT by Toonces T. Cat (The Token Republican in Deep South Texas...)
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To: Smartass

That image montage is so funny and yet so true.


16 posted on 05/14/2004 10:18:30 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (John Kerry: An old creep, with gray hair, trying to look like he's 30 years old.)
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To: wagglebee

"That's what we get for being in a war we shouldn't be in."

These people are such idiots. I wonder what American action she blamed 911 on? Yeah, maybe if we just roll over and do everything they say then everything will be o.k. Doesn't "Islam" mean "submission?"


17 posted on 05/14/2004 10:27:45 PM PDT by Avenger
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To: wagglebee
>>told the students, "That's what we get for being in a war we shouldn't be in."

At first, I thought he should have been given an award as an outstanding teacher, until I saw his commentary on his REASONS for SHOWING IT.

18 posted on 05/14/2004 10:39:21 PM PDT by Minute Hoarding Clock Watcher
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To: wagglebee
"That's what we get for being in a war we shouldn't be in."

9/11 is what we got for NOT being in a war that we should have been in.

19 posted on 05/14/2004 10:54:56 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: wagglebee

The teacher's commentary sounds a lot like what Michael Berg has said about his son's murder. They're both twisted commie fellow travelers, IMO.


20 posted on 05/14/2004 11:00:54 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: wagglebee

Those teachers need to try doing their little show and tell crapola on their next field trip to the marine base at pendelton... with a couple hundred recently graduated marines sitting in the audience.

ready. aim. fire.


21 posted on 05/14/2004 11:05:58 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: wagglebee

Well look, it seems to me that presentation is an important part of this.

Showing students the pictures of the reproductive system as it is shown in health text books is something that should be taught. OTOH, showing students Hustler Magazine closeups of hardcore porn is not.

Similarly, if somehow a teacher were to present the video of Berg as some sort of anti-American screed that is wrong. Showing this, or the people falling out of the WTC, or something similar as examples of the beasts we are fighting is something every school in America should show.

One cannot understand the WoT without understanding both the goals and the methods of Islamism.


22 posted on 05/14/2004 11:10:32 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: wagglebee
Ryan said the art teacher, Gina Grossini, (pictured, above, right), told the students, "That's what we get for being in a war we shouldn't be in."
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Counseling services have been made available for students.

Sounds like it's the teacher who needs counseling.

23 posted on 05/14/2004 11:16:42 PM PDT by giotto
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To: wagglebee
After 9-11 (and before any war) a teacher on the left coast burned a part of the American flag in a classroom and told the students not to tell.

I don't believe he was dismissed (I could be wrong). I think he taught 6th graders.

There is a double standard where the teachers' union is concerned.

The students need to know "why we fight". Sex education they get from tv.

Schools show Holocaust documentaries, I see no reason they should not learn that antisemites come in other colors other than white. The horrific attrocities they commit may use different tactics but the outcome is the same (death).

24 posted on 05/15/2004 1:46:02 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: wagglebee
How many times have we seen the Challenger explosion (and even the Columbia disentigrate)? How many times have we seen footage of JFK being killed?

This footage CAN be shown. They choose to bury it.

I have no doubt in my mind that some network (at least PBS) would have showed a video of Byrd's dragging death in Texas if one had been shot.

25 posted on 05/15/2004 1:49:51 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: EGPWS

>>>"That's what we get for being in a war we shouldn't be in."

>>9/11 is what we got for NOT being in a war that we should have been in.

BUMP!!!


26 posted on 05/15/2004 1:51:45 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: EGPWS
9/11 is what we got for NOT being in a war that we should have been in.

An outstanding reply to the pro-terrorist masquerading as peacenik crowd. I nominate you for quote of the day.

27 posted on 05/15/2004 3:12:55 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: wagglebee; Mr. Mojo
I think you're getting the two teachers confused.

There is no statement that I can see from the first teacher.
He may very well have tried to make a statement for support of the war, or our President, or against the terrorists.

It was the female teacher at the other highschool that made the antiwar statement.

28 posted on 05/15/2004 4:46:48 AM PDT by Guenevere (..., .Press on toward the goal!)
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To: wagglebee; All

didn't a freeper say they or their spouse was going to show the video in the high school where they teach?


29 posted on 05/15/2004 4:49:45 AM PDT by freedom moose (mooses like freedom and beer)
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To: Guenevere

There also is the matter of curriculum. I think that a social studies teacher showing it in class, as part of discussion of the war, would probably be legitimate, with fair warning to parents. An art teacher making a statement, while one kid is on the computer is not. Why are kids surfing the internet in art class instead of learning.


30 posted on 05/15/2004 4:55:33 AM PDT by sharkhawk (I want to go to St. Somewhere)
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To: sharkhawk
Why are kids surfing the internet in art class instead of learning.
good question.....been in a high school art class lately? things have changed in many schools

31 posted on 05/15/2004 5:01:12 AM PDT by freedom moose (mooses like freedom and beer)
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To: wagglebee
Counseling services have been made available for students.

????

I remember the counselor in my high school. He was a guidance counselor with the primary job of helping students find an appropriate collage or career field. We had our share of deaths, saw pictures of the holocaust but we never had counselors swarming over us. Now it seems routine.
What are these kids going to do after they graduate?

32 posted on 05/15/2004 5:04:56 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Avenger

Oligarchy - government by the few
Democracy - government by the mob
Republic - government by elected representatives
Theocracy - government by a priesthood
????????? - government by terrorists


33 posted on 05/15/2004 5:12:08 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: wagglebee
""That's what we get for being in a war we shouldn't be in.""

This, folks, is yer typical publick skool teecher. Yep. Wish I could say he's an aberration, but he's the norm.

34 posted on 05/15/2004 5:33:17 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: wagglebee

How is this any worse than showing all those Holocaust documentaries that gave me nightmares for weeks? I presume those are still part of a H.S. history curriculum.


35 posted on 05/15/2004 5:36:41 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: wagglebee

Hooray for those teachers. They're doing a public service, letting their students know what this upcoming generation is going to face over the next decades.


36 posted on 05/15/2004 9:34:00 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: R. Scott

A girl was badly burned in a house fire in my senior year. The principal talked to the senior class for about 15 minutes and we all went back to class.

So many new jobs for people other than educators since I went to school.


37 posted on 05/15/2004 9:35:10 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: wagglebee
""That's what we get for being in a war we shouldn't be in." "

Must be a mis-quote, I am sure the teacher meant

"That's what we get if we lose this war"

38 posted on 05/15/2004 10:31:27 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Vigilanteman
I nominate you for quote of the day.

I'm honored and graciously accept your nomination. ; > 0

39 posted on 05/15/2004 11:15:54 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: wagglebee
You mean some high school teachers showed that video? Are you serious? Maybe some showed images of the Abu Ghraib prisoner "You Can't Touch This" party.

An investigation needs to be launched.

40 posted on 05/15/2004 11:21:11 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: ladylib

I requested the numbers for our local school system employment a few months ago - number of teachers, total number of employees.
I was a bit shocked to see how many administration, janitorial and maintenance people there were - and a lot of the work is contracted out so does not show up.


41 posted on 05/15/2004 11:54:46 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

I read where 75 million people are involved some way in public education today -- school counsellors, pyschologists, social workers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, janitorial staff, teachers, assistant principals, principals, test preparers, text book publishers, school police, etc., etc.


42 posted on 05/15/2004 3:45:49 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: sharkhawk
As a computer technician for a high school and middle school this statement is going to be a problem come Monday for sure.

The San Diego City School District sent a letter to all principals Friday morning advising them not to allow their students to see the video.
It read:
"We believe that the content of the video is not age-appropriate for students in grades K-12. We suggest other means for students in the upper grades to discuss this world event in age-appropriate formats."

Since we all know that as soon as the kids find out that the "grownups" do not want them to see it, it then becomes most interesting to find.

About your wanting to know why an art student would be surfing the Internet in Art class. I have many students come to my lab from the Art\Animation class we have at the high school.
Mostly to look up pictures of a cartoon character or sports emblem that they want to draw and replicate for projects. A student last year produced an excellent 3 ft. x 2 ft. painting of a small picture of Minnie Mouse that she had printed off from my room.

43 posted on 05/15/2004 4:18:59 PM PDT by alexandria
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To: ladylib

Then we should have the cleanest, best maintained schools and the best educated kids in the world.


44 posted on 05/15/2004 5:50:53 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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