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Knowledge of Abuse May Go Higher Yet
The Washington Post ^ | May 16, 2004 | R. Jeffrey Smith

Posted on 05/15/2004 9:41:34 PM PDT by neverdem

Army intelligence officers suspected that a Syrian and admitted Jihadist who was detained at Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad knew about the illegal flow of money, arms and foreign fighters into Iraq. But he was smug, the officers said, and refused to talk. So last November, they devised a special plan for his interrogation, going beyond what Army rules normally allowed.

An Army colonel in charge of intelligence-gathering at the prison, spelling out the plan in a classified cable to the top U.S. military officer in Iraq, said interrogators would use a method known as "fear up harsh," which military documents said meant "significantly increasing the fear level in a security detainee." Their aim was to make the 31-year-old Syrian think his only hope in life was to talk, undermining his confidence in what they termed "the Allah factor."

According to the plan, interrogators needed the assistance of military police supervising his detention at the prison, who ordinarily play no role in interrogations under Army regulations. First, the interrogators were to throw chairs and tables in the man's presence at the prison and "invade his personal space."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armyintelligence; iraq; iraqipow; wishfulthinking
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1 posted on 05/15/2004 9:41:35 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
a Syrian and admitted Jihadist who was detained at Abu Ghraib

I have absolutely no problem with torturing a guy like this for info. .....by any means necessary.

2 posted on 05/15/2004 9:44:40 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: neverdem

I'm not about to register at Washington .comPost just to find out how this story ends. Does the Syrian reveal any valuable info as a result of the tactics?


3 posted on 05/15/2004 9:45:47 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: neverdem

I don't care about prisoner abuse anymore. I'm sick of it.


4 posted on 05/15/2004 9:49:07 PM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry (Shoot 'em in the desert and then you want have any prisoner abuse.)
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To: neverdem

I don't care.

Were I only to be accepted for service...I would make them home movies and show their parents, extended families, wives, children, and home towns how well their jihadies learned obedience and the New Testament.


5 posted on 05/15/2004 9:49:30 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: neverdem
and "invade his personal space."

This is from The Onion, right?

While I'm sure this sort of tactic will enrage the Chattering Class, folks in the red states will applaud it.

6 posted on 05/15/2004 9:51:52 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: neverdem

Can't wait until Big Media convicts Saddam of something. At this point, anything will do...


7 posted on 05/15/2004 9:52:47 PM PDT by Libloather (If it really comes down to it, I'm voting Miller Genuine Draft Light...)
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To: neverdem
It was nice while it lasted, but it's over.

Bush is a lame duck, get ready for the first Kerry administration.

8 posted on 05/15/2004 9:55:36 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: neverdem

SO WHAT?! Shut up already so we can get on with winning the war, ya morons. Your attempts to bring down the president are futile. I would bet a majority of people would approve of tough methods of interrogation against terrorist scum.


9 posted on 05/15/2004 10:01:54 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: quidnunc
Bush is a lame duck, get ready for the first Kerry administration.

Bull hockey, horsefeathers, baloney!

10 posted on 05/15/2004 10:04:32 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: neverdem

How the heck do we expect to win a war when these handwringers whine about something like this? Human Rights Watch and an American U. Prof doesn't like it? Tough. This stuff is becoming ridiculous.


11 posted on 05/15/2004 10:07:09 PM PDT by davidtalker
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To: neverdem

If it was a choice between one American life and a million humiliated, abused, tortured or dead suspects, then kill 'em all.

Having seen the results of terrorism first hand, both in Israel and here, there isn't anything I wouldn't sanction to protect my family and nation from these animals.


12 posted on 05/15/2004 10:09:35 PM PDT by ConservativeVoice
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To: arasina
arasina wrote: (Bush is a lame duck, get ready for the first Kerry administration.) Bull hockey, horsefeathers, baloney!

I wish it wasn't so, but the die is cast.

This is an orchestrated assault by the Dems which I suspect has been in the planning stage for a long time.

If they can afford to expend this kind of firepower this early what must they still have in reserve for after the Olympics?

There are just too many forces arrayed against Bush for him to survive.

Even the GOP members of Congress are jiumping ship to save their own skins.

13 posted on 05/15/2004 10:09:43 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: neverdem

Geneva conven. does not apply to non-uniformed terrorists.


14 posted on 05/15/2004 10:11:26 PM PDT by Waco
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To: quidnunc
Even the GOP members of Congress are jiumping ship to save their own skins.

I see you followed them right out the door. Vote for Hillary!

15 posted on 05/15/2004 10:12:49 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: neverdem
So last November, they devised a special plan for his interrogation, going beyond what Army rules normally allowed.

suggests a wider circle of involvement in aggressive and potentially abusive interrogations of Iraqi detainees,

the order indicates the abuses could instead have been an outgrowth of harsh treatment that had been approved.

Although no direct links have been found between the documented abuses and orders from Washington,

"it is imperative that interrogators be provided reasonable latitude to vary their approach," depending on a detainee's background, strengths, resistance, and other factors. [The order] also explicitly demands humane treatment and requires that any dogs present during the interrogations be muzzled.

The report itself is filled with weasel words -- "could", "potentially", etc.

In other words, the Post (and their friendly leakers)could find no documentation of command authorization to abuse the prisoners...but they'd like you to think they did.

Dishonest journalism, peddling an agenda...


16 posted on 05/15/2004 10:13:41 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: neverdem
" Their aim was to make the 31-year-old Syrian think his only hope in life was to talk, undermining his confidence in what they termed "the Allah factor."

I'm reading this as "they coated his swarthy ass with Oscar Meyer bacon.......

17 posted on 05/15/2004 10:16:01 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: quidnunc
"Bush is a lame duck, get ready for the first Kerry administration."

Well, now you've done it. What the hell are you thinking? I expect better from you;)

18 posted on 05/15/2004 10:19:05 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: neverdem
This is another bullsh*t article from the Washington Post. Under the Law of War, a foreigner, not in uniform, captured in the war zone, can be given a "drum head" trial and shot. General George Washington did exactly that to Major John Andre. (Andre asked the military honor of being shot, rather than hanged, but was refused.)

Just consider this a frontpage ad for John Kerry, manufactured by the Post. That way, this article makes sense.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Congressmen, Humorists, Burglars -- All of Us in the Trade."

20 posted on 05/15/2004 10:21:43 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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