Buchanan Asks, "What Do We Offer the World?"

Please keep up your fantasy life as a "racist hunter."

And when you can't find any racists handy, please just find a post which you can label "Racist."

That way you'll have lots of friends in your old age.

Another real big problem with PJB is that he deals with facts of history and applies no PC varnishes. That earns hatred, too

At least we agree on one thing.

Pat earns his hatred.

Gibson took his lumps for the same reason.

Funny, Gibson has called himself the cheif of all sinners.

Pat always saved those remarks for neocons, free traders and the Bush family.

So, what you miss is the censorship.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

And the difference between you and a Wahabbi cleric is what exactly?

First of all, it is not everyone's belief that some supernatural force called "Satan" causes evil.

Some of us think that it is a corporeal force named "Clinton". :-)

Your essays are well-written, convincing, clear, and sensible.

But as observed above, "intelligent posting has ceased."

The first casualty in any war is the truth...

The sad thing about pat is he had some good ideas. He was an excellent speech writer, where others could temper his toughts when they became extreme. He had many fans in those days.

I don't think he ever got over getting fired by Reagan (for the patsie worshippers, yes, he didn't get fired technically...he was simply moved to a windowless office and given no responsibilities until he took the hint and quit) or getting the conservative nod for president.

Look at his last campaign. He had double digit support when he started out, but as he became more desparate and appealled to every fringe, leftist group he could for votes, most of those who had admired him quickly walked away. They had seen the real pat buchanan and were disgusted at what they saw.

It's kind of a shame that he did this to himself. Ten years ago he was a conserative icon, today he is a hack footnote.

Actually, the truth makes pat the first casualty.

Poor you. Poor Pat.

Always being taken out of context.

I can agree that in ANY nation, the Government's most important interest is in promoting and maintaining right order.

It so happens that such interest is precisely congruent with the citizens' interests.

We must part if you wish to maintain that morality is NOT a part of right order--and if you wish to argue that one can 'unweave' the moral fabric successfully (for example, arguing that prostitution is not immoral.)

"America is a Christian country and to be precise a Protestant country."

I guess that leaves out Catholic Pat Buchanan.

So what? Or should we start to claim that America is an Islamo-Hindo-Shinto-Judeo-Christian country just to avoid anyone being left out?

Ten years ago he was a conserative icon, today he is awidely-published and read, highly-visible, engaging, well-informed, and articulate hack footnote.

Edited for accuracy.

Some others are merely hack posters.

Pat's lost it. I reject Islam's approach to sex. adultery. female circumcision.

May we assume that you stand WITH Lyndie England?

Hey, no complaints from me if Pat Buchanan is left out.

I'm liking your America better all the time.

It must have been a sad day for you when all those copies went onto the bargain tables then to Goodwill.

I guess it was only "neocons" who died on Black Tuesday.

What does the preemptive invasion of Iraq have to do with 9/11?

I cannot believe this.

That's OK. For some only a 2 X 4 between the eyes is effective.

There are some interesting historical comparisons that pat does bring to light that shouldn't be so easily joked about.

For instance, I've often wondered about the startling similarities between his presidential bid and the Hindenberg. Here was have too very large gas bags, both spectacularly going down in flames.

The only two exception seems to be that the Hindenberg had been successful before destroying itself.

The claim by "cultural conservatives" that morals are somehow universal is beyond being just plain wrong,... Some moral values are consistent among cultures, such as not committing murder, theft, assault, or fraud. They can better be described as "ethics".
"Moral" considerations involving eating, drinking, smoking, entertainment, attire, consensual sex, etc. vary from culture to culture.
In a free nation, it's best for government to butt out of those. -Eric

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I was 18 in '54, and considered the prevailing 'morality' highly hypocritical.

Many of the "moral laws" involving drinking, smoking, entertainment, attire, consensual sex, etc, were roundly ignored by most anyone that had a choice.

You're remembering a moral america that never existed.

Can you agree that in a free nation, it's best for government to butt out of 'laws on sin'?

ninenot wrote: I can agree that in ANY nation, the Government's most important interest is in promoting and maintaining right order.

In the USA we must honor our constitutions version of "right order", agreed?

It so happens that such interest is precisely congruent with the citizens' interests. We must part if you wish to maintain that morality is NOT a part of right order--and if you wish to argue that one can 'unweave' the moral fabric successfully.

I argue that 'laws' that infringe upon our rights to life, liberty, & property are unconstitutional.

(for example, arguing that prostitution is not immoral.)

Fine, you see it as immoral. --- But its not illegal, according to our constitution. -- Can you understand that distinction, and agree with that principle?

"The relevant comparison is between the movies produced by Hollywood during its Golden Age and the garbage spewed forth today."

And here's that garbage!

Oh the humanity!!!!

**All Time Top 301 Movies at the US Box Office**
	Released	Film Name	Total Box Office
1	1997	Titanic	$600,788,188
2	1977	Star Wars	$460,998,007
3	1982	ET: The Extra-Terrestrial	$431,197,000
4	1999	Star Wars: Phantom Menace	$431,088,297
5	2002	Spider-Man	$403,706,375
6	2003	Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King	$376,853,002
7	2004	Passion of the Christ, The	$368,894,610
8	1993	Jurassic Park	$357,067,947
9	2002	Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers	$340,478,898
10	2003	Finding Nemo	$339,714,367
11	1994	Forrest Gump	$329,693,974
12	2001	Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone	$317,557,891
13	2001	Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring	$313,837,577
14	1994	Lion King, The	$312,855,561
15	1983	Return of the Jedi	$309,205,079
16	1996	Independence Day	$306,169,255
17	2003	Pirates of the Caribbean	$305,411,224
18	2002	Star Wars: Attack of the Clones	$302,181,125
19	1999	Sixth Sense, The	$293,501,675
20	1980	Empire Strikes Back, The	$290,271,960
21	1990	Home Alone	$285,761,243
22	2003	Matrix Reloaded, The	$281,553,689
23	2001	Shrek	$267,652,016
24	2002	Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets	$261,987,880
25	2000	How the Grinch Stole Christmas	$260,031,035
26	1975	Jaws	$260,000,000
27	2001	Monsters, Inc.	$255,870,172
28	1989	Batman	$251,188,924
29	1997	Men in Black	$250,156,830
30	1999	Toy Story 2	$245,823,397
31	2003	Bruce Almighty	$242,701,167
32	1981	Raiders of the Lost Ark	$242,374,454
33	1996	Twister	$241,888,385
34	2002	My Big Fat Greek Wedding	$241,437,427
35	1984	Ghostbusters	$238,600,000
36	1984	Beverly Hills Cop	$234,760,478
37	2000	Cast Away	$233,630,478
38	1997	Lost World: Jurassic Park	$229,086,679
39	2002	Signs	$227,965,690
40	2001	Rush Hour 2	$226,138,454
41	1993	Mrs. Doubtfire	$219,195,051
42	1990	Ghost	$217,631,306
43	1992	Aladdin	$217,350,219
44	1998	Saving Private Ryan	$216,335,085
45	2000	Mission: Impossible 2	$215,409,889
46	2003	X2: X-Men United	$214,948,780
47	2002	Austin Powers in Goldmember	$213,079,163
48	1985	Back to the Future	$210,609,762
49	1999	Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me	$206,040,085
50	1991	Terminator 2: Judgement Day	$204,843,345
51	1973	Exorcist, The	$204,632,868
52	2001	Mummy Returns, The	$202,007,640
53	1998	Armageddon	$201,578,182
54	1939	Gone with the Wind	$198,655,278
55	2001	Pearl Harbor	$198,539,855
56	1989	Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade	$197,171,806
57	1995	Toy Story	$191,796,233
58	2002	Men in Black 2	$190,418,803
59	2000	Gladiator	$187,670,866
60	1937	Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs	$185,000,000
61	1990	Dances with Wolves	$184,208,842
62	1995	Batman Forever	$184,031,112
63	1993	Fugitive, The	$183,875,760
64	2001	Ocean's Eleven	$183,405,771
65	2000	What Women Want	$182,805,123
66	2000	Perfect Storm, The	$182,618,434
67	1978	Grease	$181,518,204
68	1997	Liar Liar	$181,410,615
69	2001	Jurassic Park 3	$181,166,115
70	1996	Mission: Impossible	$180,981,886
71	2001	Planet of the Apes (2001)	$180,011,740
72	1984	Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom	$179,870,271
73	1990	Pretty Woman	$178,406,268
74	1982	Tootsie	$177,200,000
75	1986	Top Gun	$176,781,728
76	1998	There's Something About Mary	$176,484,652
77	2002	Ice Age	$176,387,405
78	1986	Crocodile Dundee	$174,803,506
79	1992	Home Alone 2: Lost in New York	$173,585,516
80	2003	Elf	$173,381,405
81	1988	Rain Man	$172,825,435
82	1997	Air Force One	$172,688,056
83	1995	Apollo 13	$172,070,496
84	1999	Matrix, The	$171,479,930
85	1999	Tarzan	$171,091,819
86	2001	Beautiful Mind, A	$170,708,996
87	2002	Chicago	$170,684,505
88	1987	Three Men and a Baby	$167,780,960
89	2000	Meet the Parents	$166,225,040
90	1977	Close Encounters of the Third Kind	$166,000,000
91	1991	Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves	$165,493,908
92	2001	Hannibal	$165,091,986
93	2002	Catch Me if You Can	$164,606,800
94	1999	Big Daddy	$163,479,795
95	1965	Sound of Music, The	$163,000,000
96	1992	Batman Returns	$162,831,698
97	1998	Bug's Life, A	$162,798,565
98	1998	Waterboy, The	$161,491,646
99	2002	Die Another Day	$160,932,247
100	1973	Sting, The	$159,616,327
101	1993	Firm, The	$158,348,367
102	2000	X-Men	$157,299,717
103	2000	Scary Movie	$157,019,771
104	1987	Fatal Attraction	$156,645,693
105	1999	Mummy, The	$155,385,488
106	2000	What Lies Beneath	$155,370,362
107	1988	Who Framed Roger Rabbit?	$154,112,492
108	1996	Jerry Maguire	$153,952,592
109	1987	Beverly Hills Cop 2	$153,665,036
110	2002	Scooby-Doo	$153,288,182
111	1961	101 Dalmatians, The	$153,000,000
112	1999	Runaway Bride	$152,149,590
113	1985	Rambo: First Blood Part 2	$150,415,432
114	2003	Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines	$150,358,296
115	1984	Gremlins	$148,168,459
116	1997	As Good as it Gets	$147,666,088
117	1989	Lethal Weapon 2	$147,253,986
118	1994	True Lies	$146,282,411
119	1991	Beauty and the Beast	$145,863,363
120	2002	Lilo & Stitch	$145,771,527
121	2001	American Pie 2	$145,096,820
122	1994	Santa Clause, The	$144,833,357
123	1992	Lethal Weapon 3	$144,731,527
124	2001	Fast and the Furious, The	$144,512,310
125	1998	Doctor Dolittle	$144,156,609
126	2002	xXx	$141,930,000
127	1967	Jungle Book, The	$141,843,000
128	1978	National Lampoon's Animal House	$141,600,000
129	1995	Pocahontas	$141,579,773
130	1992	Few Good Men, A	$141,340,178
131	1998	Rush Hour	$141,186,864
132	1999	Blair Witch Project, The	$140,539,099
133	1998	Deep Impact	$140,464,664
134	1989	Look Who's Talking	$140,088,813
135	1999	Stuart Little	$140,015,224
136	1975	Rocky Horror Picture Show, The	$139,876,417
137	1992	Sister Act	$139,605,150
138	1977	Saturday Night Fever	$139,486,124
139	2003	Matrix Revolutions, The	$139,259,759
140	2002	Santa Clause 2, The	$139,225,854
141	2003	Cheaper by the Dozen	$138,562,501
142	2003	Bad Boys II	$138,540,870
143	1997	Good Will Hunting	$138,433,435
144	1986	Platoon	$137,963,328
145	2000	Dinosaur	$137,748,063
146	1999	Green Mile, The	$136,801,374
147	1996	Ransom	$136,492,681
148	1998	Godzilla	$136,314,294
149	1996	101 Dalmatians	$136,189,294
150	2003	Anger Management	$135,560,942
151	1990	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles	$135,265,915
152	1998	Patch Adams	$135,041,968
153	1972	Godfather, The	$134,966,411
154	1978	Superman	$134,218,018
155	1996	Rock, The	$134,069,511
156	2003	Bringing Down the House	$132,675,402
157	2003	Hulk	$132,160,047
158	2002	Minority Report	$132,014,112
159	2001	Lara Croft: Tomb Raider	$131,144,183
160	1991	Silence of the Lambs, The	$130,726,716
161	1989	Honey I Shrunk the Kids	$130,724,172
162	1994	Flintstones, The	$130,531,208
163	1998	Lethal Weapon 4	$130,444,603
164	1999	American Beauty	$130,058,047
165	1982	Officer and a Gentleman, An	$129,795,554
166	2002	Ring, The	$129,094,024
167	1996	Nutty Professor, The	$128,814,019
168	1988	Coming to America	$128,152,301
169	2000	Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon	$128,067,808
170	1985	Rocky IV	$127,873,716
171	2002	Sweet Home Alabama	$127,214,072
172	1994	Dumb and Dumber	$127,175,374
173	2003	2 Fast 2 Furious	$127,120,058
174	1999	World is Not Enough, The	$126,930,660
175	1997	My Best Friend's Wedding	$126,813,153
176	1977	Smokey and the Bandit	$126,737,428
177	1993	Sleepless in Seattle	$126,680,884
178	2002	Mr. Deeds	$126,203,320
179	1998	Truman Show, The	$125,618,201
180	2000	Erin Brockovich	$125,548,685
181	2000	Charlie's Angels	$125,305,545
182	1997	Tomorrow Never Dies	$125,304,276
183	1982	Rocky 3	$125,049,125
184	2003	Something's Gotta Give	$124,685,242
185	2000	Traffic	$124,107,476
186	1996	Birdcage, The	$124,060,553
187	1991	City Slickers	$124,033,791
188	1987	Good Morning Vietnam	$123,922,370
189	2000	Nutty Professor II: The Klumps	$123,307,945
190	1994	Clear and Present Danger	$122,012,656
191	1992	Bodyguard, The	$121,945,720
192	1992	Wayne's World	$121,697,323
193	2002	Bourne Identity, The	$121,468,960
194	1994	Speed	$121,248,145
195	1990	Hunt for Red October, The	$120,709,866
196	1998	Mulan	$120,620,254
197	2003	Seabiscuit	$120,197,488
198	1994	Mask, The	$119,920,129
199	1991	Hook	$119,654,823
200	2004	50 First Dates	$119,614,568
201	1974	Blazing Saddles	$119,500,000
202	1990	Total Recall	$119,394,839
203	1981	On Golden Pond	$119,285,432
204	2002	Sum of All Fears, The	$118,471,320
205	1989	Back to the Future II	$118,450,002
206	1992	Basic Instinct	$117,727,224
207	2000	Big Momma's House	$117,559,438
208	1990	Die Hard 2: Die Harder	$117,323,878
209	1976	Rocky	$117,235,147
210	2003	S.W.A.T.	$116,877,597
211	1999	Double Jeopardy	$116,735,231
212	2002	8 Mile	$116,724,075
213	1999	Notting Hill	$116,089,678
214	1974	Towering Inferno	$116,000,000
215	1998	You've Got Mail	$115,821,495
216	2000	Remember the Titans	$115,648,585
217	1986	Karate Kid, Part 2, The	$115,103,979
218	1973	American Graffiti	$115,000,000
219	1988	Big	$114,968,774
220	1999	Wild, Wild West, The	$113,805,681
221	1991	Addams Family, The	$113,502,246
222	2000	Patriot, The	$113,330,342
223	2001	Doctor Dolittle 2	$112,950,721
224	2001	Spy Kids	$112,692,062
225	1989	Ghostbusters 2	$112,494,738
226	1997	Face/Off	$112,276,146
227	1975	One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest	$112,000,000
228	1988	Twins	$111,936,388
229	2003	Spy Kids 3-D: Game Over	$111,760,631
230	1965	Doctor Zhivago	$111,721,000
231	1998	Enemy of the State	$111,549,836
232	1989	Little Mermaid, The	$111,543,479
233	2003	Last Samurai, The	$111,110,575
234	2003	Freaky Friday	$110,222,438
235	2003	Scary Movie 3	$110,000,082
236	1986	Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home	$109,713,132
237	1982	Porky's	$109,492,484
238	1988	Crocodile Dundee 2	$109,306,210
239	1996	Time to Kill, A	$108,766,007
240	2001	Black Hawk Down	$108,638,745
241	1983	Terms of Endearment	$108,423,489
242	1995	Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls	$108,360,063
243	2001	Princess Diaries, The	$108,244,774
244	1981	Superman II	$108,185,706
245	1994	Pulp Fiction	$107,928,762
246	1992	League of Their Own, A	$107,533,925
247	1997	Batman & Robin	$107,325,195
248	1999	Analyze This	$106,885,658
249	2000	Miss Congeniality	$106,807,667
250	2000	Chicken Run	$106,793,915
251	1993	Indecent Proposal	$106,614,059
252	1989	Driving Miss Daisy	$106,593,296
253	1995	Goldeneye	$106,429,941
254	1970	Love Story	$106,397,186
255	1979	Kramer vs. Kramer	$106,260,000
256	2003	Italian Job, The (2003)	$106,126,012
257	2003	How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days	$105,807,520
258	1996	The First Wives Club	$105,489,203
259	1994	Interview with the Vampire	$105,264,608
260	1997	George Of The Jungle	$105,263,257
261	1996	Phenomenon	$104,636,382
262	1967	Graduate, The	$104,397,102
263	2003	American Wedding	$104,354,205
264	1978	Every Which Way but Loose	$104,268,727
265	2003	Daddy Day Care	$104,148,781
266	2002	Road to Perdition, The	$104,054,514
267	1990	Dick Tracy	$103,738,726
268	1980	9 to 5	$103,290,500
269	1996	Scream	$103,046,663
270	1978	Jaws 2	$102,922,000
271	1942	Bambi	$102,797,000
272	1999	General's Daughter, The	$102,705,852
273	2003	Daredevil	$102,543,518
274	1969	Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid	$102,308,900
275	1964	Mary Poppins	$102,300,000
276	1993	In the Line of Fire	$102,243,874
277	1999	American Pie	$101,800,948
278	2000	Gone in 60 Seconds	$101,643,008
279	1994	Maverick	$101,631,272
280	1991	Sleeping with the Enemy	$101,599,005
281	1998	Prince of Egypt	$101,413,188
282	1997	Scream 2	$101,363,301
283	1980	Stir Crazy	$101,300,000
284	1996	Eraser	$101,295,562
285	1992	Unforgiven	$101,157,447
286	1997	Con Air	$101,117,573
287	1999	Sleepy Hollow	$101,068,340
288	2003	Cat in the Hat, The	$101,018,283
289	1997	Contact	$100,920,329
290	2003	Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle	$100,814,328
291	1993	Pelican Brief, The	$100,768,056
292	2001	Vanilla Sky	$100,614,858
293	1998	Rugrats Movie, The	$100,494,685
294	1970	Airport	$100,489,150
295	1995	Jumanji	$100,458,310
296	1995	Casper	$100,328,194
297	1998	Shakespeare in Love	$100,317,794
298	1996	Hunchback of Notre Dame, The	$100,138,851
299	1995	Se7en	$100,125,643
300	1989	Parenthood	$100,047,830
301	1995	Die Hard: With a Vengeance	$100,012,499