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Buchanan Asks, "What Do We Offer the World?"
WND.com ^ | 05-19-04 | Buchanan, Patrick J.

Posted on 05/19/2004 2:54:18 AM PDT by Theodore R.

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To: CWOJackson

I'm sure next they'll say one can easily infer that all who refuse to follow their particular brand of Christinity should be relegated to 2nd class status, even though the Constitution doesn't say that. It's like that Western Hemisphere thing they pointed out.


501 posted on 05/19/2004 3:08:30 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

"If not us, then who? We are the best ones to liberate Iraq."

great post. :)


502 posted on 05/19/2004 3:10:52 PM PDT by proud American in Canada ("The only important lesson of Vietnam is this: Democrats lose wars." -- Ann Coulter, Treason)
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To: Bella_Bru
"And because they both wish to follow in Jesus's footsteps, they both live like Jews, right? "

Right, they live like Jesus whose kingdom was not of this world. He did not build an army to conquer for land. He chose 12 men, including a traitor, to teach truth to all nations.

503 posted on 05/19/2004 3:12:20 PM PDT by ex-snook (Neocon Chickenhawk for War like Liberal Cuckoo for Welfare. Both freeload.)
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To: CWOJackson; All
"Nation-building and imposing democracy are not proper to military ventures."

Defending our nation is and our troops are doing just that.

If you believe that, you should be applauding Pat Buchanan, for nailing Richard Perle on a really stupid effort to make that job much, much harder. Can anyone imagine anything more offensive to any self-respecting people on the face of the earth, than for some foreign crack-pot to try to stir up division between their men and women?

Pat has made his point, here, and all the efforts to distract attention from the real point will not convince anyone who is not here simply because they do not like Pat. In order not to distract attention from the real point, or fan antagonisms among friends, I have refrained from responding to scores of tangental arguments, from about a dozen Buchanan detractors. I only wish that you all would get over parroting old smears, and actually address the real issues.

William Flax

504 posted on 05/19/2004 3:13:06 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: ex-snook
Right, they live like Jesus whose kingdom was not of this world.

Jesus was a Jew. You know....circumcision, keeping the Sabbath, kashrut.....Not the easy way out.

505 posted on 05/19/2004 3:13:24 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: Bella_Bru
Why bother with the Constitution...pat is so much greater then that document.

I'll never forget one interview I read with pat. The author prefixed with describing how when he was greated at the front door the first thing he saw was a life sized bust of buchanan. He thought it a little odd.

506 posted on 05/19/2004 3:13:28 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Ohioan

pat and his very inflated ego are the issue...


507 posted on 05/19/2004 3:14:28 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Ohioan
I only wish that you all would get over parroting old smears, and actually address the real issues.

From your keyboard to God's ear--but it won't happen in THIS lifetime.

508 posted on 05/19/2004 3:17:11 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

LOL! Yes, pointing out pat's problems will continue through his lifetime. pat should simply quietly slip away and live off his campaign money.


509 posted on 05/19/2004 3:18:57 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: ninenot
racists on this thread immediately concluded that I was a racist.

Oh, poor you.

All you said was that "segregation is no big deal."

Let's try changing a few things in your sentence and see what conclusions we would draw about anyone else:

Hillary Clinton on the Constitution, "That piece of paper is no big deal."
Ted Kennedy, "The Second Amendment is no big deal."
John Kerry, "Fifty cent gas tax is no big deal."
Pat Buchanan, "The Holocaust was no big deal."
John Ashcroft on the Patriot Act, "Civil rights are no big deal."
Trent Lott, "Slavery was no big deal."

If any of those people had said those things as you did, they would deserve every bit of grief they received.

So don't ask us to feel sorry for you. And don't accuse us of racism by saying, "But everybody else does it."

510 posted on 05/19/2004 3:21:37 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: hchutch; Long Cut

As far as I am concerned, today's America is a net improvement over the older days. I'll gladly deal with Howard Stern's radio show, Britney french-kissing Madonna, and some of the other problems we have today as opposed to the stuff America tolerated in the past - like the KKK, segregation/Jim Crow, and mob violence based on religious intolerance.
377 hchutch

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Agree totally. These homegrown Taliban are as distasteful as the real ones. Moreso because they apparently do not see any connection between their relative forms of opression.
Conservatives are forever digging themselves out from under the slime of these jerks.
389 posted on 05/19/2004 12:44:59 PM PDT by Long Cut

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Well put gentlemen..


511 posted on 05/19/2004 3:21:42 PM PDT by tpaine ("The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." -- Solzhenitsyn)
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To: CWOJackson; All
Pat has made a logical attack upon a gross deviation from traditional foreign policy values. That deviation is helping our enemies recruit. That deviation, threatens to embroil America in a virtually endless war, with virtually endless occupations. That, not the author, is the issue.

For the response I made to the Buchanan smearers in 1999, see Fair Play For Pat Buchanan. For a specific address to the issues in Iraq, however, see Iraq. For a suggestion as to how the War On Terror may be successfully concluded, see War 2001!.

512 posted on 05/19/2004 3:22:11 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
"Pat has made his point, here, and all the efforts to distract attention from the real point will not convince anyone who is not here simply because they do not like Pat. "

Thanks, intelligent posting has ceased.

513 posted on 05/19/2004 3:23:47 PM PDT by ex-snook (Neocon Chickenhawk for War like Liberal Cuckoo for Welfare. Both freeload.)
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To: Ohioan

Logic...buchanan? Those two words don't go together well at all. As for pat's ideas on the War on Terror...those are the greatest laugh of all. Almost as funny as him leaving up his presidental campaign website.


514 posted on 05/19/2004 3:23:48 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: ex-snook

Yes, it ceased as soon as it started quoting buchanan.


515 posted on 05/19/2004 3:24:25 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
LOL! Yes, pointing out pat's problems will continue through his lifetime. pat should simply quietly slip away and live off his campaign money.

He can live very well off his excellent bestselling books like A Republic, Not an Empire or The Death of the West

516 posted on 05/19/2004 3:25:34 PM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: A. Pole

Of course, proving that old adage is true, you sure can fool some people all the time.


517 posted on 05/19/2004 3:27:24 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: ex-snook

Many of us detest Pat Buchanan because, he made a name for himself as a former spokesman for conservative values but turned and became an angry populist who has a problem with Jews and their "amen corner." [evangelical Christians]


518 posted on 05/19/2004 3:52:16 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: ninenot
The claim by "cultural conservatives" that morals are somehow universal is beyond being just plain wrong,...
Some moral values are consistent among cultures, such as not committing murder, theft, assault, or fraud. They can better be described as "ethics".

"Moral" considerations involving eating, drinking, smoking, entertainment, attire, consensual sex, etc. vary from culture to culture.

In a free nation, it's best for government to butt out of those.
-Eric

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Aquinasfan wrote:
This looks like a contradiction to me.
All you've done is called "morals," "ethics." In reality, there is no difference.

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You ignored his explanation of his view on ethics vs morals.
-- Hardly an ethical way to make a rebuttal, is it?
258 tpaine

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Certainly not an immoral method.
Erocc does not share the concept of morality which was prevalent in this country in 1954.
He's part of the problem PJB discusses.
329 9not

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I was 18 in '54, and considered the prevailing 'morality' highly hypocritical.
Many of the "moral laws" involving drinking, smoking, entertainment, attire, consensual sex, etc, were roundly ignored by most anyone that had a choice.

You're remembering a moral america that never existed.
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AquinasFan looked up the words "morals" and "ethics."
It would benefit you to do the same.
499 -9not-

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At #329, definitions weren't your point.

Can you comment on my rebuttal, or do you insist upon playing idiotic wordgames?

Can you agree that in a free nation, it's best for government to butt out of 'laws on sin'?
519 posted on 05/19/2004 3:52:50 PM PDT by tpaine ("The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." -- Solzhenitsyn)
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To: CWOJackson
"America is a Christian country and to be precise a Protestant country."

I guess that leaves out Catholic Pat Buchanan.

520 posted on 05/19/2004 3:54:14 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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